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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 13:07 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin
Clearly I think more of my club and it's future than you do.
Swansea need to grow not flat line or shrink.
Man city play in the Eithad Asian cup and pick up £10m plus. No one complains. Man utd get £15m for going to American for the American Express cup. No one complains.
Liverpool played in the club World cup and played kids in the F A cup one year I recall amor there £10m.
The idea is to make money and help a struggling league expand. There is no surprise the City Anglos are against it yet support Team GB with their flags.
We are Wales a little different. We fight for our place in the world. I am sceptical myself but thing have to get better.
Rugby in Wales is in an even worse spot and decided to "shrink" This is "little man* thinking. Coleman has put his money down and wants to expand and has a plan. He wants growth.
On the current trajectory Llanelli FC will buy Parcel y Sgarlets off the defunct Llanelli rugby club.
Rugby is in bad times and has decided to shrink. Welsh football wants to grow. As always it has to drag the timid fans along. The timid fans who owned 21% of the club and were to timid to cash in. It took an American man to sort out a Welsh mess
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 13:24 - Jan 16 by raynor94
I'd be suprised if he cares at all, just seems to get some kick out of stirring the pot
Exactly, why the comparison to a GB team or Man City going on tour, which incidentally we did when in the Premier League. Who really cares, I only care about my club.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 13:34 - Jan 16 with 586 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 13:27 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
Swansea need to grow not flat line or shrink.
Man city play in the Eithad Asian cup and pick up £10m plus. No one complains. Man utd get £15m for going to American for the American Express cup. No one complains.
Liverpool played in the club World cup and played kids in the F A cup one year I recall amor there £10m.
The idea is to make money and help a struggling league expand. There is no surprise the City Anglos are against it yet support Team GB with their flags.
We are Wales a little different. We fight for our place in the world. I am sceptical myself but thing have to get better.
Rugby in Wales is in an even worse spot and decided to "shrink" This is "little man* thinking. Coleman has put his money down and wants to expand and has a plan. He wants growth.
On the current trajectory Llanelli FC will buy Parcel y Sgarlets off the defunct Llanelli rugby club.
Rugby is in bad times and has decided to shrink. Welsh football wants to grow. As always it has to drag the timid fans along. The timid fans who owned 21% of the club and were to timid to cash in. It took an American man to sort out a Welsh mess
[Post edited 16 Jan 13:30]
How much have we grown in the last eight years.
"On the current trajectory Llanelli FC will buy Parcel y Sgarlets off the defunct Llanelli rugby club."
That even by your standards is a pathetic attempt at a wind up. Grow up and get a life.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 14:14 - Jan 16 with 535 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 13:34 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin
How much have we grown in the last eight years.
"On the current trajectory Llanelli FC will buy Parcel y Sgarlets off the defunct Llanelli rugby club."
That even by your standards is a pathetic attempt at a wind up. Grow up and get a life.
Rattled you cage? Welsh football as a whole is growing mostly in the North via Reynolds and co. Welsh rugby is shrinking and most accept one or two regions will have to be culled.
Americans will grow Welsh football. Huw Jenkins will grow Newport hopefully have been chased out of Swansea by the fans. Coleman has cahones and his buddies big a cash allegedly.
Llanelli or the Ospreys are going bust? Which one would you pick wind up boy?
The fans group has no cahones. Their people do not show up at forums and invest in murals and gates worth £5000 at most.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 14:14 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
Rattled you cage? Welsh football as a whole is growing mostly in the North via Reynolds and co. Welsh rugby is shrinking and most accept one or two regions will have to be culled.
Americans will grow Welsh football. Huw Jenkins will grow Newport hopefully have been chased out of Swansea by the fans. Coleman has cahones and his buddies big a cash allegedly.
Llanelli or the Ospreys are going bust? Which one would you pick wind up boy?
The fans group has no cahones. Their people do not show up at forums and invest in murals and gates worth £5000 at most.
You do realise that Llanelli are not in the JD Cymru Premier League.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 16:46 - Jan 16 with 435 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 21:32 - Jan 15 by ReslovenSwan1
Of course if Swansea progress they will make money and bank money from the run. This will come from prize money TV money S4C perhaps. ? Extra for advertising exposure and fate receipts. Swansea Cardiff or Swansea Wrexham would get big crows too.
I explained what ths wording meant. The revenue from Europe can be used to paid bills and buy players. It cannot be used for accountancy purposes to buy pass PSR rules. This make sense. It is the loss of £35m over 3 years business. Euro money is excluded.
This is my understanding of the wording.
Oh boy....
First I didn't doubt money would be made I just asked where it would go.
You explained....shame you got it wrong then, money from this will NOT be used to give us an advantage in the league which means it cannot be used to buy players or pay wages.
You were also wrong to say the EFL won't block it, it seems the EFL have already raised concerns with the FA, here is an excerpt from Colemans latest thoughts,
The final say rests with the FA board who are understood to have been made aware of concerns from the EFL over a number of issues.
They are said to include the impact of European prize money amid tight profit and sustainability rules that rival clubs fear would give the Welsh quartet an unfair advantage.
Neither the EFL nor the FA have commented on the plans as the process continues but, asked about opposition, Coleman said: "The important thing to note is that this was structured very intentionally in a way not to give any of the Welsh-based EFL clubs a financial advantage.
"This is meant to be a level playing field for all as we do this, with just good intentions about improving the system in Wales.
"We've given the FA a board a tap-in. This is a really good opportunity to show that football can take care of football and make common sense decisions for ourselves that strengthen the game."
It seems that yet again, your understanding is a misunderstanding.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 17:51 - Jan 16 with 386 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 16:46 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned
Oh boy....
First I didn't doubt money would be made I just asked where it would go.
You explained....shame you got it wrong then, money from this will NOT be used to give us an advantage in the league which means it cannot be used to buy players or pay wages.
You were also wrong to say the EFL won't block it, it seems the EFL have already raised concerns with the FA, here is an excerpt from Colemans latest thoughts,
The final say rests with the FA board who are understood to have been made aware of concerns from the EFL over a number of issues.
They are said to include the impact of European prize money amid tight profit and sustainability rules that rival clubs fear would give the Welsh quartet an unfair advantage.
Neither the EFL nor the FA have commented on the plans as the process continues but, asked about opposition, Coleman said: "The important thing to note is that this was structured very intentionally in a way not to give any of the Welsh-based EFL clubs a financial advantage.
"This is meant to be a level playing field for all as we do this, with just good intentions about improving the system in Wales.
"We've given the FA a board a tap-in. This is a really good opportunity to show that football can take care of football and make common sense decisions for ourselves that strengthen the game."
It seems that yet again, your understanding is a misunderstanding.
What you post makes no sense at all. If Swnsea play in the welsh cup and beat Cardiff in front of 20,000 the n money will go to the clubs and the FAW, That is 'FAIR'.
It has nothing to do with Blackburn Rovers who can play in a 'North western Lancashire cup' if they want.
Coleman words are very diplomatic. I believe the context was the PSR regulations not the bottom line. Coleman would not be supporting this if there was no financial gain at all. Liverpool play in the Asia cup. Perhaps Coleman forgot to use the phrase "unfair advantage"
Playing in the Welsh cup is not unfair. on EFL clubs hand has not relevance for EPL clubs who play in any cup they like.
It could be Euro prize money is not included but gate receipts TV money and advertising revenue are included. This is in the g fine detail. In the FA cup TV money is more valuable that prize money.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 17:51 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
What you post makes no sense at all. If Swnsea play in the welsh cup and beat Cardiff in front of 20,000 the n money will go to the clubs and the FAW, That is 'FAIR'.
It has nothing to do with Blackburn Rovers who can play in a 'North western Lancashire cup' if they want.
Coleman words are very diplomatic. I believe the context was the PSR regulations not the bottom line. Coleman would not be supporting this if there was no financial gain at all. Liverpool play in the Asia cup. Perhaps Coleman forgot to use the phrase "unfair advantage"
Playing in the Welsh cup is not unfair. on EFL clubs hand has not relevance for EPL clubs who play in any cup they like.
It could be Euro prize money is not included but gate receipts TV money and advertising revenue are included. This is in the g fine detail. In the FA cup TV money is more valuable that prize money.
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Any money we make from Europe cannot be included when calculating profit and sustainability figures.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 17:51 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
What you post makes no sense at all. If Swnsea play in the welsh cup and beat Cardiff in front of 20,000 the n money will go to the clubs and the FAW, That is 'FAIR'.
It has nothing to do with Blackburn Rovers who can play in a 'North western Lancashire cup' if they want.
Coleman words are very diplomatic. I believe the context was the PSR regulations not the bottom line. Coleman would not be supporting this if there was no financial gain at all. Liverpool play in the Asia cup. Perhaps Coleman forgot to use the phrase "unfair advantage"
Playing in the Welsh cup is not unfair. on EFL clubs hand has not relevance for EPL clubs who play in any cup they like.
It could be Euro prize money is not included but gate receipts TV money and advertising revenue are included. This is in the g fine detail. In the FA cup TV money is more valuable that prize money.
[Post edited 16 Jan 17:56]
Because you completely fail to comprehend it doesn't make it nonsense. It's what Coleman has said, money from this will not be used to give Swansea an advantage in the EFL which means we cannot use it to improve the team.
Balckburn Rovers might field a team in the competition if it is sanctioned by the FA and EFL because it is an English competition with no route to Europe. They probably play kids if they are in it.
EPL clubs don't play in ANY cup they like, they tried a Euro super league and look what happened. When they choose to go on pre season tours, that's their business.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:09 - Jan 16 with 349 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 13:30 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin
Exactly, why the comparison to a GB team or Man City going on tour, which incidentally we did when in the Premier League. Who really cares, I only care about my club.
You seem fearful of debate. It is a forum and the old establish sages do not like different ideas it seems. Flag wavers are political in their outlook Welsh and British.
Why would Blackburn Rovers object to Swansea playing the the Welsh cup for money (>£1m) while not objecting to Tom Brady's Birmingham going to Miami for the Presdent's cup for £5m?.
Swansea is in Wales. If Swansea get to Europe perhaps they will hand over prize money to the FAW and collect for themselves gate receipts and advertising money.
Coleman care more about the club than you do as he has put his family's money into the club. He thinks it is a good plan and looked at the financial benefits.
I doubt Birch and co will block it if Eufa have already agreed. That would be like the EPL stopping the Asian cup if the Indonesian league had approved it and given their best team a shot at Liverpool in friont of 75,000 fans in Kuala Lumpar.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 17:57 - Jan 16 by guthrieintherain
Any money we make from Europe cannot be included when calculating profit and sustainability figures.
Do you agree on that
Yes I agree with that . Clarification of what that means is obviously required.
Prize money Gate recipients TV money Advertising
The rule as I understand it is allowed losses of £35m over 3 season. Swansea have no intention of going anywhere near that in the future. If Swnsea made £7m profit from Euri ope in that three year period the limit would reduce to £28m.
The question is could Swnsea accept Eufa prize money. They may have to compromise on this with the EFL/ It is being negiociated to ally 'EFL concerns'. Who cares about Talksport who do not even report o welsh teams even when they were in the EPL.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:09 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
You seem fearful of debate. It is a forum and the old establish sages do not like different ideas it seems. Flag wavers are political in their outlook Welsh and British.
Why would Blackburn Rovers object to Swansea playing the the Welsh cup for money (>£1m) while not objecting to Tom Brady's Birmingham going to Miami for the Presdent's cup for £5m?.
Swansea is in Wales. If Swansea get to Europe perhaps they will hand over prize money to the FAW and collect for themselves gate receipts and advertising money.
Coleman care more about the club than you do as he has put his family's money into the club. He thinks it is a good plan and looked at the financial benefits.
I doubt Birch and co will block it if Eufa have already agreed. That would be like the EPL stopping the Asian cup if the Indonesian league had approved it and given their best team a shot at Liverpool in friont of 75,000 fans in Kuala Lumpar.
Good grief and you call others dim. You cannot comprehend the difference between an "out of season" tournament and an officially sanctioned tournament.
The EPL cannot block the Asian cup, it's pre season.
Debate is always welcomed here but the thing is, you cannot claim to trump facts by making your own assumptions and voicing them as fact. You cannot make things up and expect there won't be ridicule.
PS, Blackburn might obhject because the Swans might only have to play 4 runnish teams and be in Europe and do so from playing in another country's competition, they may see that as unfair. That you cannot tell the difference is your problem.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:25 - Jan 16 with 308 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:17 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned
Good grief and you call others dim. You cannot comprehend the difference between an "out of season" tournament and an officially sanctioned tournament.
The EPL cannot block the Asian cup, it's pre season.
Debate is always welcomed here but the thing is, you cannot claim to trump facts by making your own assumptions and voicing them as fact. You cannot make things up and expect there won't be ridicule.
PS, Blackburn might obhject because the Swans might only have to play 4 runnish teams and be in Europe and do so from playing in another country's competition, they may see that as unfair. That you cannot tell the difference is your problem.
So a preseason or summer Welsh cup is OK then. Yes or No?
You are so against debate it is incredible. I construct argument and make a case. You have no answer.
You them quote a footballer who have no education at all and probably not a single CSE. He is good at football not administration. He is on a gravy train.
I do debate and scenarios not raw facts. The Chief started the 'you make things up' trend. It seems Eufa have approved it. That for me was the only hurdle. The EFL will force a few conditions but will not block it.
You do not negotiate than block it. It will be a compromise. Hopefully Birch will have a sympathetic stance at least on Swansea city.
Blackburn can relocate to Wales. We are different. Some like me are proud of the difference.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:29 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
So a preseason or summer Welsh cup is OK then. Yes or No?
You are so against debate it is incredible. I construct argument and make a case. You have no answer.
You them quote a footballer who have no education at all and probably not a single CSE. He is good at football not administration. He is on a gravy train.
I do debate and scenarios not raw facts. The Chief started the 'you make things up' trend. It seems Eufa have approved it. That for me was the only hurdle. The EFL will force a few conditions but will not block it.
You do not negotiate than block it. It will be a compromise. Hopefully Birch will have a sympathetic stance at least on Swansea city.
Blackburn can relocate to Wales. We are different. Some like me are proud of the difference.
You, my friend are one of the worst debaters on the sites.
Although you commendably stay calm most of the time, you have no skill in arguing the point without including straw men arguments or non-sequiturs. You are like a politician.
However, sadly you seem convinced you’ve won @ debate even when clearly you haven’t. That’s called delusion.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:16 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
Yes I agree with that . Clarification of what that means is obviously required.
Prize money Gate recipients TV money Advertising
The rule as I understand it is allowed losses of £35m over 3 season. Swansea have no intention of going anywhere near that in the future. If Swnsea made £7m profit from Euri ope in that three year period the limit would reduce to £28m.
The question is could Swnsea accept Eufa prize money. They may have to compromise on this with the EFL/ It is being negiociated to ally 'EFL concerns'. Who cares about Talksport who do not even report o welsh teams even when they were in the EPL.
41.5 million losses over 3 seasons
The last 3 seasons losees were considerable with player sales.
20/21 4.5 million 21/22 13.5 million 22/23 an eye watering 17.9 million.
So we are currently about 6 million under. About 10 million l to stay within the guidelines for next season.
How do you think these losses are suddenly going to reduce. The squad is paper thin.
And we have sold all our expensive players.
All I care about Swansea City and Welsh grass routes to a degree but not at the expense of our club.
There is reluctance to accept change. In reality we are just going back to the scenario from around 30 years ago when we played in the Welsh Cup. It’s good to see that common sense has prevailed and with cooperation, agreement and the backing from EUFA and the EFL it’s allowed us to compete in the Welsh Cup once again. It’s good to see and gives us the added bonus of having a reasonably good chance to play in Europe which has huge potential for the club. West Ham fans will tell you what a huge boost it was for their club recently. Newport still fondly recall their adventure into the 1/4 finals of the Cup Winners Cup 30/40 years ago. Cardiff too with their win against Real Madrid. Our win in Valencia. It’s all positive vibes.
We are at the moment better equipped to deal with it too in terms of our standing as a Championship club.
Only an idiot would eat a turkey curry on Christmas day
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 19:52 - Jan 16 with 192 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 19:40 - Jan 16 by swancity
There is reluctance to accept change. In reality we are just going back to the scenario from around 30 years ago when we played in the Welsh Cup. It’s good to see that common sense has prevailed and with cooperation, agreement and the backing from EUFA and the EFL it’s allowed us to compete in the Welsh Cup once again. It’s good to see and gives us the added bonus of having a reasonably good chance to play in Europe which has huge potential for the club. West Ham fans will tell you what a huge boost it was for their club recently. Newport still fondly recall their adventure into the 1/4 finals of the Cup Winners Cup 30/40 years ago. Cardiff too with their win against Real Madrid. Our win in Valencia. It’s all positive vibes.
We are at the moment better equipped to deal with it too in terms of our standing as a Championship club.
"It’s good to see that common sense has prevailed and with cooperation, agreement and the backing from EUFA and the EFL it’s allowed us to compete in the Welsh Cup once again."
The EFL have not given approval nor has the FA. Currently we do not have permission to take part in the competition and never will unless it is a sanctioned tournament.
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Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 19:54 - Jan 16 with 178 views
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 19:40 - Jan 16 by swancity
There is reluctance to accept change. In reality we are just going back to the scenario from around 30 years ago when we played in the Welsh Cup. It’s good to see that common sense has prevailed and with cooperation, agreement and the backing from EUFA and the EFL it’s allowed us to compete in the Welsh Cup once again. It’s good to see and gives us the added bonus of having a reasonably good chance to play in Europe which has huge potential for the club. West Ham fans will tell you what a huge boost it was for their club recently. Newport still fondly recall their adventure into the 1/4 finals of the Cup Winners Cup 30/40 years ago. Cardiff too with their win against Real Madrid. Our win in Valencia. It’s all positive vibes.
We are at the moment better equipped to deal with it too in terms of our standing as a Championship club.
EFL haven't agreed
You give it out, you take it back it`s all part of the game
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:40 - Jan 16 by union_jack
You, my friend are one of the worst debaters on the sites.
Although you commendably stay calm most of the time, you have no skill in arguing the point without including straw men arguments or non-sequiturs. You are like a politician.
However, sadly you seem convinced you’ve won @ debate even when clearly you haven’t. That’s called delusion.
Do what all loser do a get personal. It's just the way forum rumble. Being called out as Leigh Dineen's brother was one of the funnier ones.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 19:54 - Jan 16 by raynor94
EFL haven't agreed
They will. Funny that West Ham were mentioned. A 70000 stadium built by the Government for £2m a year for 100 years. It cost close to £1 billion with its own railway station and a new £179m roof. All waved through. The initial plan was a 20,000 stadium for Leyton Orient before Coe got involved.
Cockneys did not go around worrying about what people in Burnley thought about it.
Should we join the Welsh cup next season on 18:29 - Jan 16 by ReslovenSwan1
So a preseason or summer Welsh cup is OK then. Yes or No?
You are so against debate it is incredible. I construct argument and make a case. You have no answer.
You them quote a footballer who have no education at all and probably not a single CSE. He is good at football not administration. He is on a gravy train.
I do debate and scenarios not raw facts. The Chief started the 'you make things up' trend. It seems Eufa have approved it. That for me was the only hurdle. The EFL will force a few conditions but will not block it.
You do not negotiate than block it. It will be a compromise. Hopefully Birch will have a sympathetic stance at least on Swansea city.
Blackburn can relocate to Wales. We are different. Some like me are proud of the difference.
A pre season cup is allowed if it carries no qualification to another tournament that is sanctioned by the authorities. So a pre season Welsh cup that carries European qualification is not allowed, NO.. Not if the FA says no.
I gave you the answers but you don't like being told you are wrong. Debate involves facts and opinions, not imaginings dressed up as facts.
I didn't quote any footballer, what planet are you on?
A serious debate needs raw facts, fiction has it's own department. It's not a trend by the way, it's a fact, you make things up and present them as if they are real, You can call them scenarios but you always invent them in such a way as to back up whichever point you are trying to make.
You don't even understand negotiations, you try to negotiate but if or when you cannot reach agreement then it doesn't happen, whatever it is.
Blackburn relocate, pull the other one. You are definitely different.
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