| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share 13:25 - Jun 6 with 5619 views | JonDoeman |
QPR chief executive Philip Beard admits the club cannot afford to build a new stadium without incorporating a cinema, restaurant or casino - or even ground share with a team from another sport.
Rangers are looking to move out of Loftus Road, which is the smallest ground in the Premier League, and are attempting to identify a site near their current west London home.
But Beard admits the club has to have a bigger fanbase before they can even consider moving - and says that a football-only stadium would not work.
And the man who oversaw the transformation of the Millenium Dome into the 02 has refused to rule out other clubs playing at the stadium, with Fulham and London Wasps both having called Loftus Road home in the past.
"To have a stand-alone football stadium that only hosts 19 home domestic matches a season would probably not make the numbers work," he said.
"What is important is that it is the home of QPR but it will need to have facilities to do other things as well.
If we are serious about building a new stadium we need to grow our fanbase and engage with young people and the community– Philip Beard
"A full-on ground-share is more challenging, but I am hoping to emulate an entertainment destination model where you roll the pitch away and use it for other things.
"Look at the Emirates hosting Coldplay for three nights - that is the sort of activity you need to host to generate the revenues to make the club sustainable and ultimately invest in the team going forward.
"But the criteria is that we need to find somewhere that hopefully isn't too far from Loftus Road.
"Our fanbase is a very passionate, loyal and local fanbase. We need to stay in the area if we can and that is almost a must."
But Beard first wants to make the club a force both in the Premier League and Europe so that more supporters are attracted to the terraces.
Rangers survived on the final day last season but Beard knows an average attendance of 17,295 needs to be improved significantly.
He added: "We need to build our fanbase. We have a capacity of 18,500 at Loftus Road and I think we could fill a significantly higher number of seats here.
"If we are serious about building a new stadium we need to grow our fanbase and engage with young people and the community and become a club that is not just known in London and around Europe but further afield.
"That takes time but it is exciting and is a challenge building a brand, growing a fanbase. That is something I am hoping I can challenge the guys off the pitch to help us with.
"QPR stands for so many good things that if we can get the messages out there we will start to see the blue and white Hoops further afield than west London."
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/120606/qpr-chief- [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:39 - Jun 6 with 1279 views | Gloucs_R |
I think there is an element of bluff going on here. If the club want to attract top quality players then they need to tell them about the new training ground and stadium. Beard has already mentioned this in interviews. Which makes me think we he has come out and said this. I can only think of 2 reasons - 1) to sell more ST's or 2) to position a stadium not quite in W12 |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:48 - Jun 6 with 1266 views | stansleftfoot |
I agree, i think this is a gentle approach at public relations. The actual purchase or leasing of a piece of land with transport and parking infrastructure in Hammersmith and Fulham is going to be difficult enough, but after the archaeologists, de-toxing and planners have messed about you've then got another two years of building, we have Stadium builders on this site who know to detail how complex it would be.
But is it any easier than persuading 40000 (my guess) QPR fan's that it's for the Clubs good to share with Chelsea until they move to Battersea and STAMFORD BRIDGE then becomes the home of Queens Park Rangers.
All guess work but i would think the top corner of the Scrubs would suit admirably and start now..... |  | | |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:55 - Jun 6 with 1253 views | WestActon |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:27 - Jun 6 by stansleftfoot |
If you know the area, the Nick is not a large space compared to the Scrubs, Old Oak Common and College Park, there's almost enough space on the derelict rail sidings up by the Western Avenue, that's all still Hammersmith.
Some of those Industrial sites on the Southside of the Western Avenue are completely run down and partially occupied....i reckon we could find enough acres up there... |
There are a huge plans already in motion for the sidings at the back of the Scrubs and old Oak Common as there developing 'Park Royal City'. I believe H&F have already approved he plan and building has started | | | |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:58 - Jun 6 with 1247 views | wombat |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:48 - Jun 6 by stansleftfoot |
I agree, i think this is a gentle approach at public relations. The actual purchase or leasing of a piece of land with transport and parking infrastructure in Hammersmith and Fulham is going to be difficult enough, but after the archaeologists, de-toxing and planners have messed about you've then got another two years of building, we have Stadium builders on this site who know to detail how complex it would be.
But is it any easier than persuading 40000 (my guess) QPR fan's that it's for the Clubs good to share with Chelsea until they move to Battersea and STAMFORD BRIDGE then becomes the home of Queens Park Rangers.
All guess work but i would think the top corner of the Scrubs would suit admirably and start now..... |
Scrubs is government owned land so would take ages to get anything built on there
The beef plot by the a40 has been sold recently as has the dirty crest site near west fields .
If they want to stay local the main bbc building is going tone vacant in a couple of years but some of it is listed.
If they build a new ground with what they say they need to make it profitable the BBC site is perfect enough room for a ground at the back and a hotel leisure complex held within the main donut building , that won't come cheap though , think BBC want 300 million for that site so a partnership with a top hotel leisure chain is a must to make it viable . The other plus side of this site is we can stay put at LR until it's built prob 5 years plus prob 6/7 years in reality .
Do they want to pump money into the club for that amount of time to keep us a viable prem side who knows or will they say let's share with somebody raise gates then move ?
I hope we stay local the board keep stating how important that is to them lets hope they actually mean it . |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 19:58 - Jun 6 with 1247 views | DWQPR |
I know for a fact that a feasibility study was sanctioned a few years ago by Briatore and the only suitable site for redevelopment was the Linford Christie Stadium behind Hammersmith Hospital. I suspect that this would still remain the favoured site as it will remain very close to the transport links, which if the club are looking for alternative entertainments then getting to and from the new stadium would be vital. The old goods yard at Old Oak Common would be too far for the train stations and Wormwood Scrubs cannot be built on as it is Crown land and does not belong to H&F Council. I feel that the club do still want to remain in W12 especially as the area is increasing in popularity with the advent of Westfields and the second to none transport links. | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:02 - Jun 6 with 1243 views | Gloucs_R |
What would everyones reaction be to Warren Farm? | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:06 - Jun 6 with 1237 views | wombat |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:02 - Jun 6 by Gloucs_R |
What would everyones reaction be to Warren Farm? |
Warren farm ain't gonna happen no transport infrastructure there Big enough to handle 40k+ each game . Site isn't big enough anyway for a decent size stadium
There is one block of land of the a40 at hanger lane which is big enough next to the new Guinness building but don't see it happening there as the club keeps stating they want us to be local
DW main reason I can't see the lindord Christine site being a goer is the hospital next to it , the local roads couldn't handle the amount of extra traffic and add to that a busy local hospital being next to the ground ,think that would rule linford Christie site out also Hammersmith is a pretty important hospital in the area so access is a main concern for them for emergencys [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:09 - Jun 6 with 1230 views | Gloucs_R |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:06 - Jun 6 by wombat |
Warren farm ain't gonna happen no transport infrastructure there Big enough to handle 40k+ each game . Site isn't big enough anyway for a decent size stadium
There is one block of land of the a40 at hanger lane which is big enough next to the new Guinness building but don't see it happening there as the club keeps stating they want us to be local
DW main reason I can't see the lindord Christine site being a goer is the hospital next to it , the local roads couldn't handle the amount of extra traffic and add to that a busy local hospital being next to the ground ,think that would rule linford Christie site out also Hammersmith is a pretty important hospital in the area so access is a main concern for them for emergencys [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Looks massive on the map. A few new roads and you can walk to the train station or tube station in less than a mile | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:17 - Jun 6 with 1224 views | stansleftfoot |
I never knew The Crown owned WS, but it kind of show's the complexity of a deal this size. Its a problem there to be solved and i guess it starts to require as much political weight and diplomacy as money.
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:31 - Jun 6 with 1207 views | WestActon |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:17 - Jun 6 by stansleftfoot |
I never knew The Crown owned WS, but it kind of show's the complexity of a deal this size. Its a problem there to be solved and i guess it starts to require as much political weight and diplomacy as money.
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The Government is broke and looking to raise money any way they can. If their made a serious offer they will consider it. Next problem is getting the land to be used for something else as is it not protected at the current time??? | | | |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 20:44 - Jun 6 with 1196 views | stansleftfoot |
http://londonbirders.wikia.com/wiki/Wormwood_Scrubs
Seem's most of it is a nature reserve....the Nick is a grade two listed building...it just goes on....does make you wonder what will happen to the Club and why on earth businessmen bought it.....its both worrying and comforting because there is no short term money making exit route....is there? | | | |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 21:13 - Jun 6 with 1170 views | WestActon |
The old BBC worldwide site on the opposite side of the unigate was the perfect location as there was loads of land. Now being converted into student housing | | | |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 21:22 - Jun 6 with 1162 views | kensalriser |
Hey a new stadium thread. Awesome!
Can't we just post up all the gazillion contributions to previous New Stadium threads to save us all a bit of time? |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 21:25 - Jun 6 with 1158 views | Gloucs_R |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 21:22 - Jun 6 by kensalriser |
Hey a new stadium thread. Awesome!
Can't we just post up all the gazillion contributions to previous New Stadium threads to save us all a bit of time? |
This board would be dead if it wasnt for Joey Barton and the search for a new ground.........
Sounds like a movie..... | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 21:33 - Jun 6 with 1148 views | derbyhoop |
The sharing option makes sense, but who with. Wasps were happy in high wycombe until they started sliding. Saracens might be more likely. Not many other sports can attract 25,000, so it could .mean multi usage.
When will be down to league status, site availability and a waiting list for Season tickets. |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 08:06 - Jun 7 with 1120 views | timcocking |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 16:00 - Jun 6 by HollowayRanger |
dont see what the problem is with building a 30-40,000 stadium one end fulham colours one end QPR and two main stands some kind of netual colour or rows of white/ blue/ black/ seats
stadium name would be sponsered by a company so no arguing about stadium name and but it could be known as the
WEST LONDON STADIUM home to QPR and foolham if we shared it |
I have to say i'd be absolutely gutted to have to share with any other team, particularly Fulham. |  | | |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 08:37 - Jun 7 with 1107 views | wombat |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 08:06 - Jun 7 by timcocking |
I have to say i'd be absolutely gutted to have to share with any other team, particularly Fulham. |
Dont think we actually need to share with fulham or anyone to be honest , we build a multi use stadium , simples , maybe some sort of roof as well then the ground can be used for whatever they deem fit , concerrts during the summer , boxing , any sort of event , tap on a hotel alongside and maybe some flats and thats half the build cost done for a new ground .
BBC site is the site to go for but will take big bucks to land . dont forget big bernie bought some whareouses towards the bottom of wood lane connecting to the BBC not that long ago , always wondered why he did that !! | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 08:38 - Jun 7 with 1106 views | Konk |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 16:41 - Jun 6 by QPR_Jim |
I don't see that a ground share is a particularly good idea to be honest, multi-purpose yes, ground share no. Like you say you half the cost of the build but then you don't gain anything from (for arguments sake) Fulhams involvement as they will keep their ticket sales. Also we would allow a close rival in terms of league position and stature to grow as well. Their shameless under-pricing to fill their stadium would result in any neutrals/tourists opting to go to their games rather than ours so we would suffer.
I think we would be better off in the long run looking for non-footballing options such as events or having some sort of partners. |
"Their shameless under-pricing to fill their stadium would result in any neutrals/tourists opting to go to their games rather than ours so we would suffer."
Shameless under-pricing?! I thought everyone was agreed that football was too expensive these days? Surely offering some sort of reasonably sane value for money is a good thing? As far as our prices are concerned, a lot of our season-tickets are good value (about £27-30 a game on average for most seats in the Hammersmith End - rising to almost a grand for the middle of the Riverside), but our walk-up, game-by-game prices range from £30-49+ booking fee for the cheapest seats and go up to £70-odd - not my idea of "shamelessly under-priced", although I reckon our Marketing team would be happy to quote you! It's these prices that the tourists pay. Once or twice a year, season-ticket holders can get an extra ticket for £5-10 for a few blocks in the Putney End for something like Wigan/WBA/Blackburn at home in midweek - which doesn't benefit tourists unless they know someone with a s/t.
I can't see us moving out to groundshare - there was huge opposition when Al Fayed mooted moving us up to the Dairy Crest site during our share with you, and if we get planning permission to redevelop the Riverside, a 30,000 capacity will do us fine in the Prem, without being soul-destroyingly empty in the event of our inevitable relegation at some point down the line. When most of our support lives in SW London and Surrey, it would make no sense for us to move out to your catchment area - assuming you have to move - we'd lose a massive chunk of our support by doing that. |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 09:34 - Jun 7 with 1079 views | loftboy |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 08:38 - Jun 7 by Konk |
"Their shameless under-pricing to fill their stadium would result in any neutrals/tourists opting to go to their games rather than ours so we would suffer."
Shameless under-pricing?! I thought everyone was agreed that football was too expensive these days? Surely offering some sort of reasonably sane value for money is a good thing? As far as our prices are concerned, a lot of our season-tickets are good value (about £27-30 a game on average for most seats in the Hammersmith End - rising to almost a grand for the middle of the Riverside), but our walk-up, game-by-game prices range from £30-49+ booking fee for the cheapest seats and go up to £70-odd - not my idea of "shamelessly under-priced", although I reckon our Marketing team would be happy to quote you! It's these prices that the tourists pay. Once or twice a year, season-ticket holders can get an extra ticket for £5-10 for a few blocks in the Putney End for something like Wigan/WBA/Blackburn at home in midweek - which doesn't benefit tourists unless they know someone with a s/t.
I can't see us moving out to groundshare - there was huge opposition when Al Fayed mooted moving us up to the Dairy Crest site during our share with you, and if we get planning permission to redevelop the Riverside, a 30,000 capacity will do us fine in the Prem, without being soul-destroyingly empty in the event of our inevitable relegation at some point down the line. When most of our support lives in SW London and Surrey, it would make no sense for us to move out to your catchment area - assuming you have to move - we'd lose a massive chunk of our support by doing that. |
Sensible post as usual Konk |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 09:36 - Jun 7 with 1075 views | loftboy |
With the amount of money being bandied about they may as well compulsory purchase the houses in Ellerslie rd. | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 10:11 - Jun 7 with 1053 views | Konk |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 09:36 - Jun 7 by loftboy |
With the amount of money being bandied about they may as well compulsory purchase the houses in Ellerslie rd. |
Loftus Road is terrible in terms of legroom, views and facilities, and it’s not exactly a work of architectural wonder from the outside, but it’s a very individual sort of a place and I think it’ll be a real loss if you leave. There’s nothing beats wandering down a street, turning a corner and finding a football ground in front of you — as a romantic old bas tard, I think a football club should be in the middle of the community, and in the country that invented football, I love our grounds being surrounded by 100 year old + streets. You can’t avoid the history, the sense of continuity and the ghosts. I'm not sure that trudging across the car park on your way to the game at some out of town ground ever compares with walking down terraced streets on your way from the pub. Sadly, you’re restricted in what you can do at LR due to the surrounding environment, but it’ll be a real shame to lose those transport links, all those pubs etc if you do move further out — it’s a pretty decent spot for a ground as things go, but I guess something has to give if you want to progress. | |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 10:23 - Jun 7 with 1040 views | peejaybee |
With ref to building new stadiums,out of interest what is the situation regarding car parking.????? |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 10:26 - Jun 7 with 1040 views | QPunkR |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 09:36 - Jun 7 by loftboy |
With the amount of money being bandied about they may as well compulsory purchase the houses in Ellerslie rd. |
I was wondering about this myself, now that our owners are seriously rich and considering plunging money in for building a new stadium from scratch.
Of course this method would prove expensive, but then again you save on not having to buy a whole massive plot of land.. |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 10:51 - Jun 7 with 1010 views | BlackCrowe |
If we get a new ground, there's gonna me armageddon from the c.10k season ticket holders being forced to move seats.  |  |
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| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 10:53 - Jun 7 with 1009 views | blacky200 |
| QPR chief raises prospect of ground share on 10:26 - Jun 7 by QPunkR |
I was wondering about this myself, now that our owners are seriously rich and considering plunging money in for building a new stadium from scratch.
Of course this method would prove expensive, but then again you save on not having to buy a whole massive plot of land.. |
I think adding the amount of seats they are talking about is not feasable at LR even if they were able to buy all the houses surrounding the ground. Wouldn't there also be height issues for other residents etc. As much as I love LR if we are to progress as the owners want us to then moving seems to be the only option.
One other thing though is the cost of the new ground when taken into context with the increase in revenue. If we were to add 10,000 to our gates then that would equate to approx £7.5 million per year extra in turnstile revenue if we were to sell all the 10,000 seats. This is not a massive figure in real terms. I realise that with those extra supporters then revenue from programme sales, food and merchandise would also increase but purely from the football side it would take along time to pay off a new ground. |  | | |
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