| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. 10:09 - Mar 28 with 25953 views | Discodroids |
apologies i couldnt sort out the colours on this. i just thought i should put the 3 main parties first. i know ive missed respect among other s, just couldnt fit them in so no bias intended.
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:50 - Mar 30 with 1480 views | Hunterhoop |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:37 - Mar 30 by Discodroids |
clive anderson ..the spear of destiny.
excellent clive . i did post the above back in november .
as for not knowing any other ukip polices outside of immigration a cursory glance on the information superhighway will glean all the information one requires . even for those that wear cheap lonsdale leisure wear and enjoy the early bird at the harvester and love bernard manning.
or perhaps by ,you know , watching the tv, listening to the radio, reading newspapers or 'media' outlets that provide this kind of thing.News.
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Oh c'mon, Disco.
Don't make cheap shots. As I said, anyone who is clear on UKIP's policies across the spectrum and wants to vote UKIP is fine by me. I just do not accept that people are clear and UKIP themselves don't come across with a united voice on this. Even Farage said that he knew they hadn't covered off their stance on most policies but "all would be clear" when they issued their manifesto.
Secondly, that stat is so phenomenally misleading when you consider native Britons made a negative contribution of £591m according to those figures. All demographics are likely to have made negative contributions given we went into a huge recession in the last 3 years of that study.
Besides, the study themselves, who you quote, summed it up by saying "our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigration cohorts, particularly those arriving from the EU", who the report says made a positive contribution.
And if you accept that, surely you'd want to continue EU immigration and just focus on non-EU migration limits, which is what everyone is already proposing.
And, anyway, let's not turn this into another LFW immigration debate. That's been done to death. It was quite interesting before and I don't think I was being unfair on UKIP or UKIP supporters at all. |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:52 - Mar 30 with 1471 views | Hunterhoop |
READ MY POSTS PROPERLY, MAN!
I am absolutely NOT saying "how could you be so stupid as to vote for them". I said, how could people decide they would vote for them before they knew what they (not just Farage) stood for on a number of issues. Even he said this would only be clearer when they issued their manifesto.
If you agree with them, absolutely fine. I just worry many UKIP fans are voting for them purely on one policy, which is a little irresponsible in my eyes. | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:53 - Mar 30 with 1448 views | daveB |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:34 - Mar 30 by Hunterhoop |
Oh, c'mon, Clive; they are different things.
What you're talking about is saying one thing (or standing for an ideology) but doing another. Don't get me wrong, that is bad. But if I vote for a party and they so that I can hold them accountable at the next election as is my democratic right.
However, UKIP, to my mind anyway, simply haven't told everyone what their plans are for key areas of society. We simply don't know! How can you vote for a party to run the country when you don't know even what they plan to do on several major issues?! It can only mean you're voting purely on what you do know about, which in this case is immigration and the EU. Bit narrow for my liking.
Yes, rarely does a governing party do everything they say in their manifesto. But most of us acknowledge things happen, challenges occur, situations change and decisions, which may be counter to your ideal plan, have to be made. But before people vote or decide who to cite for, I think parties should be clear on what their "ideal plan" for when they govern is. UKIP aren't clear themselves and the public certainly aren't. As such I think it's a tad irresponsible saying "I'm voting UKIP" without know a tad more about what they stand for and what they plan to do. |
UKIP have been quite clever in making it clear they have no chance of being in power and Farage has said several times he won't be prime minister so doesn't matter what most of their policies are but vote for them and get enough MP's through the door in a coalition they can push the immigration and EU ideas they have. With ISIS on the rise and immigrants blamed for most things they have a very good chance to making a big impact |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:55 - Mar 30 with 1440 views | paulparker |
Having not voted for the last 20 odd years , i to will be voting UKIP come may
why anyone would want to vote Labour again after the huge balls up they made last time is a mystery ,
Blair, Brown, Madelson & cronies got us into huge debt the likes of which our kids generation will have to carry, they got us into a phony war based on lies , (see Dr Kelly)
sold all our gold reserves off for peanuts, and opened the doors to all and sundry to enter the country, Crime was soft, it was a shambles and do you really think Milliband, ed Balls & co are the people to take us forward , no chance, i would generally worry for this countrys future under thme 2
on the other hand i wouldnt vote tory either , i recall the days my poor old man struggled to pay a mtg off at 15% in the early ninties , he was on a verge of a breakdown at the time trying to keep a roof over his head ,& ive never forgiven the tories for that
so UKIP maybe a protest vote , and some may sneer and call it racist
but come may thats where mine and most of the fed up downtrodden nations working class will be voting |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:07 - Mar 30 with 1432 views | Discodroids |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:50 - Mar 30 by Hunterhoop |
Oh c'mon, Disco.
Don't make cheap shots. As I said, anyone who is clear on UKIP's policies across the spectrum and wants to vote UKIP is fine by me. I just do not accept that people are clear and UKIP themselves don't come across with a united voice on this. Even Farage said that he knew they hadn't covered off their stance on most policies but "all would be clear" when they issued their manifesto.
Secondly, that stat is so phenomenally misleading when you consider native Britons made a negative contribution of £591m according to those figures. All demographics are likely to have made negative contributions given we went into a huge recession in the last 3 years of that study.
Besides, the study themselves, who you quote, summed it up by saying "our new analysis draws a positive picture of the overall fiscal contribution made by recent immigration cohorts, particularly those arriving from the EU", who the report says made a positive contribution.
And if you accept that, surely you'd want to continue EU immigration and just focus on non-EU migration limits, which is what everyone is already proposing.
And, anyway, let's not turn this into another LFW immigration debate. That's been done to death. It was quite interesting before and I don't think I was being unfair on UKIP or UKIP supporters at all. |
Hunter i am clear on Ukips polices. crystal clear. on policing , the NHS, defence and education etc.
just because my granded red ,ted who lost his hearing to the printing presses of the daily mirror For 4o years was a labour party member as was my old man, doesent mean i will follow them like a world war z quisling for a party that dosent give a flyng fk about the working classes.
wes all followed who our dads and grandads voted for in the east end,it was the done thing. labour were that shield of righteousness. no more..the east ends still a shithole , just filled with people from a different country. vote labour.never.never.never.
does ukip support the working class ?. probably not, but my life, experiances and 30+years in the east end and 3 as a probation officer ,certainly shape my beliefs and not what some lumpen bifter tells me from millbank.
ukip is closer to my dna than any other party. and i'll vote with a song in my heart for the man ive been waiting for to represent the lost peoples of the east end, yes a crombie wearing public school boy called nigel.
the cheap shots didnt start from ukip supporters in this thread . just cause a poxy poll on a message board gives em bollock ache!
i agree with you immigration has been done to death but if if you get called racist by another poster, the word and topic of immigration seems to be a by product of that charge
and i do think nigel is being a bit heavy handed with his shooting stick on foreign aid. id happily leave it a £6-8 billion year,opposed to the current 12 billion , thus saving £4-6 billion.
with a fair wind that should save more than the £1.89 that labour will save by stopping judges accomodation costs when on service at trial ..
and by the way john barnes hasnt got a job cause he's black , i blame the lattice work leather jacket he wore on room 101.
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:12 - Mar 30 with 1411 views | BasingstokeR |
That link to the Telegraph unless I'm reading it incorrectly is agreeing with Hunter's point not the opposite?? Its saying immigration from "inside" the EU has helped the economy; but immigration from "outside" the EU - has taken away from the economy????
"The major academic study also found, however, that recent immigration from Europe — driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European — gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period."
"Immigrants from within the EEA — which is the European Union plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - took out more than they paid in during only seven of the 17 years."
"The native population made a negative contribution in 12 years during the period, running to £591 billion in total" |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:22 - Mar 30 with 1389 views | DWQPR |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 10:17 - Mar 30 by connell10 |
well if you do vote for that bunch of right wing nutters you are stupid and ignorant! |
I suppose as stupid and ignorant as people posting on Fantasy Island for many years, don't you think Connell? |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:23 - Mar 30 with 1386 views | TacticalR |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 09:47 - Mar 30 by AgedR |
People are more likely to vote for UKIP if they are repeatedly told that they would be stupid and ignorant to do so.
In my opinion the left's patronising approach to UKIP has been totally wrong. Respect them, scrutinise policies not personalities or prejudices and let people make there own minds up. |
So people are voting UKIP because they're being told it's stupid to vote UKIP?
In that case I can get rich by going round telling people it's stupid to give me money.  |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:37 - Mar 30 with 1343 views | TheBlob |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:23 - Mar 30 by TacticalR |
So people are voting UKIP because they're being told it's stupid to vote UKIP?
In that case I can get rich by going round telling people it's stupid to give me money. |
Doesn't work.
Lend us a tenner. |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:41 - Mar 30 with 1337 views | Match82 |
Could be worse, there's a chance they will be electing another fcking Bush over here. |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:44 - Mar 30 with 1331 views | stowmarketrange |
Of course the Tories would've stood by and not entered an illegal war wouldn't they?
And if the deficit was all Labour's fault how come the rest of the world suffered from economic difficulties as well?And some still are. |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:45 - Mar 30 with 1327 views | connell10 |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:22 - Mar 30 by DWQPR |
I suppose as stupid and ignorant as people posting on Fantasy Island for many years, don't you think Connell? |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:58 - Mar 30 with 1305 views | stevec |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:34 - Mar 30 by Hunterhoop |
Oh, c'mon, Clive; they are different things.
What you're talking about is saying one thing (or standing for an ideology) but doing another. Don't get me wrong, that is bad. But if I vote for a party and they so that I can hold them accountable at the next election as is my democratic right.
However, UKIP, to my mind anyway, simply haven't told everyone what their plans are for key areas of society. We simply don't know! How can you vote for a party to run the country when you don't know even what they plan to do on several major issues?! It can only mean you're voting purely on what you do know about, which in this case is immigration and the EU. Bit narrow for my liking.
Yes, rarely does a governing party do everything they say in their manifesto. But most of us acknowledge things happen, challenges occur, situations change and decisions, which may be counter to your ideal plan, have to be made. But before people vote or decide who to cite for, I think parties should be clear on what their "ideal plan" for when they govern is. UKIP aren't clear themselves and the public certainly aren't. As such I think it's a tad irresponsible saying "I'm voting UKIP" without know a tad more about what they stand for and what they plan to do. |
The thing is Hunterhoop, people don't know UKIP policy because they're too idle to read their policy documents.
I don't know what it is with the left but whilst they love their sound bites and slurs they seem incapable of digesting anything that requires a bit of reading. Not accusing you personally but a lot of what comes from that side does seem to indicate that.
For anyone who seems to think UKIP are a one issue party, as Disco said, read up on them. Failing that, spend 50 minutes going through this - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/
I was surprised, when confronted with policy, rather than the party behind it, just how UKIP represents my beliefs much more than I previously imagined. |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:59 - Mar 30 with 1302 views | DWQPR |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:45 - Mar 30 by connell10 |
fock you and the horse you rode in on me old mucker! |
Not a very pleasant reply, very Fantasy Island. Still nice to know people in glass houses and all that. | |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:11 - Mar 30 with 1269 views | TheBlob |
Dear god some people are getting desperate.
Never once when I was at lunch with him did I feel his horny hand on my tender young knee nor did he offer up satanic prayers of thanks before the hors d'oeuvre.
Some old looney leftie purple clad ponce of a choir boy shagger more likely to offend.(in my unfortunate experience) | |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:14 - Mar 30 with 1264 views | AgedR |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 15:23 - Mar 30 by TacticalR |
So people are voting UKIP because they're being told it's stupid to vote UKIP?
In that case I can get rich by going round telling people it's stupid to give me money. |
Actually I don't know for sure if it's true. The comparison was when W Bush took a second term despite the efforts of many sectors telling the Americans how stupid and ignorant they would be to vote for him.
People just don't like being told what to think.
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:15 - Mar 30 with 1259 views | ganjR |
I'm voting Green, despite Natalie Bennett.
I know why I'm voting for them, I know about their policies and agree with them.
I guess that, like 99.9% of those who have made their 'private' voting preferences 'public' on here, nothing said, constructively, to change my mind will work. Any personal attacks will be dealt with in a different vein.
We all have different views, I guess that's down to DNA if you want to break it down to basics.
As much as I strongly disagree with many views on here, it's not my choice to make the choice for anyone else here.
If I disagree with other people's views, the way I make a stand is to vote for those I want in power.
Debate is all good, but if anyone here thinks attacking eachother is going to do anything but strengthen their views then, sorry, you happen to be the wrong one here.
This isn't aimed at anyone at all, just having my say. |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:23 - Mar 30 with 1243 views | paulparker |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:15 - Mar 30 by ganjR |
I'm voting Green, despite Natalie Bennett.
I know why I'm voting for them, I know about their policies and agree with them.
I guess that, like 99.9% of those who have made their 'private' voting preferences 'public' on here, nothing said, constructively, to change my mind will work. Any personal attacks will be dealt with in a different vein.
We all have different views, I guess that's down to DNA if you want to break it down to basics.
As much as I strongly disagree with many views on here, it's not my choice to make the choice for anyone else here.
If I disagree with other people's views, the way I make a stand is to vote for those I want in power.
Debate is all good, but if anyone here thinks attacking eachother is going to do anything but strengthen their views then, sorry, you happen to be the wrong one here.
This isn't aimed at anyone at all, just having my say. |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:23 - Mar 30 with 1793 views | Jamie |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 14:00 - Mar 30 by Discodroids |
dear oh dear, how tedious. The ten commandments of great LFW undergraduate..
1. discodroid posts a pisstake out of the labour party or responds to UKIP charges of 'racism', 'homophobia','misogyny' or 'gingerisim' by other posters
2.discodroid gets personal comment from poster usually 'racist', 'homophobic','misogyny' or 'gingerisim', druggie or alcoholic.
3.discodroid responds in kind
4. the poster requests discodroid ban from clive, somehow ignoring thier irony detector about to explode and is incredulous that their personal comment served like sue barker in a tu tu is returned at 140 mph roscoe tanner style.
5.poster places discodroid on ignore, then takes him off, then places him on, then off, then on.. or as many times as david lammy and dianne abott interview private school head teachers for their kids while telling you to dump yours in a class of 47 latvians and child soldiers from the congo
6. poster raises the bar and demands satisfaction from discodroid like a pistols at dawn micheal foot in buckskin , by delving into his loaded gun dirt chamber (or 6th form misty buff folder of revolutionary theories with cocteau twins /the fall stickers on it ) usually found in their public school tuck box.
7.discodroid informs the poster to retun to his judas priest poster on wall .subect matter female subjugation in leather) to expunge his thin, slightly acidic harry monk into a discarded fray bentos steak and ale pie tin(next to the garden peas and frozen mash)
8. im going to lunch
9. be back later
10. i'll say hello to the romanian beggar with no nose outside stratford primark for you.
ive said many times over jamie on these hallowed pages while i'll be voting for nigel luther farage . the funny thing is ive only seen metallica step up to the plate and admit it on here, but i can see the pie chart tells a different story.
now you still havent apologised for your druggie of alcoholic slur upon my good character.
our business, such as it is, is done sir.
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Yet again you've completely ignored the question and gone off on your own unique brand of rambling nonsense.
Your refusal to engage in any form of discussion on the pros & negatives of UKIP policy merely confirms my initial suspicion, which is that you will vote UKIP 'because Immurgrunts'. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's a democracy and people are entitled to their choice of vote, but it's a bit strange that you refuse to acknowledge it.
Anyway old chap, to the ignore list you go. Toodles. | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:28 - Mar 30 with 1788 views | Dorse |
I've checked out the Green Party's policies and I have to say that many of them make sense. However, after checking out UKIP's, I can say the same about their's too. The Lib Dems let us down in a number of ways this time out and neither the Conservatives or Labour have convinced me that they'll do anything but fcuk us up in slightly different ways.
In short, all sides have valid points (or no bugger'd vote for them) but no single party has got a complete answer. To ridicule anyone's voting choice, therefore, is to admit that your own is equally flawed. |  |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:36 - Mar 30 with 1768 views | Northernr |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:28 - Mar 30 by Dorse |
I've checked out the Green Party's policies and I have to say that many of them make sense. However, after checking out UKIP's, I can say the same about their's too. The Lib Dems let us down in a number of ways this time out and neither the Conservatives or Labour have convinced me that they'll do anything but fcuk us up in slightly different ways.
In short, all sides have valid points (or no bugger'd vote for them) but no single party has got a complete answer. To ridicule anyone's voting choice, therefore, is to admit that your own is equally flawed. |
I lose faith in the Greens when I hear that the Brighton constituency they won is something like 300 our of 317 in the country for recycling. It's like the Lib Dems and tuition fees - if you fck up the main thing you stand for, why should I be trusting you on the other stuff? |  | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:41 - Mar 30 with 1755 views | paulparker |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:23 - Mar 30 by Jamie |
Yet again you've completely ignored the question and gone off on your own unique brand of rambling nonsense.
Your refusal to engage in any form of discussion on the pros & negatives of UKIP policy merely confirms my initial suspicion, which is that you will vote UKIP 'because Immurgrunts'. Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's a democracy and people are entitled to their choice of vote, but it's a bit strange that you refuse to acknowledge it.
Anyway old chap, to the ignore list you go. Toodles. |
Jamie , you seem to have fallen in a media trap of branding all UKIP voters as nasty individuals, who only vote because they hate "imugrunts"
i think Disco relates to the party because he is fed up of Labour & the tories taking the working classes as fools , like myself its a vote for change , a change of the same old same old mugging us off, it seems to be working as the media is running scared of Nige
(see channel 4 who seem obsessed by him )
to brand Disco as someone who hates "immugrunts " is very silly seeing as he was married to an indian girl and has a mixed race son (btw Disco how is simon ?)
also Disco is from jewish heritage so again its very lazy on your part to assume ,
to vote UKIP is nothing like voting the BNP , to try and tarnish UKIP voters as the next thrid reich lacks a bit of inellegence IMHO , | |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:45 - Mar 30 with 1746 views | BasingstokeR |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:36 - Mar 30 by Northernr |
I lose faith in the Greens when I hear that the Brighton constituency they won is something like 300 our of 317 in the country for recycling. It's like the Lib Dems and tuition fees - if you fck up the main thing you stand for, why should I be trusting you on the other stuff? |
Main thing the Lib Dems stand for.... Tuition Fees? Really? | | | |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:47 - Mar 30 with 1741 views | Dorse |
Their roving organic vegan death squads will soon whip us into shape. | |
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| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:48 - Mar 30 with 1731 views | Northernr |
| LFW Election 2015 Straw Poll.. on 16:45 - Mar 30 by BasingstokeR |
Main thing the Lib Dems stand for.... Tuition Fees? Really? |
Well not any more obviously. But a massive part of their campaign last time around was tuition fees - big part of the reason they win in sheffield, as it has two unis. They rolled over on it in the coalition in order to a) have some slither of power and b) to get their vote on reform to the voting system which they were never going to win and very few people give a fck about. | | | |
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