| Ashes Thread 23:09 - Nov 16 with 19958 views | Dale92 |
Seeming we are about a week away from the first test. Think its time to get the thread going as im getting fed up of reading about bURY for the past week. Aussies have announced their squad. Bancroft gets the nod over Renshaw as opener- he only got one century in div 2 last year. Tim Paine is back and so it Shaun Marsh. For the Aussies its hardly forminable and Khajawa is in their.
Meanwhile, are boys are playing a 3rf rate team but seem to be doing ok bar Vince. Overton looks promising and Woakes looks like he ready to take on the challange-vice captain anyone?
We can only expect flat, bouncey pitches. Id wish wed have giving foakes a go with bairstow at 3 in the warm up games. I dont think well ever need 2 spinners in Aus. Would have also liked to see us play a decent team before the 1st test..a NZ A team or something wpuld have helped.
Im going for a series draw. [Post edited 16 Nov 2017 23:14]
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| Ashes Thread on 10:07 - Dec 14 with 2184 views | dingdangblue |
| Ashes Thread on 08:15 - Dec 8 by dingdangblue |
An Ashes test in Australia is most probably one of the toughest tests for an English batsman - I'm sure I heard on the radio the other day that Vince,Stoneman and Malan don't have a test century between them? Surely this is a first for an England touring side in Australia? |
Well you can put that to bed!
Well played Dawid Malan - superb knock and well supported by Johnny Bairstow! Hopefully a big 500 1st innings in the offing. |  |
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| Ashes Thread on 15:13 - Dec 14 with 2081 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 09:49 - Dec 14 by D_Alien |
Get in Malan!
Rode his luck a couple of times but looks the real deal
150+ partnership with Bairstow |
Well done. Let’s hope for more good batting tomorrow. |  |
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| Ashes Thread on 15:30 - Dec 14 with 2070 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ashes Thread on 10:07 - Dec 14 by dingdangblue |
Well you can put that to bed!
Well played Dawid Malan - superb knock and well supported by Johnny Bairstow! Hopefully a big 500 1st innings in the offing. |
I think we'll need 500. Did I dream it or did we once declare on over 500 and still lost the game ? |  | | |
| Ashes Thread on 16:11 - Dec 14 with 2033 views | Daley_Lama |
| Ashes Thread on 15:30 - Dec 14 by mingthemerciless |
I think we'll need 500. Did I dream it or did we once declare on over 500 and still lost the game ? |
2006 series: 2nd test having lost the first test.
Batted first 551/6 declared - Collingwood double century. England lost and ended up being whitewashed in what is deemed a catastrophic test series.
Shouldn't have lost that one and in the 4th test, having been bowled out for 159 we had Australia at 84-5. Andrew Symonds was then as plumb as plumb could be but Aleem Dar (yes, him) decided not to raise the finger.
The Brummie and Hayden then put on a 280 run partnership and the game was lost. [Post edited 14 Dec 2017 16:12]
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| Ashes Thread on 05:32 - Dec 15 with 1945 views | Nigeriamark |
| Ashes Thread on 09:59 - Dec 14 by Nigeriamark |
Best day by far & desperately needed. Really need to push beyond 400+ to have a good chance of winning and get real momentum for the next 2 games. A draw is no good,
A major collapse tomorrow undoes all the work done today so need the tail to try to hang around while we still have decent batters there |
The tail not hanging around is getting to predictable. 6 wickets for 35 runs after 364 for 4
Has stopped a decent score becoming a very good and potentially game winning score. However it's game on if we can do something with the new ball |  | | |
| Ashes Thread on 09:09 - Dec 15 with 1910 views | dingdangblue |
| Ashes Thread on 05:32 - Dec 15 by Nigeriamark |
The tail not hanging around is getting to predictable. 6 wickets for 35 runs after 364 for 4
Has stopped a decent score becoming a very good and potentially game winning score. However it's game on if we can do something with the new ball |
At least moving Bairstow up the order meant he made a century (very valuable runs) and he wasn't left not out wondering what if. Still very poor that at the end. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 10:11 - Dec 15 with 1881 views | mingthemerciless |
Very disappointing but totally expected collapse at the end ruined what could have been a match winning effort. | | | |
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| Ashes Thread on 12:52 - Dec 15 with 1814 views | D_Alien |
After defending our batsmen against the criticism of not achieving what would've been a historic total on the final day in Adelaide, this time i'm bloody annoyed at the way Malan - 140no and after a whole shedload of skill and grafting - threw his wicket away when there was a huge total still to be built. It opened the door to the tail and the Aussie quicks - who were starting to look jaded - took full advantage
Maybe, having mentioned the mental side of the game in his recent interviews, he'd got to the end of his current capacity to concentrate, and it'd be churlish to be too harsh but it's to be hoped he'll learn from it (he did the same in the first test when we were establishing a good position)
Smith needs to be dismissed early doors. He won't grow tired, and we need to learn from him, Root included. If we get him early tomorrow, we've still got a chance
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| Ashes Thread on 02:09 - Dec 16 with 1732 views | kiwidale |
once again we surrendered a dominant position. We just not got the mental application or maybe just not good enough. Roots captancy credentials are looking less and less like what a leader should be, If Smith gets a big ton and I think he will England will lose this match just like the first two it could get very embarrassing after that. [Post edited 16 Dec 2017 2:12]
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| Ashes Thread on 08:50 - Dec 16 with 1694 views | ColDale |
Fantastic geeky stat
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| Ashes Thread on 09:16 - Dec 16 with 1682 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ashes Thread on 02:09 - Dec 16 by kiwidale |
once again we surrendered a dominant position. We just not got the mental application or maybe just not good enough. Roots captancy credentials are looking less and less like what a leader should be, If Smith gets a big ton and I think he will England will lose this match just like the first two it could get very embarrassing after that. [Post edited 16 Dec 2017 2:12]
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I'd say nearly every player has under achieved so far on this tour. Bearing that in mind it was only ever going to end one way. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 10:02 - Dec 16 with 1661 views | Nigeriamark |
| Ashes Thread on 09:16 - Dec 16 by mingthemerciless |
I'd say nearly every player has under achieved so far on this tour. Bearing that in mind it was only ever going to end one way. |
Absolutely mullered today. As 1 sided a days cricket as you will ever see
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| Ashes Thread on 10:35 - Dec 16 with 1637 views | downunder |
| Ashes Thread on 12:52 - Dec 15 by D_Alien |
After defending our batsmen against the criticism of not achieving what would've been a historic total on the final day in Adelaide, this time i'm bloody annoyed at the way Malan - 140no and after a whole shedload of skill and grafting - threw his wicket away when there was a huge total still to be built. It opened the door to the tail and the Aussie quicks - who were starting to look jaded - took full advantage
Maybe, having mentioned the mental side of the game in his recent interviews, he'd got to the end of his current capacity to concentrate, and it'd be churlish to be too harsh but it's to be hoped he'll learn from it (he did the same in the first test when we were establishing a good position)
Smith needs to be dismissed early doors. He won't grow tired, and we need to learn from him, Root included. If we get him early tomorrow, we've still got a chance
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Root can use that as his pre session motivational speech. Again. |  | | |
| Ashes Thread on 10:42 - Dec 16 with 1628 views | mingthemerciless |
We play too much dumb cricket I'm afraid. Just like in the past the Rugby League team played too much dumb rugby against them. The Aussies just apply the pressure and wait for the inevitable errors of judgement. We beat ourselves at times, they never do that. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 10:59 - Dec 16 with 1615 views | D_Alien |
| Ashes Thread on 02:09 - Dec 16 by kiwidale |
once again we surrendered a dominant position. We just not got the mental application or maybe just not good enough. Roots captancy credentials are looking less and less like what a leader should be, If Smith gets a big ton and I think he will England will lose this match just like the first two it could get very embarrassing after that. [Post edited 16 Dec 2017 2:12]
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Smith's test average is second only to Bradman, he's on his home turf with a superior bowling attack in these conditions
Root will be (and looks) mortified, but it's a pretty cheap shot to question him as a leader in these circumstances
Cook lost 5-0 last time after winning the series in England 3-0. Root deserves to be judged as captain over the same span of series
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| Ashes Thread on 11:01 - Dec 16 with 1603 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ashes Thread on 10:59 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
Smith's test average is second only to Bradman, he's on his home turf with a superior bowling attack in these conditions
Root will be (and looks) mortified, but it's a pretty cheap shot to question him as a leader in these circumstances
Cook lost 5-0 last time after winning the series in England 3-0. Root deserves to be judged as captain over the same span of series
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It's not just his captaincy that's problematical. The situation has got to his batting as well.
I can see this Test and the series being over and the Ashes gone by the time I turn the radio on tomorrow morning. [Post edited 16 Dec 2017 11:03]
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| Ashes Thread on 11:06 - Dec 16 with 1590 views | D_Alien |
| Ashes Thread on 11:01 - Dec 16 by mingthemerciless |
It's not just his captaincy that's problematical. The situation has got to his batting as well.
I can see this Test and the series being over and the Ashes gone by the time I turn the radio on tomorrow morning. [Post edited 16 Dec 2017 11:03]
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I'm not disputing his batting may temporarily be affected, but I don't see his captaincy as being problematical in the first place. As I said, it's just an easy shot to make right now, when he more than deserves a longer perspective to be taken
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| Ashes Thread on 11:31 - Dec 16 with 1539 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ashes Thread on 11:06 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
I'm not disputing his batting may temporarily be affected, but I don't see his captaincy as being problematical in the first place. As I said, it's just an easy shot to make right now, when he more than deserves a longer perspective to be taken
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I don't think any other current player would be a better bet as captain. We've been thoroughly outclassed as a group of players almost from the start. If things carry on in the same vein, and I think they will, it could well be another 5-0. Obviously Stokes has contributed nothing as has Moen Ali. They were our two International class all rounders. Taking players of that stature out of any team would create a massive hole. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 11:31 - Dec 16 with 1539 views | ColDale |
The only thing that can save England now is if Smith gets a sniff of the world record. If he's out early tomorrow, they'll swing the bat, get a lead of 350 plus and spend five sessions trying to get us out. They'll fancy their chances of doing us in three sessions, so if Smith gets a chance of the world record, I think his team mates will convince him to stay out there and go for it. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 12:10 - Dec 16 with 1498 views | Nafelad |
Just wondering . . .
If Stokes had been an Aussie, would the Australian Cricket Board have banned him from playing in the test team? Or would they have used the 'innocent until proven guilty' case and allowed him to play? |  |
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| Ashes Thread on 12:11 - Dec 16 with 1496 views | mingthemerciless |
| Ashes Thread on 12:10 - Dec 16 by Nafelad |
Just wondering . . .
If Stokes had been an Aussie, would the Australian Cricket Board have banned him from playing in the test team? Or would they have used the 'innocent until proven guilty' case and allowed him to play? |
I think we both know the answer to that one. | | | |
| Ashes Thread on 14:22 - Dec 16 with 1432 views | 1mark1 |
| Ashes Thread on 12:11 - Dec 16 by mingthemerciless |
I think we both know the answer to that one. |
Indeed they would have rightly played him, if the player himself felt up to it. Obviously thosse patriots at the Mail and Sun “news”papers would have screeched how wrong it was to play Stokes, while doing all they could to have undermining him and the whole team. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 18:02 - Dec 16 with 1394 views | kiwidale |
| Ashes Thread on 11:31 - Dec 16 by ColDale |
The only thing that can save England now is if Smith gets a sniff of the world record. If he's out early tomorrow, they'll swing the bat, get a lead of 350 plus and spend five sessions trying to get us out. They'll fancy their chances of doing us in three sessions, so if Smith gets a chance of the world record, I think his team mates will convince him to stay out there and go for it. |
They wont need to try very hard to get us out we will do that ourselves. All the Aussies need to do us watch us implode no effort needed on their part. | |
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| Ashes Thread on 18:44 - Dec 16 with 1374 views | kiwidale |
| Ashes Thread on 10:59 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
Smith's test average is second only to Bradman, he's on his home turf with a superior bowling attack in these conditions
Root will be (and looks) mortified, but it's a pretty cheap shot to question him as a leader in these circumstances
Cook lost 5-0 last time after winning the series in England 3-0. Root deserves to be judged as captain over the same span of series
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Smith without doubt is a class above probably better than Bradman and I know its subjective maybe Bradman could adapt to the modern game? as Im sure Smith would be every bit as good if not better playing in Bradmans era and yes I understand the argument in regards to uncovered wickets.
Why is it a cheap shot to question Roots leadership? these are the very circumstances where you need a leader and a fighter in the mold of Brian Close, a captain who the players can look to for example. Give me Strauss Botham Pieteresen not necessarily captains but leaders nevertheless. Cook captained a very good side well and a bad side abysmally. Why is it that Aussie captains thrive in the role and ours wilt? The list of great Aussie captains is as long as ours is short. Australia usually appoint their best batsman as capt and they flourish Steve Waugh Allan Border Michael Clarke Bill Lawry Ian Chapple Greg Chapple Mark Taylor Ricky Ponting and now Steve Smith. Name me a comparative list of England captains? Australia have had 22 post war captains as opposed to England's 41 why? because Aussie captains usually batsmen flourish in the role whereas ours don't. Just why that is lost on me but Root need to get back to what hes good at scoring runs and leave the captaincy to????? | |
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