| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 13:41 - Mar 25 with 1234 views | TheBlob |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 13:37 - Mar 25 by Discodroids |
i demand the finest manager known to humanity.
i want him here and i want him now.
#discodroid and I |
Immediately,if not sooner. |  |
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 13:47 - Mar 25 with 1234 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 13:36 - Mar 25 by TheBlob |
The inevitable question.
When your club is in a stable environment and the experimentation does not have such a deep impact.Now was the time for hanging onto the precipice with as many fingers as possible.The chasm looms below and the grip is loosening,there's not a mountain guide in sight. |
but to get the club to a stable environment you have to eventually stop worrying about the next 5 minutes and appoint someone to try and put in place foundations to make you more stable which is what they have done with Ferdinand.
When Redknapp went the likes of Pullis and Pardew had already gone, the options were limited for an experienced man to come in and save us, I don't think that candidate was out there.
Say we had gone with experience say a Warnock till the summer and we stay up we then give him another year keep going with the short term planning and be back in this position within months. Eventually we have to put the brakes on give someone a new a chance to build something at QPR and if it means dropping down a division to get that in place then so be it.
I've no idea if Ramsey or Ferdinand will end up doing a good job for us but the majority on here wanted the change they were screaming for a change of approach from the club, now we've done that all I read is that Fernandes is an idiot for changing it and we now need experience again. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:12 - Mar 25 with 1185 views | Toast_R |
Chris Ramsey, I thought he couldn't do any worse, it was refreshing. He gave it all the music to our ears speak about players expressing themselves. Turns out he sucks ass, but Ferdinand is going to defend his friend isn't he?
He got off to a good start but lets face it, it was against the a totally rank Sunderland where only a once a season great goal from Zamora and some heroics from Green were the difference.
After the Hull game it’s all gone wrong and his inexperience has shone through alarmingly ever since. He’s been unable to address or influence anything. Yes his hands are tied somewhat but he really don’t make it easy for himself. He seems to have reverted to the old Harry Redknapp Tombola of Turmoil when picking his team. The Everton game on Saturday was a personal disaster for him. No excuses, he got it wrong and that will cost QPR. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:13 - Mar 25 with 1193 views | W13R |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 11:43 - Mar 25 by kropotkin41 |
That's two posts in one thread of yours that I agree with Dave........... just off for a lie down.
No-one knows how we would have done with a different managerial team in place, but my feeling is that we'd still be proper deep in the sh*t. I feel very sorry for CR that he's been put in charge of a train wreck in progress.
Redknapp jumped ship because he knew where he'd put us and how unlikely escape was. In that at least he showed sound judgement. |
Spot on, we've been totally shat once McClaren left and we haven't played a decent game since.
The team was never going to be good enough thanks to Redcraps signings, not even Pep could have kept this team up if he had all season!
Lets not blame CR or LF as I believe TF has been very naïve since sacking Warnock.
Hopefully he will learn at some stage and as some people have said it might be the right time for him to step down and let somebody else take the heat.
Looks like yet another rebuild for next year so the club need to make sure they make the right appointment for manager or headcoach. No doubt there will be plenty more pain to come but lets get rid of the final dead wood and build a team we can be proud of once again. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:13 - Mar 25 with 1188 views | TheBlob |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 13:47 - Mar 25 by daveB |
but to get the club to a stable environment you have to eventually stop worrying about the next 5 minutes and appoint someone to try and put in place foundations to make you more stable which is what they have done with Ferdinand.
When Redknapp went the likes of Pullis and Pardew had already gone, the options were limited for an experienced man to come in and save us, I don't think that candidate was out there.
Say we had gone with experience say a Warnock till the summer and we stay up we then give him another year keep going with the short term planning and be back in this position within months. Eventually we have to put the brakes on give someone a new a chance to build something at QPR and if it means dropping down a division to get that in place then so be it.
I've no idea if Ramsey or Ferdinand will end up doing a good job for us but the majority on here wanted the change they were screaming for a change of approach from the club, now we've done that all I read is that Fernandes is an idiot for changing it and we now need experience again. |
I wanted Sherwood,I'll make no excuses for that.
And to provide a stable environment you've first got to get over the next five minutes.Short term first - you don't plan for a bask in the sun when the avalanche is rumbling towards you. | |
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:19 - Mar 25 with 1183 views | derbyhoop |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 10:08 - Mar 25 by fakekerby |
Whilst I agree is using somebody else's team that still doesn't escape several worrying trends:-
- use of SWP
- no using Adel or Vargas
- constant use of Zamora except Palace when he refused to put him on at all
- Furlong vs a team who thrive on wing play
- awful substitutions
- losing every game except Sunderland - results speak for themselves
And believe me, I love what Chris has to say and his attitude but sometimes somebody just isn't actually good enough. |
Very harsh.
The team at Palace, in particular, was selected from those who were fit, hence no Vargas nor Isla and the only explanation I can offer for SWP.
Adel and Vargas haven't been fit
I could quibble at the odd substitution but, generally, they've been ok.
Zamora's presence has created room for Austin, our only real goal scorer. But it didn't work in the home game against Palace, so why use it away? |  |
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:19 - Mar 25 with 1182 views | Match82 |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 12:09 - Mar 25 by DejR_vu |
I'm didn't say trainee, I said working alongside. I'm not an expert on DoF's, but then there's no need for me to be one as I'm not looking to appoint one. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect those that are making the appointments to do a little bit of due diligence. Do you think it's just a coincidence that of all of the people who work in football LF is identified as the person best qualified to do the job? Or that it's a coincidence that from all the people who work in football, we appoint someone who's already on-site to manage? These smack of decisions made by people who don't know what they're doing.
Just being in the game for 30 years doesn't mean he's qualified to be DoF. I've managed to stay alive for a lot longer than that but I don't think that qualifies me to be a doctor.
I'm all for stability, I was one that was crying out for it. But you need to appoint the right people.
And to be clear, I'm not digging out LF; I'm sure he's doing his best. I'm questioning why he was appointed. |
Just a thought, but I wonder if he was doing this at Spurs? |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:24 - Mar 25 with 1174 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:13 - Mar 25 by TheBlob |
I wanted Sherwood,I'll make no excuses for that.
And to provide a stable environment you've first got to get over the next five minutes.Short term first - you don't plan for a bask in the sun when the avalanche is rumbling towards you. |
Sherwood isn't experienced though and never faced this kind of battle before, even at Villa
they were always in a stronger position than us . I'm not convinced we'd have been much better if he had come in, it;s still the same players.
I do agree we need to get a balance between short term and long term planning. There is always another game you have to win and if you don't any long term plans are pointless. If we go down I'd look to bring someone in with experience of building football clubs and putting foundations in place whilst still maintaining a competitive first team.
Kenny Jackett, Eddie Howe, Nigel Clough and Shaun Dyche all come to mind for that kind of role and they'd be the names I'd be approaching come the end of the season. | | | |
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:49 - Mar 25 with 1153 views | TheBlob |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 14:24 - Mar 25 by daveB |
Sherwood isn't experienced though and never faced this kind of battle before, even at Villa
they were always in a stronger position than us . I'm not convinced we'd have been much better if he had come in, it;s still the same players.
I do agree we need to get a balance between short term and long term planning. There is always another game you have to win and if you don't any long term plans are pointless. If we go down I'd look to bring someone in with experience of building football clubs and putting foundations in place whilst still maintaining a competitive first team.
Kenny Jackett, Eddie Howe, Nigel Clough and Shaun Dyche all come to mind for that kind of role and they'd be the names I'd be approaching come the end of the season. |
In the end it really doesn't matter what you and I think and there's no point in admonishing someone for a different opinion.
I'm disappointed and frustrated inasmuch as I thought Les was the stalking horse that would finally oust Harry who was proving to be lame,in more than one sense.It seemed like the ideal setup - Sherwood,Les and Ramsey.But they've turned the straightman in the routine to the comedy punchline guy.It's never going to work.All you're going to get is that constant look of fear - the "what do we do now" expression - on Ramsey's face(that we've already viewed).Maybe he'll get one or two jokes right by sheer damned luck but the audience is inevitably going to shuffle off to the bar.
Another period of cold comfort coming up. | |
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:13 - Mar 25 with 1135 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 11:43 - Mar 25 by kropotkin41 |
That's two posts in one thread of yours that I agree with Dave........... just off for a lie down.
No-one knows how we would have done with a different managerial team in place, but my feeling is that we'd still be proper deep in the sh*t. I feel very sorry for CR that he's been put in charge of a train wreck in progress.
Redknapp jumped ship because he knew where he'd put us and how unlikely escape was. In that at least he showed sound judgement. |
Must be so demoralising for managers in the lower leagues when they see the youth coach handed the managers job at a Premier League club. It was lazy appointment. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:16 - Mar 25 with 1131 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 13:47 - Mar 25 by daveB |
but to get the club to a stable environment you have to eventually stop worrying about the next 5 minutes and appoint someone to try and put in place foundations to make you more stable which is what they have done with Ferdinand.
When Redknapp went the likes of Pullis and Pardew had already gone, the options were limited for an experienced man to come in and save us, I don't think that candidate was out there.
Say we had gone with experience say a Warnock till the summer and we stay up we then give him another year keep going with the short term planning and be back in this position within months. Eventually we have to put the brakes on give someone a new a chance to build something at QPR and if it means dropping down a division to get that in place then so be it.
I've no idea if Ramsey or Ferdinand will end up doing a good job for us but the majority on here wanted the change they were screaming for a change of approach from the club, now we've done that all I read is that Fernandes is an idiot for changing it and we now need experience again. |
The thing to do was to sack Harry when the decent managers were available. | | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:21 - Mar 25 with 1132 views | derbyhoop |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:13 - Mar 25 by SpiritofGregory |
Must be so demoralising for managers in the lower leagues when they see the youth coach handed the managers job at a Premier League club. It was lazy appointment. |
Ok, misery guts, who should we have appointed when Redknapp resigned on Tues 3rd Feb. And, please don't rattle on about sacking HR in September. Sir Alf Ramsey was available in 1972. He had a decent record.
Remember that Pardew, Pulis and your favourite Warburton weren't available at the time [Post edited 25 Mar 2015 15:29]
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:27 - Mar 25 with 1121 views | SpiritofGregory |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:21 - Mar 25 by derbyhoop |
Ok, misery guts, who should we have appointed when Redknapp resigned on Tues 3rd Feb. And, please don't rattle on about sacking HR in September. Sir Alf Ramsey was available in 1972. He had a decent record.
Remember that Pardew, Pulis and your favourite Warburton weren't available at the time [Post edited 25 Mar 2015 15:29]
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The problem was TF not sacking that moron earlier. We could all see that Harry wasn't up to it. You have to hand it to Palace and West Brom they were ruthless and are now reaping the rewards.
Did we actually approach Warbuton? He might have dumped Brentford considering how the chairman has treated him. | | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:38 - Mar 25 with 1114 views | derbyhoop |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:27 - Mar 25 by SpiritofGregory |
The problem was TF not sacking that moron earlier. We could all see that Harry wasn't up to it. You have to hand it to Palace and West Brom they were ruthless and are now reaping the rewards.
Did we actually approach Warbuton? He might have dumped Brentford considering how the chairman has treated him. |
You're right of course. We should have sacked Redknapp after the 0-0 draw at Reading that saw us both relegated. Then we could get back to the Briatore way of 4 managers per season. | |
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:43 - Mar 25 with 1112 views | BklynRanger |
We were in such a bad state when Ramsey took over it's easy to see that someone enthusiastic coming in with ideas and a more hands-on approach, coupled with the Sunderland result would make everyone, especially TF, feel very positive.
I don't know if Ramsey should stay or not but it's obvious that he wasn't "doing us a favour" when he took the job - that's the stupidest thing I've heard Les say. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:47 - Mar 25 with 1060 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:16 - Mar 25 by SpiritofGregory |
The thing to do was to sack Harry when the decent managers were available. |
We were winning games when they were avaliable | | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 16:59 - Mar 25 with 1010 views | qprewan |
I really do think that in 8 weeks or so when we almost certainly will get relegated the club and TF have some absolutely massive decisions to make the results of which will in all liklihood determine our fortunes in the years to come.
As Northern commented elsewhere there is a real chance we could do a Wolves and drop down again and I think he said that this was a more favourable option. We all seem agreed that either by our choice or by the players themselves the majority will leave and we will be down to the bare bones of a squad. Also much as we all want to see youth given a chance; the facts are that as they stand they will not be good enough on their own to keep us in the Championship. So we will need to recruit. This in itself will be problematic given our debt and the lack of funds likely to be available. We all seem to like the idea of starting again but the reality is that if it was that easy loads of Championship clubs would be doing it every year. As it stands, Derby with an established squad and a decent manager are struggling to go up.
TF is talking a good game at the moment but I have to say that given his track record he is , in large part, simply saying what he thinks the fans want to hear and actually hasn't got a clue what to do.
Imo the first and most important thing he needs to decide on is the right manager who can implement what is going to be a major rebuild. As I have said before, Eddie Howe is for me the stand out choice but it looks less and less likely he would come here. Maybe Robinson or Clement though not sure of his knowledge of the Championship; he then needs to be honest about what funds will be available and what type of players we need and how we are going to get them. Because we are going to be recruiting in the lower leagues it is vital that we go for someone who is not a big name but is used to operating at this level whilst at the same time having a clear footballing philosophy. None of this is going to be straight forward and I would say the chances of us getting things wrong are going to be high.
I also think that he needs to come clean about the New stadium too; as if we are in reality going to be in the lower leagues for a bit then what on earth is the point of us pursuing a massive new stadium.. I remember some of us laughing at Wolves for building a new stand; TF still talks of a whole new ground!
I am not confident about any of this happening but it does need to happen; if the club reduces prices and is honest that there are difficult times ahead then I believe the vast majority of us will be behind them but if he keeps on with his smoke and mirrors act then many more of us will become disillusioned with it all. [Post edited 25 Mar 2015 17:03]
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:03 - Mar 25 with 1002 views | daveB |
Wolves may have been laughed at for building a new stand but if they go up this year or next they won't look so daft with the stadium finished and ready for premier league football. | | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:11 - Mar 25 with 992 views | qprewan |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:03 - Mar 25 by daveB |
Wolves may have been laughed at for building a new stand but if they go up this year or next they won't look so daft with the stadium finished and ready for premier league football. |
No I quite agree Dave but they are a much bigger club in terms of support than us and they started building when they were still in the Premiership; are we really going to continue with plans for a 30 to 40, 000 stadium when we are bottom half of the Championship or maybe even in league 1? We surely need to get the footballing side right first and it seems that with 200 million of debt accrued already that we are getting further and further away from that.. [Post edited 25 Mar 2015 17:12]
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| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:14 - Mar 25 with 982 views | daveB |
The stadium is years away so impossible to know what division or state we'll be in if /when it opens so they have to push on with it. This is a now or never opportunity with Old Oak. I think 40,000 is too big but if it does ever happen I would have though it will end up being scaled down. | | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:28 - Mar 25 with 963 views | qprewan |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:14 - Mar 25 by daveB |
The stadium is years away so impossible to know what division or state we'll be in if /when it opens so they have to push on with it. This is a now or never opportunity with Old Oak. I think 40,000 is too big but if it does ever happen I would have though it will end up being scaled down. |
Actually my main point was how we are going to adapt or not as the case may be to going down. As for the stadium I think it's a moot point as I don't think it is going to happen; in the survey and all the speel last year they said it was due to open 2017 - 2018 which we all know is never going to happen though. Like I said TF needs to come clean- not holding my breath mind... | | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 17:36 - Mar 25 with 958 views | dodge_stoke_r |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 12:29 - Mar 25 by daveB |
I think he got the job as he impressed the owners with the work he did when he initially came in to look after the youth development side and once they heard his ideas about how he wanted things done they gave him the chance.
I've no doubt the initial appointment was done because of his name rather than his knowledge and I'd agree those above him have no idea what they are doing but I think he's doing a decent job so far and would rather see him in the role than someone who has no connection to the club but has done alright in different circumstances somewhere else.
At some stage you have to give someone a chance to get experience and succeed or fail rather than the same old tired names all the time. |
I take it your are talking about Ramsey doing a good job so far, because. Holy fcuk I wouldn't have liked to see our results if he wasnt doing a good job. One win and six defeats isnt good. Specially when four of thoughs games were against decidedly poor to avereage at best teams. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 18:38 - Mar 25 with 929 views | RangersAreBack |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 12:25 - Mar 25 by bob566 |
thats a team with danny gabbidon and delaney in it too Dave. A guy in zaha who hadn't played the sport for over a year. They're not all that. What he has done is got them running their socks off for the cause. |
If they're not all that I dread to think what we've become. |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 19:06 - Mar 25 with 909 views | BasingstokeR |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 12:25 - Mar 25 by bob566 |
thats a team with danny gabbidon and delaney in it too Dave. A guy in zaha who hadn't played the sport for over a year. They're not all that. What he has done is got them running their socks off for the cause. |
Gabbidon at Palace this season? He's been at Cardiff since the end of 1st September.
Zaha not played football in over a year? He played 18 times last season between Man U and Cardiff; and has played 27 times this season, half of those before Pardew came in?  |  | | |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 20:09 - Mar 25 with 862 views | PunteR |
| Ferdinand on Ramsey on 15:13 - Mar 25 by SpiritofGregory |
Must be so demoralising for managers in the lower leagues when they see the youth coach handed the managers job at a Premier League club. It was lazy appointment. |
Ramsey been a coach for years at all different levels. It was a great opportunity for him to manage us. I cant see how his appointment demoralizes lower league managers. Unless you have a negative and bitter disposition.
It was a gamble, one that I thought was worth it. Not sure what our options were. Feel a bit sorry for Ramsey now.
I would still keep him here even if they change managers end of season.
We need stability,Ferdinand as DOF and Ramsey coach is a good starting point.
Surprised Steve Gallen is getting a more involved these days. |  |
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