| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? 10:29 - May 10 with 5223 views | ActonExile |
As a ST holder and a regular since 1979 ('kin hell) this team has the worst collective spirit i think i've seen, individually i think most would get into other championship sides but put them together and its the 'Anti Midas syndrome'.
Generally a mediocre team has a run of WLDDLWLDLWLWLDLW, we went WWWWW to LLLLL and it would appear that managers aren't necessarily the problem.
So my question is 'Is a DOF worth having and if so who?'
Rather than buying new players do we just buy a decent DOF(nothing against LF i don't know if he's a decent DOF or not) and start from scratch. |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 10:56 - May 10 with 5129 views | francisbowles |
I understand and support the reason that a DOF was brought in at the time. It seemed logical to appoint someone who knew the club and, it was stated at the time, had been 'getting the qualifications', whatever they are or that means.
However, do we still need one and more importantly, can we afford one?
Sorry about this link but they are a 'smallish' club who seem to have found a way of doing things that has made them really competitive. They don't seem to have a DOF or equivalent but have a CEO, as well as a COO who heads administration.
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/club/whos-who-at-luton-town/
for comparison
https://www.qpr.co.uk/club/staff-directory/
Is there such a thing as a CEO who knows football well enough to cover the 'DOF' role as well? | | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 11:09 - May 10 with 5096 views | TacticalR |
To DoF or not to DoF, that is the question. |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 11:17 - May 10 with 5075 views | daveB |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 10:56 - May 10 by francisbowles |
I understand and support the reason that a DOF was brought in at the time. It seemed logical to appoint someone who knew the club and, it was stated at the time, had been 'getting the qualifications', whatever they are or that means.
However, do we still need one and more importantly, can we afford one?
Sorry about this link but they are a 'smallish' club who seem to have found a way of doing things that has made them really competitive. They don't seem to have a DOF or equivalent but have a CEO, as well as a COO who heads administration.
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/club/whos-who-at-luton-town/
for comparison
https://www.qpr.co.uk/club/staff-directory/
Is there such a thing as a CEO who knows football well enough to cover the 'DOF' role as well? |
yeah if the CEo and chairman know what they are doing they could run it but not sure there is the knowledge or desire for our current chairman to do that
The whole need for us to have someone in the role is that the owners/board are on the other side of the world and don't want to run it day to day, plus when they did run it they made a mess of it |  | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 11:50 - May 10 with 5014 views | TacticalR |
Heaven preserve us from owners. | |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 12:19 - May 10 with 4927 views | ridethewave |
It's a necessity. The trouble lies in who does it, along with the running of the academy and other key positions. But something is clearly wrong with the entire system given this club's inept ability to bring any academy graduates through and the overall recruitment strategy. As Dave says, if the owners know what they are doing and are switched on that's one thing, but our owners aren't. |  | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 13:57 - May 10 with 4800 views | Esox_Lucius |
I would keep Les in the role until he has had a full season without FFP restrictions, such as we are about to have again next season bar a miracle, and see what he is capable of.
If he still doesn't oversee a level of success for the club (PO minimum?) then cast our net to see who we can get. Currently, he is trying to make a silk purse out of a rotten, half chewed pigs ear which is what losing £2m a month will do to a club.
Of more concern is what will he do about the fitness and conditioning team next season. There appears to be a serious oversight in that department this season. |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 14:09 - May 10 with 4771 views | sparkey |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 13:57 - May 10 by Esox_Lucius |
I would keep Les in the role until he has had a full season without FFP restrictions, such as we are about to have again next season bar a miracle, and see what he is capable of.
If he still doesn't oversee a level of success for the club (PO minimum?) then cast our net to see who we can get. Currently, he is trying to make a silk purse out of a rotten, half chewed pigs ear which is what losing £2m a month will do to a club.
Of more concern is what will he do about the fitness and conditioning team next season. There appears to be a serious oversight in that department this season. |
We will have FFP restrictions every single year until we get out of this league. | | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 14:35 - May 10 with 4701 views | stevec |
If you’re going to have a DOF never choose an ex pro footballer especially one from your own backyard.
They appoint their mates, they like to use agents they’re familiar with, basically they build a wall around themselves of vested interests that becomes virtually impenetrable.
The clown mafia have created a club within a club. The manager is isolated, even the board become isolated once the rots been allowed to set in. |  | | |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 14:40 - May 10 with 4688 views | Sonofpugwash |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 14:35 - May 10 by stevec |
If you’re going to have a DOF never choose an ex pro footballer especially one from your own backyard.
They appoint their mates, they like to use agents they’re familiar with, basically they build a wall around themselves of vested interests that becomes virtually impenetrable.
The clown mafia have created a club within a club. The manager is isolated, even the board become isolated once the rots been allowed to set in. |
Plus the added problem of sycophantic supporters. |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 14:53 - May 10 with 4655 views | Match82 |
Surely the answer is yes if they do what they're supposed to? I thought Les, and Lee, were doing a good job overall up until towards the end of the Warburton era. It wasnt popular but we were making the club sustainable for the future, had some quality youth players coming through (even if they were poached in the late teens rather than fully homegrown) and were committed to a style of football which was good to watch. Even after Warburton, we did the work in getting a manager in who complimented the style, just turns out we forgot to check on his actual qualities as a human.
Then somewhere, we decided fck it, let's go balls out for promotion, and it's been a sht show ever since. |  | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 16:59 - May 10 with 4516 views | terryb |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 13:57 - May 10 by Esox_Lucius |
I would keep Les in the role until he has had a full season without FFP restrictions, such as we are about to have again next season bar a miracle, and see what he is capable of.
If he still doesn't oversee a level of success for the club (PO minimum?) then cast our net to see who we can get. Currently, he is trying to make a silk purse out of a rotten, half chewed pigs ear which is what losing £2m a month will do to a club.
Of more concern is what will he do about the fitness and conditioning team next season. There appears to be a serious oversight in that department this season. |
Please let us know how we won't have FFP restrictions next season.
Simon & Clive, as well as others, have repeatedly pointed out that we will need to decrease our loss by at least £10 million to stay within the regulations. | | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 18:35 - May 10 with 4415 views | numptydumpty |
We need to have a DoF for the only reason valid which is so everyone on hear can spout venom and dross about what a waste of time it is.
It's sole importance is in the fact that we all know best and we always need to have a target man or woman to dump all our stresses and strains on and therein lies its ultimate purpose !!!! 🤣 🤣
I still personally like Les even if it seems his actual job performance is bit s**t, he is still one my all time rangers heroes !! |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 09:41 - May 11 with 4126 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 16:59 - May 10 by terryb |
Please let us know how we won't have FFP restrictions next season.
Simon & Clive, as well as others, have repeatedly pointed out that we will need to decrease our loss by at least £10 million to stay within the regulations. |
Those are the restrictions I was talking about, all and any money will be going towards avoiding a breach of the regulations. The only glimmer of hope is to sell enough players to cover the gap and then rinse & repeat until we have built up the maximum £39m allowed for a big spend up, unless Rick Parry gets his way and a salary cap is introduced to the Championship. | |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 09:56 - May 11 with 4112 views | RangersDave |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 09:41 - May 11 by Esox_Lucius |
Those are the restrictions I was talking about, all and any money will be going towards avoiding a breach of the regulations. The only glimmer of hope is to sell enough players to cover the gap and then rinse & repeat until we have built up the maximum £39m allowed for a big spend up, unless Rick Parry gets his way and a salary cap is introduced to the Championship. |
Apart from the owners,
There are 2 big problems causing Rangers such angst at the moment
1st is the DOF, who, to me doesnt and never has been, any good for 500k a year, and
2nd, Ramsey! He was crap as a manager and seems to not have improved anything since he got sacked (remember that? how many teams will sack a manager and give him a job with responsibility within the same club?).
Like i said elsewhere, whats needed is a root and branch culling of everyone right down to physio's etc as we seem to be crap in that department too. |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 11:49 - May 11 with 4046 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 12:06 - May 11 with 4011 views | Benny_the_Ball |
It's only worth having a DoF if (a) the club stick with the plan (as opposed to allowing Beale to bring in his own players) and (b) the incumbent has the qualities to do the job (Les doesn't). |  | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 13:05 - May 11 with 3975 views | OakR |
Whatevevr the actual title, we need a strategy of sorts based on our financial situation / budget. The fundamental things though remains that if we change manager, we should not have to change half the squad to suit a new style of play, as that is expensive as well as time consuming, meaning you are set-back each time.
We should use statistics to highlight areas we perform badly that are not visible to the naked eye so we can improve the squad year on year. Buying old / young / loans for me doesn't matter as long as we improve. If you get good loans in, others will likely raise their game, same with older players. not everyone signing has to be someone young who we can sell on like Eze, older players can help develop those younger players and take some of the pressure off them.
I'm less fussed about the academy, I think it's very hard, especially without CAT1 status, to find and retain the best young players.
If you were recruiting for a DOF now, I'm worried the owners might not even know what to look for - I feel like / hope they'd get an proper agency in to help recruit them and help them build the correct profile.
If you built a list of requirements for a DOF, would Les, or potential replacements you could afford, meet them. I guess that's the question, and for Les, how he has performed against whatever targets were set. | |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 13:37 - May 11 with 3931 views | SimonJames |
I don't know if we need one, but if we do, then it's clearly not Sir Les.
How far has our capacity as a football club improved in the last 10 years? |  |
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 15:37 - May 11 with 3784 views | BklynRanger |
Before we make a decision on the DoF role the board need to have a serious conversation on how the next 5 years will look.
I think the financial pressures have made it extremely hard for them to stick to a particular plan. The Eze situation gave everyone hope so they pushed that for a while. Then the bottom fell out of the market and we didn't seem to have any more Ezes hanging around anyway. So they gave Warbs what he wanted in terms of personnel and went for promotion, because maybe that was within reach and would solve everything.
That didn't work and may have created some friction (though not on its own) so they moved Warbs on, tried to go back to the development model but achieved neither - ended up with players that are worth fcuk all, no pipeline/pathway/microwave, and no hint of a promotion push.
So they've now torn it all up and gone for Wild Thing. Assuming they're sticking with him how does that change the approach? Which qualities are they now looking to prioritise? Graft, character, physicality? If that's the case which plan is that?
To me it looks like we've started to lean a lot more towards short term survival, then start to try to work our way back towards a play-off push in years 2 / 3, and if we somehow find another Eze along the way so much the better. It's all pretty chaotic and the people at the top need to decide what way to go, and how to make everyone stick to it in the years to come. Otherwise a new DoF won't make any difference. |  | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 15:56 - May 11 with 3752 views | E15Hoop |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 15:37 - May 11 by BklynRanger |
Before we make a decision on the DoF role the board need to have a serious conversation on how the next 5 years will look.
I think the financial pressures have made it extremely hard for them to stick to a particular plan. The Eze situation gave everyone hope so they pushed that for a while. Then the bottom fell out of the market and we didn't seem to have any more Ezes hanging around anyway. So they gave Warbs what he wanted in terms of personnel and went for promotion, because maybe that was within reach and would solve everything.
That didn't work and may have created some friction (though not on its own) so they moved Warbs on, tried to go back to the development model but achieved neither - ended up with players that are worth fcuk all, no pipeline/pathway/microwave, and no hint of a promotion push.
So they've now torn it all up and gone for Wild Thing. Assuming they're sticking with him how does that change the approach? Which qualities are they now looking to prioritise? Graft, character, physicality? If that's the case which plan is that?
To me it looks like we've started to lean a lot more towards short term survival, then start to try to work our way back towards a play-off push in years 2 / 3, and if we somehow find another Eze along the way so much the better. It's all pretty chaotic and the people at the top need to decide what way to go, and how to make everyone stick to it in the years to come. Otherwise a new DoF won't make any difference. |
I make you right on that last point. DR.
I remember Lee Hoos saying a few years ago whilst Ollie was here that they had 3 plans at that time: A plan for promotion to the premier League (looking particularly unlikely at that time), A plan for survival in the Championship (this being the year that we stayed up by beating Nottingham Forest on the last day) and a plan for relegation to League One.
I imagine the reason for bringing in GA was that they tried to get a jump on things, took the worst case scenario and thought that at least GA and RD would be in the best position to start from virtually ground zero.
In other words, imagine that next season would be the equivalent of us having just got promoted from League One and you're probably about us close to how they see the shape of the current squad plus the direction of travel of the profile of new faces arriving. | | | |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 18:38 - May 12 with 3536 views | davman |
| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 12:19 - May 10 by ridethewave |
It's a necessity. The trouble lies in who does it, along with the running of the academy and other key positions. But something is clearly wrong with the entire system given this club's inept ability to bring any academy graduates through and the overall recruitment strategy. As Dave says, if the owners know what they are doing and are switched on that's one thing, but our owners aren't. |
It's only a necessity if you want to maintain an Academy that, surely, must have cost more than it has raked in?
I could not care about QPR U8s or U18s or this ridiculously heralded B team. I care about the first team. If the Academy is not producing at least one sellable asset every other year, it is a waste of any investment. As far as I see things, our U18s are shite, our u23s are shite, our B team is shite and they are mimicking our first team.
The moment we get a Bowler, a Furlong or a Stirling, they up and leave for little money. It is NOT producing.
We have more coaches employed than Millwall; it is utter overkill. Look at the bench and extended bench every freekin' week and ask wtf do they all do?
So, no, the DOF is a distraction and is not needed, especially our brand of DoF. Establish and maintain a strategy and blueprint for the club then watch as we rip it up to have a bit of a gamble, but being QPR, it's not a proper gamble as we do not want to break the rules, so it's not enough to change our fortunes on the pitch, but it is enough to screw our future to the point where we need to find £10m from a squad whose value has gone through the floor.
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| Is a DOF worth having and if so who? on 19:10 - May 12 with 3483 views | Rangersw12 |
What about Steve Gallen as DOF seems to have done a reasonable job at bat sht crazy Charlton plus is well respected within youth development and did a good job with us before the youth had some money spent on it
Would also like Jim Frayling as CEO but Hoos seems to be teflon man | | | |
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