| Remy 12:19 - Nov 10 with 6050 views | qprwpg |
Scores another for Newcastle - must be worth at least 25 mil by now, shirley? |  |
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| Remy on 09:13 - Nov 11 with 1235 views | QPR_John |
| Remy on 23:26 - Nov 10 by HollowayRanger |
say southampton offer 12 mill newcastle £8 mill and arsenal £8 mill
remy would choose arsenal and theres nowt we could do about it if he has an £8 mill release
only good thing would be we still get the £2 mill off newcastle for the season loan so total would be £10 mill i hope |
Does the release clause, if in fact it exists, stay active while he is at the club whatever happens. Should it be activated and Remy refuses to go to the club we have negotiated with does that then nullify said clause. Just a thought. |  | | |
| Remy on 09:27 - Nov 11 with 1222 views | pomanjou |
Nobody really knows what is in the contract and exactly how it is written. However, my take on a release from contract clause is that it can be paid by the player, thus allowing him to go wherever he pleases. In reality it is normally paid by the buying club because then its a corporate cost whereas if the player pays its out of taxed income (in theory). |  |
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| Remy on 09:31 - Nov 11 with 1220 views | kensalriser |
Lots of guessing, conjecture and 'understanding'.
Not a lot of fact. |  |
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| Remy on 10:17 - Nov 11 with 1200 views | Juzzie |
| Remy on 21:39 - Nov 10 by Jeff |
at the risk of asking a fairly silly question, if £8m triggers the clause, why on earth would you bid even a penny more?
i don't claim to be in the know, i'm not stating facts or anything like that, but from what i've been told, there is a deal in place with Newcastle for a £6m fee at the end of the season.
I don't know the specifics about whether the original clause had expired or anything like that, i'm not claiming to have seen the paperwork, or be mates with Remy's sister's husbands uncle or anything, i just know that if Newcastle want him, he's pretty much theirs... |
If just one club put in a bid, then yes, why would they bid over £8m? I wouldn't either.
However, what if two, three or more clubs were interested?
Let's say Newcatsle offer £8m, then Arsenal £9m then Man Utd £12m and so on? It then becomes an aution just like any other transfer.
Holloway, why is it Remy's choice? He's our player under contract to us. Surely we decide who we sell to if there are multiple bidders?
If Arsenal offer £8m then Southampton offers £12m but he doesn't want to go to St Mary's, can we not sell him to Southampton anyway?
Didn't M'bia come to us not really knowing who were were but because Marseille accpeted our offer, he came to us. Wasn't this also the same when Southampton bought Wanyama off Celtic? They were the highest bidder so they got hime. Celtic wouldn't sell to a lower bidder surely?
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| Remy on 10:31 - Nov 11 with 1182 views | Hunterhoop |
| Remy on 10:17 - Nov 11 by Juzzie |
If just one club put in a bid, then yes, why would they bid over £8m? I wouldn't either.
However, what if two, three or more clubs were interested?
Let's say Newcatsle offer £8m, then Arsenal £9m then Man Utd £12m and so on? It then becomes an aution just like any other transfer.
Holloway, why is it Remy's choice? He's our player under contract to us. Surely we decide who we sell to if there are multiple bidders?
If Arsenal offer £8m then Southampton offers £12m but he doesn't want to go to St Mary's, can we not sell him to Southampton anyway?
Didn't M'bia come to us not really knowing who were were but because Marseille accpeted our offer, he came to us. Wasn't this also the same when Southampton bought Wanyama off Celtic? They were the highest bidder so they got hime. Celtic wouldn't sell to a lower bidder surely?
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No. We can't.
We have to accept any offer of £8m all over regardless of whether the offer is £8m or £12m.
Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with.
The whole point of a minimum release clause is you only have to offer a certain amount, which contractually must be accepted allowing the player to speak to the bidder.
IF the clause exists, we will only get £8m unless Remy chooses someone who has offered more. He might do if his sign on fee is a % of the transfer fee, which is often the case.
But we can't impact it. |  | | |
| Remy on 10:47 - Nov 11 with 1161 views | Juzzie |
| Remy on 10:31 - Nov 11 by Hunterhoop |
No. We can't.
We have to accept any offer of £8m all over regardless of whether the offer is £8m or £12m.
Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with.
The whole point of a minimum release clause is you only have to offer a certain amount, which contractually must be accepted allowing the player to speak to the bidder.
IF the clause exists, we will only get £8m unless Remy chooses someone who has offered more. He might do if his sign on fee is a % of the transfer fee, which is often the case.
But we can't impact it. |
"Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with."
This is the bit I don't get. I've done a few searches in google and there have been many mentions of clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle) all triggering the release clause but there has been no mention that it's Remy's choice who he goes to.
If this is indeed the case then it is now completely 100% player power.
Why should QPR lose out on £millions just so he can choose, surely we should be able to sell to the highest bidder? | | | |
| Remy on 10:48 - Nov 11 with 1160 views | ElHoop |
No way would we get more than £8m if there's a release clause for that amount.
He could go to whoever he wants for £8m and if he's worth £15m to whoever want him then the other £7m would probably go to Remy and his agent as a signing on fee. |  | | |
| Remy on 10:49 - Nov 11 with 1158 views | Bushy |
| Remy on 10:31 - Nov 11 by Hunterhoop |
No. We can't.
We have to accept any offer of £8m all over regardless of whether the offer is £8m or £12m.
Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with.
The whole point of a minimum release clause is you only have to offer a certain amount, which contractually must be accepted allowing the player to speak to the bidder.
IF the clause exists, we will only get £8m unless Remy chooses someone who has offered more. He might do if his sign on fee is a % of the transfer fee, which is often the case.
But we can't impact it. |
Didn't JK say in one of his first interviews after joining Toons that Remy has no buyout Clause | | | |
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| Remy on 11:42 - Nov 11 with 1122 views | Jeff |
| Remy on 10:47 - Nov 11 by Juzzie |
"Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with."
This is the bit I don't get. I've done a few searches in google and there have been many mentions of clubs (Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle) all triggering the release clause but there has been no mention that it's Remy's choice who he goes to.
If this is indeed the case then it is now completely 100% player power.
Why should QPR lose out on £millions just so he can choose, surely we should be able to sell to the highest bidder? |
But, playing devils advocate, supposing Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all agree a fee with us, but Liverpool are only paying £50k a week whereas Newcastle are paying £100k a week, who do you expect him to chose? we can't force him to sign for the lower paying side...
It's not uncommon at all - Eden Hazard announced he was signing for Chelsea on twitter after negotiating with about four different premier league clubs at the same time - bids were accepted by Lille from all four.
a minimum fee clause is in place to convince a player that he won't be kept at a club against his will - a player of Remy's class only joined us in the first place because we put assorted clauses which meant that he could jump the moment that things went south at QPR... |  |
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| Remy on 11:52 - Nov 11 with 1110 views | Loft1979 |
| Remy on 11:42 - Nov 11 by Jeff |
But, playing devils advocate, supposing Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all agree a fee with us, but Liverpool are only paying £50k a week whereas Newcastle are paying £100k a week, who do you expect him to chose? we can't force him to sign for the lower paying side...
It's not uncommon at all - Eden Hazard announced he was signing for Chelsea on twitter after negotiating with about four different premier league clubs at the same time - bids were accepted by Lille from all four.
a minimum fee clause is in place to convince a player that he won't be kept at a club against his will - a player of Remy's class only joined us in the first place because we put assorted clauses which meant that he could jump the moment that things went south at QPR... |
Taking this in another direction:
- Could Remy play for US next year? Most likely not.
-But, the success Remy has had could help US secure players next year. The fact other teams have had top recruits languish on the bench will have to be considered. The fact Remy PLAYED at QPR and now N'castle has to help. |  | | |
| Remy on 11:58 - Nov 11 with 1102 views | pomanjou |
Only if he chose to do so (and assuming that a release clause still exists) | |
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| Remy on 12:12 - Nov 11 with 1091 views | Juzzie |
"But, playing devils advocate, supposing Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all agree a fee with us, but Liverpool are only paying £50k a week whereas Newcastle are paying £100k a week, who do you expect him to chose? we can't force him to sign for the lower paying side... "
That's true I guess and why player power is now so strong. We could lose £millions in transfer fees because a player can't possible survive on £50k a week! | | | |
| Remy on 12:24 - Nov 11 with 1074 views | TW_R |
| Remy on 12:12 - Nov 11 by Juzzie |
"But, playing devils advocate, supposing Liverpool, Arsenal and Newcastle all agree a fee with us, but Liverpool are only paying £50k a week whereas Newcastle are paying £100k a week, who do you expect him to chose? we can't force him to sign for the lower paying side... "
That's true I guess and why player power is now so strong. We could lose £millions in transfer fees because a player can't possible survive on £50k a week! |
So having read 2 pages of conjecture and pure speculation, I think it's fair to say no one on here has a f*cking scooby of what's in Remy's contract and how much we would likely get if we chose to sell him? |  | | |
| Remy on 12:27 - Nov 11 with 1070 views | simmo |
Why all the woe QPR stuff. If we didn't want to accept 8milion, we shouldnt have included that clause. The fact is if we didnt put all sorts of caveats in place that included the opportunity for him to jump ship if he wanted, we wouldnt have got him in the first place.
He is too good for us, we got him as a gamble to try to score the goals to keep us up, it didnt work, now he is where he belongs which is the top level of English football. He should be at a bigger club than Newcastle TBH and I am sure any talk of 'keeping his options open' would have more to do with him wanting a move to an Arsenal or Tottenham over coming back to a newly promoted 18k ground in West London.
He is gone, if we end up getting more than 8mil than alls well and good, if not then so what, we find somebody else that is more inkeeping with our philosophy and works less like a 'well tuned race car' with money as a primary motivation. |  |
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| Remy on 12:37 - Nov 11 with 1034 views | Juzzie |
| Remy on 12:24 - Nov 11 by TW_R |
So having read 2 pages of conjecture and pure speculation, I think it's fair to say no one on here has a f*cking scooby of what's in Remy's contract and how much we would likely get if we chose to sell him? |
Yup, this is the umpteenth time there has been a 'Remy' thread about any possible sale and each time, after numerous pages, the conclusion is the same.... lots of thoughts, opinions, conjecture etc. but the reality is none of us know, and why should we unless the club tells us which they won't.
We'll only know what the deal is at the time of the sale and even then there may be the "undisclosed fee" mentioned so we may still never know. [Post edited 11 Nov 2013 12:42]
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| Remy on 13:14 - Nov 11 with 992 views | HollowayRanger |
| Remy on 10:31 - Nov 11 by Hunterhoop |
No. We can't.
We have to accept any offer of £8m all over regardless of whether the offer is £8m or £12m.
Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with.
The whole point of a minimum release clause is you only have to offer a certain amount, which contractually must be accepted allowing the player to speak to the bidder.
IF the clause exists, we will only get £8m unless Remy chooses someone who has offered more. He might do if his sign on fee is a % of the transfer fee, which is often the case.
But we can't impact it. |
cheers saved me the job 
most i can see us getting is 10 mill
2 from newcastle for the season loan
8 from another club activating the release clause
UNLESS we do go up and theres another clause that allows us to keep him on promotion? |  |
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| Remy on 13:23 - Nov 11 with 984 views | PinnerPaul |
| Remy on 23:03 - Nov 10 by HollowayRanger |
maybe because no one would want to buy a guy on a rape charge!
my guess is that it is £6 mill plus £2 mill for loan
if not why doesnt harry tony or someone come out and say remy is still a QPR player theres no fee agreed and that his future will be decided at the end of the season
all im hearing is silence which makes me think they know they are losing a star for peanuts |
How can HR/ TF comment when
a) There is the possible rape charge still o/s
b) We are in November so no one can go anywhere
c) why would THIS particular deal be done "in public"
In any case HR has already said he doesn't want the player back, hardly "silence" | | | |
| Remy on 13:47 - Nov 11 with 961 views | derbyhoop |
One additional thing on release clauses.
I remember Arsenal offering Liverpool 40,000,001 for Luis Suarez. This was sufficient to trigger a release clause. Where is Suarez now?
Any sale requires a willing buyer and a willing seller. Unless the deal with Newcastle is already guaranteed we could accept any bid higher than the release clause. But, as Liverpool showed, just because the release clause is triggered doesn't mean that a deal will go through. |  |
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| Remy on 13:49 - Nov 11 with 961 views | RblockPrior |
release clause will enable someone to get a right bargain! |  |
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| Remy on 13:59 - Nov 11 with 939 views | Jeff |
| Remy on 13:47 - Nov 11 by derbyhoop |
One additional thing on release clauses.
I remember Arsenal offering Liverpool 40,000,001 for Luis Suarez. This was sufficient to trigger a release clause. Where is Suarez now?
Any sale requires a willing buyer and a willing seller. Unless the deal with Newcastle is already guaranteed we could accept any bid higher than the release clause. But, as Liverpool showed, just because the release clause is triggered doesn't mean that a deal will go through. |
Hilariously, this wasn't a release clause with Suarez - if it was he would be an Arsenal player. The clause was to 'let Suarez know a formal bid had been made...'
so after weeks of d*cking around in the press, Arsenal bid £40m +£1, Liverpool, were obliged to tell Suarez that Arsenal were interested, they did so and then said 'No' to Arsenal. | |
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| Remy on 14:05 - Nov 11 with 927 views | RangersAreBack |
| Remy on 10:31 - Nov 11 by Hunterhoop |
No. We can't.
We have to accept any offer of £8m all over regardless of whether the offer is £8m or £12m.
Remy then gets to speak with each club and can choose who he wants to sign with.
The whole point of a minimum release clause is you only have to offer a certain amount, which contractually must be accepted allowing the player to speak to the bidder.
IF the clause exists, we will only get £8m unless Remy chooses someone who has offered more. He might do if his sign on fee is a % of the transfer fee, which is often the case.
But we can't impact it. |
Not necessarily, depends on the wording of the clause and whether it is still effective. As stated above, Arsenal offered £1 above Suarez's release clause but this didn't mean that Liverpool were obliged to sell. [Post edited 11 Nov 2013 14:06]
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| Remy on 14:08 - Nov 11 with 923 views | Juzzie |
Dose anyone on this forum actaully know the exact 100% terms & conditions of Remy's contract?
Or is it just educated guesses? | | | |
| Remy on 14:12 - Nov 11 with 917 views | RangersAreBack |
| Remy on 14:08 - Nov 11 by Juzzie |
Dose anyone on this forum actaully know the exact 100% terms & conditions of Remy's contract?
Or is it just educated guesses? |
Give me a minute to check the filing cabinet and i'll get back to you... | | | |
| Remy on 14:13 - Nov 11 with 915 views | TW_R |
| Remy on 14:08 - Nov 11 by Juzzie |
Dose anyone on this forum actaully know the exact 100% terms & conditions of Remy's contract?
Or is it just educated guesses? |
Nope and I would also add that unless anyone on here works in professional football or has worked dealing with transfers they are all pretty uneducated guesses. | | | |
| Remy on 14:18 - Nov 11 with 1163 views | RangersAreBack |
| Remy on 14:13 - Nov 11 by TW_R |
Nope and I would also add that unless anyone on here works in professional football or has worked dealing with transfers they are all pretty uneducated guesses. |
Disagree. By examining what facts we do know and marrying these to our circumstances, you can make a reasonably educated guess.
If we all had to be directly employed by the club for our opinions to carry weight then you may as well shut down this site. | | | |
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