| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto 14:25 - Feb 1 with 6778 views | RangersAreBack |
Burnley exposed these 2 for what they are - average at best. So Assou-Ekotto can pluck a ball out of the air. Great, but he can't defend for toffee and makes ludicrous decisions in dangerous areas. I can see now why 2 successive managers at Tottenham had no interest in recalling him. |  | | |  |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 01:36 - Feb 2 with 907 views | RangersAreBack |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 19:29 - Feb 1 by Trom |
That's your opinion. Love Hill but when you play Dunne and Hill the midfield often drops back due to a lack of pace. Onuoha gives you pace at the back when playing at CB. [Post edited 1 Feb 2014 20:16]
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It's not just my opinion, it's also Harry's. | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 01:49 - Feb 2 with 902 views | Pommyhoop |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 20:07 - Feb 1 by Pommyhoop |
I know what your pick is every week. Exactly what H sais. Best England manager that never was eh ?
Titilated tourist after the London experiance.
You done the Eye yet? |
Rest my case . You blindly agree with whatever H says. whether its on Adel,playing Henry instead of Ale, signing Bennyoon,playing the Zmaster when he's fit for f.all. |  |
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| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 02:03 - Feb 2 with 888 views | RangersAreBack |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 01:49 - Feb 2 by Pommyhoop |
Rest my case . You blindly agree with whatever H says. whether its on Adel,playing Henry instead of Ale, signing Bennyoon,playing the Zmaster when he's fit for f.all. |
Why are you arguing with yourself?  | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 02:28 - Feb 2 with 878 views | Pommyhoop |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 01:36 - Feb 2 by RangersAreBack |
It's not just my opinion, it's also Harry's. |
It's not . my opinion, it's . Harry's. [Post edited 2 Feb 2014 2:29]
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| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 07:19 - Feb 2 with 822 views | JonDoeman |
Hopefully Hill has got hold of him , & we'll be seeing the classy Benny put the ball into the stand a bit more often from now on. It's about stopping goals, not you looking good mate. |  |
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| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 08:29 - Feb 2 with 791 views | morgantwin |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 07:19 - Feb 2 by JonDoeman |
Hopefully Hill has got hold of him , & we'll be seeing the classy Benny put the ball into the stand a bit more often from now on. It's about stopping goals, not you looking good mate. |
i dont think its the fault of the said players i think both players,could have been bettrer supported they were left isolated and you have only get to look at what hoilett was doing to burnley to realise that its quite easy to take on a solitary player and beat him
hoilett was taking on three burnley players and beating them almopst at will.so you must be fair and say that burnley have two player as good as charlie austin so to hold this team was not a bad day at the office |  |
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| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 08:46 - Feb 2 with 789 views | Blue_Castello |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 02:03 - Feb 2 by RangersAreBack |
Why are you arguing with yourself? |
Rest my case, my arse, more like basket case.........you do appear to be a wind up merchant....???
Onuoha doesn't deserve the criticism from you, how many times have you watched him LIVE this year at centre back.....??
He is a very good centre back, not a right back, and we all agree Simpson is a far better right back. As far as you are concerned anything Harry does is the "Holy Mantra" its like you are following some sort of god rather than thinking for yourself.
You then state to other people that you watch other games and are far more informed, well that sounds like a crock of sh*t.
The majority of people on this mboard rate Onuoha as a centre back, people were saying that before his injury if he continued playing at that level he would get player of the season. Dunne as Clive calls him affectionately the pub landlord does not have pace and Hill who has been a fantastic player for us over the last few years is also lacking pace. At home to Leicester we conceded a goal because of lack of pace at the back, Vardy was just too quick for Dunne if I remember correctly, that split second decision and lack of pace lost us the game.
Other people tend to evaluate our players on their merits not on what Harrys thinking, lots of people suggested Onuoha should play at centre back against the better teams because we can be caught out for lack of pace and therefore can not play a high line. This in turn means we invite teams onto us and cant push the midfield further up giving us fewer opportunities to support the strikers.
I would be very interested to hear what Neil and Clive have to say on the subject but then I guess nobodys opinion matters apart from Harrys because he picks the team and he knows best ALL the time.
Well this mboard is all about opinions and people will never all agree.....  | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 09:09 - Feb 2 with 770 views | jonno |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 08:29 - Feb 2 by morgantwin |
i dont think its the fault of the said players i think both players,could have been bettrer supported they were left isolated and you have only get to look at what hoilett was doing to burnley to realise that its quite easy to take on a solitary player and beat him
hoilett was taking on three burnley players and beating them almopst at will.so you must be fair and say that burnley have two player as good as charlie austin so to hold this team was not a bad day at the office |
Hoillett wasn't "taking on three Burnley players and beating them almost at will". In fact this is Hoillett's main problem - he can't actually "beat" a player, he doesn't have a trick to do that, he just relies on pace to get past his man. Decent teams such as Burnley will simply work hard and double up on him so that he is picked off every time he pushes the ball past the first defender and this is what was happening yesterday every time. The one time he got past both was because their backing up defender made a rickett and Hoillet got the ball off him and got into the box along the goal line, passed across the goal for Maiga to knock it in. As for Onuoha he is never a right back in a million years but came in to do a job yesterday. He was at fault for the goal because he should have been out wide closing the winger down but was out of position in the centre as he tends to get often when he plays RB. I was surprised that Hughes didn't come straight in at RB TBH but I'd imagine that would have been too many changes at once with new players in the side - don't forget they have only been at the Club one day. It was disappointing to see two goals scored because the striker got to the ball ahead of the defender, but then the Burnley strikers are decent at this level and Dunne/Hill are knocking on a bit and aren't the quickest to react these days. Burnley could say the same about the Doyle goal as well. And BAE - yes he was caught out yesterday because Burnley had clearly identified this was an area they could capitalise on and had the players to do that. Usually when that happens BAE is good enough to recover the situation at our level. I like him as a fullback and I think he gives us far more than the occasional lapse loses us, he retains possession for us rather than just lumping the ball away and this is a huge benefit for us IMHO. I thought yesterday was an excellent game in fact, probably the best I have seen this season and given the upheaval with injuries we currently have and with new players coming in with no time to adapt to each other, we played very well for long periods in the game, better than we have been for some time. Don't forget we were up against one of the best sides in the division who have had the fortune to have almost the same side for every game this season (the total opposite to us) and a draw means we are still three points clear of them, so given the circumstances it was a good result for us. They clearly were looking for a win (and credit to them for that) because they saw it as a chance to close the gap with us, with us having the injury problems and new players coming in, not to mention Phillips also going off early in the game as well, and I suspect they will be disappointed they did not get that. Taking that into account a draw was a good result for us, and we could even have nicked it as well. |  | | |
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| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 09:23 - Feb 2 with 757 views | morgantwin |
good post johno i dont agree with all of it but it was 95 per cent bang on the money | |
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| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 09:43 - Feb 2 with 740 views | essextaxiboy |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 08:46 - Feb 2 by Blue_Castello |
Rest my case, my arse, more like basket case.........you do appear to be a wind up merchant....???
Onuoha doesn't deserve the criticism from you, how many times have you watched him LIVE this year at centre back.....??
He is a very good centre back, not a right back, and we all agree Simpson is a far better right back. As far as you are concerned anything Harry does is the "Holy Mantra" its like you are following some sort of god rather than thinking for yourself.
You then state to other people that you watch other games and are far more informed, well that sounds like a crock of sh*t.
The majority of people on this mboard rate Onuoha as a centre back, people were saying that before his injury if he continued playing at that level he would get player of the season. Dunne as Clive calls him affectionately the pub landlord does not have pace and Hill who has been a fantastic player for us over the last few years is also lacking pace. At home to Leicester we conceded a goal because of lack of pace at the back, Vardy was just too quick for Dunne if I remember correctly, that split second decision and lack of pace lost us the game.
Other people tend to evaluate our players on their merits not on what Harrys thinking, lots of people suggested Onuoha should play at centre back against the better teams because we can be caught out for lack of pace and therefore can not play a high line. This in turn means we invite teams onto us and cant push the midfield further up giving us fewer opportunities to support the strikers.
I would be very interested to hear what Neil and Clive have to say on the subject but then I guess nobodys opinion matters apart from Harrys because he picks the team and he knows best ALL the time.
Well this mboard is all about opinions and people will never all agree..... |
No his opinion matters because he knows ALL the facts. How that player has trained how fit and healthy they are , what their confidence and state of mind is like and how they fit in to team spirit and ambitions. He also has over 40 years experience of proffesional football both playing and managing in the top division ... |  | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 10:33 - Feb 2 with 704 views | francisbowles |
I agree Onuoha is not a right back but he does a reasonable job there when we are short. He is right footed, so therefore I see him as competing for a cb position with Dunne not Hill.
Yesterday, I would say that both NO and Hoillett were at fault as neither reacted quickly to the situation. I would also agree that we defend deeper without NO in the same way we did when Nelson and Hill were a partnership. Dunne has had some great performances and that has been keeping NO on the bench.
BAE's weakness is when someone constantly niggles at him when he is trying to control the ball. Mackie has done him on a couple of occasions and yesterday Ings was onto him. Thank God, BAE wasn't deployed at rb yesterday.
He is very good in most situations but arrogant and thinks he is better than us. Anyone ever noticed, at the end of the game, how he is first off the pitch , never acknowledging the fans? | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 10:50 - Feb 2 with 689 views | wood_hoop |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 09:43 - Feb 2 by essextaxiboy |
No his opinion matters because he knows ALL the facts. How that player has trained how fit and healthy they are , what their confidence and state of mind is like and how they fit in to team spirit and ambitions. He also has over 40 years experience of proffesional football both playing and managing in the top division ... |
So does Moyes of Man Utd have plenty of experience,yet a team that walks the league last season look no better than one just promoted despite having a squad of so called 'top players, yet his succesor Martinez takes over his old club and with virtually the same group of players breathes new life into a team that Moyes says can go no further, and manages to retain one of the best English players in the division (Baines) that would have no trouble getting a transfer to one of the other top clubs.
Managers are not infallible, plenty in football and you wonder how the hell they ever got to that postion, but somehow they do, look behind the scenes and they usually have a very good support team, HR has been smart in how his PR is handled and for what ever reason the media on the whole have allowed a man who's dubious decisions in life have not got in the way of his career, or dented the reputation as an esteemed manager of football clubs,his record is not one that would have many top clubs breaking down doors to give him employment, his playing career was an an average pro player, but then as pro contracts are given to young players on the opinion of a manager its no surprise that there have been and still to this day plenty classed as 'professionals' that are not much better than Sunday Pub league players and these are the ones that it seems go onto to get further employment as managers.
Don't have a great deal of emphathy with HR but so far this season despite some strange decisions in team selection and tactics we are in a good place, is this luck or due to his attributes as an experienced knowlegable manager, serious doubts that he is the messiah that many on here seem to cast him as, in truth I think their are other managers that could do the job he has done up to now and without the vast 'wealth' of experience and skill sets some seem to think he is blessed with.
I also have many years of experience of watching football at the highest level, coaching and playing at a grass roots level for many years, wouldn't have the termity to think that I could do that at a professional level but enough experience to hopefully at least give a reasoned opinion when it it comes to those whose mantra is 'leave it to the 'professionals' and more or less 'what the fcuk do you know'. |  | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 11:05 - Feb 2 with 667 views | essextaxiboy |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 10:50 - Feb 2 by wood_hoop |
So does Moyes of Man Utd have plenty of experience,yet a team that walks the league last season look no better than one just promoted despite having a squad of so called 'top players, yet his succesor Martinez takes over his old club and with virtually the same group of players breathes new life into a team that Moyes says can go no further, and manages to retain one of the best English players in the division (Baines) that would have no trouble getting a transfer to one of the other top clubs.
Managers are not infallible, plenty in football and you wonder how the hell they ever got to that postion, but somehow they do, look behind the scenes and they usually have a very good support team, HR has been smart in how his PR is handled and for what ever reason the media on the whole have allowed a man who's dubious decisions in life have not got in the way of his career, or dented the reputation as an esteemed manager of football clubs,his record is not one that would have many top clubs breaking down doors to give him employment, his playing career was an an average pro player, but then as pro contracts are given to young players on the opinion of a manager its no surprise that there have been and still to this day plenty classed as 'professionals' that are not much better than Sunday Pub league players and these are the ones that it seems go onto to get further employment as managers.
Don't have a great deal of emphathy with HR but so far this season despite some strange decisions in team selection and tactics we are in a good place, is this luck or due to his attributes as an experienced knowlegable manager, serious doubts that he is the messiah that many on here seem to cast him as, in truth I think their are other managers that could do the job he has done up to now and without the vast 'wealth' of experience and skill sets some seem to think he is blessed with.
I also have many years of experience of watching football at the highest level, coaching and playing at a grass roots level for many years, wouldn't have the termity to think that I could do that at a professional level but enough experience to hopefully at least give a reasoned opinion when it it comes to those whose mantra is 'leave it to the 'professionals' and more or less 'what the fcuk do you know'. |
My point is that you dont know all the facts and if you did you may find that you understand the tactics and selections a bit more ... | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 11:34 - Feb 2 with 648 views | wood_hoop |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 11:05 - Feb 2 by essextaxiboy |
My point is that you dont know all the facts and if you did you may find that you understand the tactics and selections a bit more ... |
This is where we will differ greatly in how to evaluate the players and how they are played, certainly having some 'inside' knowlege is an advantage over the 'man in the street' but much of football is based on opinion and that includes by those employed at a professional level, Onuoha is a better player at centre back , that's the opinion expressed by many who may not have forty years of professional experience behind them but can form a judgement of watching the game for many years.
Various facts should not need quantifying, if a player is not reasonably fit to play at the required high standard whether that be physically or mentally then why select them, a player of a lower standard in your opinion may be a disadvantage if selected but its not rocket science to feel the risk of playing someone below their best is a much higher risk, you have to maybe change your plans and tactics to accomodate the lesser skilled player but then that what management is about, solving problems that get thrown at you but still be expected to maintain a level of performance from your team that has been made that more difficult. | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 11:51 - Feb 2 with 629 views | qprewan |
To the 2 or 3 people on here slagging of Ned and writing him off what the feck are you on? 1st game back for ages and he makes a positional mistake that leads to a goal and now he is useless! Apart from this he had a good game and like others have said earlier in the season he was one of our most improved players. Also do any of his critics remember what happened when he did his hamstring against Brighton- basically his hamstring went but there was the small matter of the Brighton player being through on goal if Ned pulled up so he carried on running all be it in a very odd way and won a challenge 30 yards further on before going down. Maybe not as heroic as Austin playing for 70 mins with a serious shoulder injury but admirable nevertheless. Personally he is the type of player that I would like to see spend the majority of his career at Rangers. | | | |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 11:56 - Feb 2 with 618 views | JonDoeman |
| Onuoha and Assou-Ekotto on 11:05 - Feb 2 by essextaxiboy |
My point is that you dont know all the facts and if you did you may find that you understand the tactics and selections a bit more ... |
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