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Reply | Gunnersbury park
at 13:30 30 Jul 2021
I used to go to school there too 78 to 85. spent many an unhappy Monday morning doing cross-country running round GP. forgotten about the cold shower changies too.
grim. |
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Reply | UBER * NON QPR
at 14:04 25 Nov 2019
UBER lose a fortune. deliberately undercutting public services and traditional taxis until their the only man left standing. |
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Reply | Luxembourg 1 ‘England’ 0
at 21:06 17 Sep 2019
ive got a qpr flag from the play off final. so what.
the currency makes trade easier, cheaper and financial rules simpler to follow and apply. if we'd have been in the euro it wouldn't have plunged like the pound has since the referendum and we'd have been much better off.
the parliament creates, checks and enforces rules. would you be happier if they just called it "big meeting place"?
Pfft about the army. we can veto it if we want. also, armies tend to have more rules than you can shake a stick at. i'm actually struggling to see whats wrong with an EU army anyway. probably makes economic sense. |
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Reply | Luxembourg 1 ‘England’ 0
at 20:04 17 Sep 2019
the EU is just a big set of rules. to make 28 nations act as one you need rules and lots of them. everyone gets to agree to most of the rules and absolutely everybody has to agree to the big ones - like treaties. ever closer union just makes all those lovely rules easier to make and enforce. Germany still wants to be Germany and Luxembourg still wants to be Luxembourg.
the rule about leaving has basically 2 options:
leave with a withdrawal agreement or don't. the UK has been unable to agree with itself to do either. The EU is not stopping us doing one or the other it just wants us to follow the rules we have previously agreed to. exactly as we would expect another country to if they had decided to leave. Greenland did and signed one.
"wish them all the best and leave on reasonable terms to go our own way" is about as far away from an agreed, rule based system as you can get. whose version of 'reasonable' are you talking about?
everyone can bang on about unelected this, juncker that, federal europe, blah, blah. it's all irrelevant and has been since June 2016 |
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Reply | Luxembourg 1 ‘England’ 0
at 15:09 17 Sep 2019
its probably all irrelevant anyway. just another Boris 'dead cat on the table' moment.currently it's a handy distraction for him as while it goes on, and sucks all the UK journalists in, no one is questioning the fact that his 30 days are nearly up, he's put no new options on the table and he won't be getting any new deal that satisfies everyone it needs to.
if they go against him he maybe forced to resign but I doubt it. even if parliament is recalled what are they actually going to do? he wont get an amendable queens speech through as he has no majority.
if they find in his favour then we just continue as we are and he carries on pretending to try and get a deal until the EU summit.
personally i'd love to see his kite when it's confirmed he lied to her maj.
although not as much as when he announces he's asking for an extension or he's resigning. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 16:43 26 Jul 2019
yeah maybe. Funny though how "continuation of the status quo for elites and capitalists" usually gets levied at us remainers rater then the brexiter Tories, et al.
I understand what you and DannyR are saying - I just don't see how it'll play out that way. One of the problems with brexit is that all seems good in theory, rhetoric, conspiracy stories and dogma. But the minute it hits the real world and requires something to be written down it all falls apart. E.g. NI border.
My conspiracy theory at the moment is that Boris is trying to save the Tory party by appearing to be all Brexit do-or-die to keep the UKIP2.0 voters but offering something to the remainers in the party (maybe a 2nd ref if every one else is offering it) to stop them going to Libdems. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 16:24 26 Jul 2019
so no need for UKIP2.0? Cant see Nige going quietly though. I think you're right to some degree - Tory party looking more and more like UKLIP2.0 with each new appointment. Good. Split their vote. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 15:00 26 Jul 2019
you see Peterborough is a perfect example of what I was saying. At the last general election the Labour majority was only 600 odd votes. Despite the bi-election I just can't see the Tories throwing the towel in there, even if they have an 'understanding' with UKIP2.0. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 14:47 26 Jul 2019
yeah I get that but I'm not sure it's that simple. If we assume that Farage is only interested in seats that voted leave and the Tories will only go with a paper candidate where Labour have a majority then that gives them a target of about 150 seats. About 40-50% of those seats have quote a small Labour majority. I'm not convinced that the Tories will just give those up. Also a handful are so Labour there's no way they will switch either. Will UKIP2.0 be happy fighting in under 80 Labour strongholds just cos they voted leave 3 years ago? I'm not convinced. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 13:40 26 Jul 2019
it's certainly an interesting thought that has been mentioned a few times on here. what interests me though is which seats specifically. I'm sure the Tories may not mind stepping aside in a few Northern Labour strongholds but whether they are a shoe-in for UKIP2.0 just because Labour may suddenly switch to remain. I'm not convinced they'll win many, if any at all. Just because somewhere voted 66% leave in an advisory referendum doesn't mean they'll all suddenly switch to UKIP2.0 in a general election. So Herr Nigey will want some 'other' seats, ones where he has a better chance but the Tories will happily 'give up'. Any ideas? I'm struggling to think where they may be. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 13:01 26 Jul 2019
johnson's cabinet quite clearly says he is more concerned about losing rightwingers to UKIP2.0 Ltd than he is about losing moderates to Libdem. I guess he's sure that no one, or very few, who contemplates voting tory will ever vote for Corbyn, remain or not. For the good guys this could prove useful as it will split the Mordur vote. However, it could then all depend on what Labour put in their manifesto and if anyone believes what they say. 13m voted labour last time, how many of that number would blindly vote fartage if labour come out for remain? dunno, but i suspect it will be less than switch to libdem or greens if he carries on about honouring referendums, etc. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 18:51 25 Jul 2019
yeah maybe spiel was a bit much. the point i was making is that if the government decides 2 people working isn't enough to live on then they shroud raise the minimum wage NOT cut benefits. if your business model can't stand that then it's not a viable business model. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 14:29 25 Jul 2019
2 people, with 2 kids, working full time for tesco are entitled to tax credits. 2 possibilities here:
tax credits is too high or minimum wage is too low. the tax payer is subsidising tesco profits at the altar of 'working is the best way out of poverty' spiel.
you're right - the problem with the benefits system is the minimum wage being set too low. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 14:11 25 Jul 2019
no worries - it'll not come as much of a surprise but I am used to it, admittedly it tends to be from the 'other side' of the argument. My apologies too.
I too want a Labour government and I think my problem with Labour (Corbyn) stance on Brexit is that they are actively pursuing a course that will result in, now a Boris, Tory election win. Trying to please everyone is just letting the door open for someone else. Corbyn's idea of a soft brexit/Norway/Canada+/whatever may well have worked had he been in charge from the outset. Fundamentally I don't think he would have left the SM and CU and basically still been in the EU, taking rules but not coughing up the fee or sending the likes of Farage to spout Nazi nonsense at the EU. It's a ludicrous thing to do but at least it would have 'honoured' the referendum. The minute May set her red lines that option was gone. If an idiot like me can see that how can't Labour? You end up concluding that no deal is maybe an acceptable outcome all along.
The trouble with Labour current position is it only works after a GE and if the EU are prepared to start again and they are willing to give another extension. I think you're right - far too woolly for a manifesto. In or Out has to be the option.
I've said on here before. I can see Boris 'trying' to get a deal and being thwarted by EU. Then 'trying' to force no deal and getting thwarted by HoC and then going for a sympathy GE with just enough bravado to stop UKIP2.0 gaining many seats and playing the 'we'll now get a good deal with a bigger majority' card to keep the centrist remainers on side too. And, IMO, Corbyn is either accidentally or deliberately letting that happen. I'd have to guess that he hopes it will all be a disaster and Labour can swan in and save the day. Maybe they can.
Just to add - I'm not a huge fan of bits of the EU. I think the Euro is a terrible idea and erodes more sovereignty than anything else. I'd also like the veto system stopped. You should be in or out. Any country that holds that much power skews the whole idea of EU. The UK holds more vetoes than anyone else. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 12:57 25 Jul 2019
well in the interest of balance let me start by saying go get fcked yourself.
when FBPE started it wasn't anti-corbyn at all. the clue is in the title. something over the last three years has led to it becoming a not uncommon theme, but not as common as the anti-tory posts. Now I wonder why that might be? Considering the cabinet we now have and the increased likelyhood of no deal and thinking that is the fault of FBPE is, IMO, certifiable. Quite clearly this has been a remain or no deal option from the minute May stipulated we were leaving the CU. For me and many other FBPE people there is no soft brexit, jobs fcking first brexit or any other type except 'no deal'. If he isn't for remain then only one other option exists. If he is for remain why doesn't he say so.
I don't want Corbyn to fail. I want him to do what the majority of the Labour party want him to do. I dont know a single person who thinks the wild nonsense you're spouting. Because of Corbyn social agenda I, and I know a few others, actually joined the Labour party. Never had before.
Play the game with me then - Boris comes back empty handed from Brussels. Shrugs and says it's no deal. Will Corbyn put up a vote of no confidence then? Let's assume he does and Boris loses (thank fck) and calls a GE. What would you like to see as the policy about Brexit in the Labour manifesto? |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 12:30 25 Jul 2019
the ONLY thing I have against Corbyn is his stance on brexit. Not arsed about all this pro terrorism/antisemitism crap because I don't believe it. if you look at his long career and think he 'hates' a group of people based on their faith then you're an idiot. I also don't believe he'd spend and borrow the country into oblivion either. I quite like the idea of him taxing the better off (which would probably include me) and sorry but tough if Londoners perceive £50K a year 'isn't much'. maybe the country could do with some re-balancing.
Maybe FBPE has latched onto Corbyn/milne stance and lumped them in with May/Boris/etc. certainly didn't start that way and he used to get defended a lot for 'playing the long game'. Not sure the long game included the cabinet we now have today. You're wrong, IMO, about the Venn diagram overlap. There's plenty of differing political views within the FBPE tag. I follow a handful of Tory FBPE'rs (*goes for a shower*) for a view from the other side.
Judging Labour on its policy? Current Policy seems to be :
vote Labour and we'll try and honour the referendum and get a 'better' deal (laughable IMO)
vote Tory and Labour will oppose ALL leave options and put it to a referendum.
And they think this will make me vote Labour?!?!?!?
I apologies for my Momentum reference. I'm not really that concerned by them and anything that appeals to younger voters is probably a good thing. Scrutinising this government record is precisely what it should be doing, doesn't have to do it while ignoring what any form of brexit will do to the poorest in our society though. And that for me is the crucial point. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 09:29 25 Jul 2019
hard left depends on your point of view. for me Corbyn is hard left (which is generally a good thing BTW). To my Mum Blair was hard left as she perceived him as unnecessarily throwing money at poor people/areas (despite her being one and living in one). To my Granddad Thatcher was a bit of a commie at times. So, no, I cant define Hard Left as I suspect yours will be different to mine and different again from some of the brexiters/rightwingnuts on this board.
No idea how Milne and Corbyn voted. It's every facilitating thing they've done since the vote which has made me give up on them. and, again, on the party I have voted for consistently for 34 years at every type of election.
I followed momentum on twitter for a while but gave up because of their constant whatboutism with everything to do with brexit while flatly refusing to address the elephant in the room. I'm sure at an individual level they are all smashing people. On a couple of the anti-brexit marches I've been on I've met up with a few FBPE'rs and they've all been lovely and certainly wouldn't recognise the type in the example you've attached.
the whole point of my post was that 'blaming' FBPE for our current situation is stupid. They have no power or direct influence on the situation. All they can do is shout, march and annoy - seemingly doing a sterling job of it too. I used to go on CND marches in the early 80s, not sure I can blame them for nuclear proliferation or the Cuban missile crisis though. |
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Reply | A day that will live in infamy
at 15:18 24 Jul 2019
you've mispelt "momentum" there.
Are you suggesting EU insisted on the backstop because of FBPE?
Or Boris/Mogg/Corbyn/Francois/Hannan/Milne/etc. are mad, mad keen on No Deal because of FBPE?
How many MPs voting on this crap have FBPE on their twitter?
Genuinely interested in your thought process here. Hope its not just "that shouty bloke in the hat is a bit annoying therefore anti-no dealers are fecking Beelzebub!"
Austerity is killing this country and vulnerable people. I've voted Labour for 34 years and what the hard left have done to facilitate the likes of Mogg/Gove/et fecking al is sickening. Labour should be helping these people not screwing them over for their votes. |
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