| Anti-Debt Club In Debt 08:54 - Nov 26 with 5282 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
It looks like having a new ground hasn't helped FC United to much.
The anti debt club look to secure an overdraft to help pay mounting debts.
Crowds drop by over 700 (are you watching Mr Day).
Slowly but surely the club have compromised what it initially stood for and has just become another football club.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38115196
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 09:36 - Nov 26 with 5210 views | judd |
Horrible club |  |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 09:47 - Nov 26 with 5184 views | Scunnydale |
They'll all trundle back to Old Trafford now they're doing alright again.
Scrotes, the lot of 'em. |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 10:59 - Nov 26 with 5063 views | Daley_Lama |
Had a really nice afternoon when we played them pre-season myself, didn't meet one single scrote. |  |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 12:35 - Nov 26 with 4934 views | rod_leach |
A bloke I know, who has been there from the start, was telling me last season that a lot of money could not be accounted for (£100,000s). I wonder if anything will ever come out about that. Sounded like they just weren't set up to cope with running their own ground. |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 12:36 - Nov 26 with 4932 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
I suppose the worrying thing is that across all sports going to watch events 'live' is becoming a thing of the past.
Football attendances outside the Premiership are declining.
Test match crowds dwindling which has virtually bust Durham.
Germany and Malaysia pulling out of staging Grand Prix due to it not being cost effective.
Sky has brought unbelievable money into the game, but on the other hand is it also killing it off? | |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 12:55 - Nov 26 with 4887 views | Swissdale |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 12:36 - Nov 26 by SteTsGoldenBoot |
I suppose the worrying thing is that across all sports going to watch events 'live' is becoming a thing of the past.
Football attendances outside the Premiership are declining.
Test match crowds dwindling which has virtually bust Durham.
Germany and Malaysia pulling out of staging Grand Prix due to it not being cost effective.
Sky has brought unbelievable money into the game, but on the other hand is it also killing it off? |
I too am worried about what seems to be an emerging trend, it's not just limited to sports, town centres (for both shopping and drinking) have suffered from the same lack of footfall.
The power of technology to keep us in our homes is frightening. |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:09 - Nov 26 with 4863 views | 1mark1 |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 12:55 - Nov 26 by Swissdale |
I too am worried about what seems to be an emerging trend, it's not just limited to sports, town centres (for both shopping and drinking) have suffered from the same lack of footfall.
The power of technology to keep us in our homes is frightening. |
Many people have less disposable income, due to the problem of low wages. If sporting venues, pubs, etc want more customers they will have to cut their prices, as well as making their venues more customer friendly, including cleaning their toilets etc. |  |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:13 - Nov 26 with 4848 views | Scunnydale |
It seems to be affecting most areas of entertainment these days. I was surprised to recently hear that a good music venue in York has closed.
I reckon there are many factors. Disposable income as Mark says is a huge influence, but the centralisation of the entertainment industry must take some blame as well. As far as gigs go, even living over this side, I find myself having to go to Sheffield, Leeds or, usually, Manchester.
I know football's different, but the megaclubs created by Sky's money are sucking fans and young players from smaller regional clubs like ours and many others. | | | |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:19 - Nov 26 with 4826 views | 1mark1 |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:13 - Nov 26 by Scunnydale |
It seems to be affecting most areas of entertainment these days. I was surprised to recently hear that a good music venue in York has closed.
I reckon there are many factors. Disposable income as Mark says is a huge influence, but the centralisation of the entertainment industry must take some blame as well. As far as gigs go, even living over this side, I find myself having to go to Sheffield, Leeds or, usually, Manchester.
I know football's different, but the megaclubs created by Sky's money are sucking fans and young players from smaller regional clubs like ours and many others. |
The point you make about the big clubs is interesting. Are they getting more supporters, at the expense of clubs like ours, or is it not just the case that overall that crowds are down on say 30 years back overall? How many Dale fans go to watch a big team rather than Dale? IF I am going to attend a football match, it will be Dale, not another team. | |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:40 - Nov 26 with 4793 views | 49thseason |
You also have to factor in things like business rates, VAT at 20%, car fuel tax, insurance premium tax and a whole host of other "costs" that clubs have to find the money for from the humble punter whose wages have not seen any real increases for years
Too many businesses have passed these costs on to the paying public. the resulting price of admission has been too much for too many. Three home games in a week is a nonsense that the FA and Football league need to sort out quickly. Something has to give and reducing the number of pointless competitions would be a good start. |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:48 - Nov 26 with 4776 views | Nigeriamark |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:09 - Nov 26 by 1mark1 |
Many people have less disposable income, due to the problem of low wages. If sporting venues, pubs, etc want more customers they will have to cut their prices, as well as making their venues more customer friendly, including cleaning their toilets etc. |
Might also be due to the fact there is more to spend your money on nowadays compared to 30 years ago. More mega-cinemas, other sports becoming popular, video games that kids today would prefer even if they have the money etc etc. So there could be a similar amount of money knocking around but also more choices chipping away at the older "traditional" ways to spend it |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:54 - Nov 26 with 4760 views | D_Alien |
Another side of this same coin is the Wetherspoons chain
Now I like Wetherspoons, been in dozens of them and appreciate the value for money and being able to hold a conversation without being drowned out by someone's idea of music, but... they're slowly but surely crowding out all but the most efficient and customer-friendly pubs. Could be argued that they've helped raise standards in the hostelry industry by forcing pubs to create better environments and in particular, introducing cask ales across the board, but I've recently noticed a drop in standards in Wetherspoons and it's becoming 'take it or leave it' - like Sky, like mega-venues & mega-cinemas and the monopoly of the premier league in financial clout. Makes our own acheivements at Dale more fantastic than ever
Was in London the week before last and they're starting to close Wetherspoons down there, but still opening them at a crazy rate elsewhere
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 14:42 - Nov 26 with 4689 views | TipperaryDale |
The biggest rises in the football clubs' costs have been players wages, policing costs, and stadium costs. I believe we are seeing a much better standard of football throughout the leagues, with much better stadiums and with safer environments for everyone. Unfortunately we have to pay for these things. The Sky money has pushed wages for players up massively, way past inflation, while the Taylor report did for the other two factors. The paradox now is that, per person, we are paying the same for our football experience in League One as in the Prem in many cases. A lot of the costs are fixed, and don't scale downwards as you go down the leagues. In the long term more clubs will become like ours - primarily driven by transfer fees, and only supplemented by supporter income.
Don't buy the idea that there's more entertainment choice, so less people coming to games. If that were the case cinema attendances, theatres etc would be way down. They're up. The biggest factor in my view is cost - £22 is way too much, in many cases dearer than Bundesliga or Serie A games, but the club don't have much leeway in this. |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 15:00 - Nov 26 with 4626 views | Swissdale |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 14:42 - Nov 26 by TipperaryDale |
The biggest rises in the football clubs' costs have been players wages, policing costs, and stadium costs. I believe we are seeing a much better standard of football throughout the leagues, with much better stadiums and with safer environments for everyone. Unfortunately we have to pay for these things. The Sky money has pushed wages for players up massively, way past inflation, while the Taylor report did for the other two factors. The paradox now is that, per person, we are paying the same for our football experience in League One as in the Prem in many cases. A lot of the costs are fixed, and don't scale downwards as you go down the leagues. In the long term more clubs will become like ours - primarily driven by transfer fees, and only supplemented by supporter income.
Don't buy the idea that there's more entertainment choice, so less people coming to games. If that were the case cinema attendances, theatres etc would be way down. They're up. The biggest factor in my view is cost - £22 is way too much, in many cases dearer than Bundesliga or Serie A games, but the club don't have much leeway in this. |
I think the only way we'll find out at Dale is if we cut season ticket prices, and pay on the day prices significantly. Really hope the club get some big money from say, a Hogan transfer this Janurary so they can try it next season. | | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 15:10 - Nov 26 with 4595 views | 442Dale |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 15:00 - Nov 26 by Swissdale |
I think the only way we'll find out at Dale is if we cut season ticket prices, and pay on the day prices significantly. Really hope the club get some big money from say, a Hogan transfer this Janurary so they can try it next season. |
The profit made last season and the rise in payments from the FL/FA mean the loss in income from reducing prices could be covered elsewhere. The £100 half ST indicate we are prepared to try this. |  |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 00:04 - Nov 28 with 4129 views | olympicdale |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 09:36 - Nov 26 by judd |
Horrible club |
I think "club" is a bit much tbh |  |
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 11:01 - Nov 28 with 3957 views | YadHoDale |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 13:54 - Nov 26 by D_Alien |
Another side of this same coin is the Wetherspoons chain
Now I like Wetherspoons, been in dozens of them and appreciate the value for money and being able to hold a conversation without being drowned out by someone's idea of music, but... they're slowly but surely crowding out all but the most efficient and customer-friendly pubs. Could be argued that they've helped raise standards in the hostelry industry by forcing pubs to create better environments and in particular, introducing cask ales across the board, but I've recently noticed a drop in standards in Wetherspoons and it's becoming 'take it or leave it' - like Sky, like mega-venues & mega-cinemas and the monopoly of the premier league in financial clout. Makes our own acheivements at Dale more fantastic than ever
Was in London the week before last and they're starting to close Wetherspoons down there, but still opening them at a crazy rate elsewhere
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Great post.
I like Wetheespoons for the food, reasonable quality and reasonable choice at a reasonable price.. This standard seems to be universal across the chain.
Beer quality, however, isn't! Seems to be better in the smaller ones for some reason. I've had excellent pints in Westhoughton, Eccles and Inverness recently, but have given up on buying alcohol in the.Rochdale, Bury or any of the Manchester.branches. |  | | |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 11:48 - Nov 28 with 3916 views | D_Alien |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 11:01 - Nov 28 by YadHoDale |
Great post.
I like Wetheespoons for the food, reasonable quality and reasonable choice at a reasonable price.. This standard seems to be universal across the chain.
Beer quality, however, isn't! Seems to be better in the smaller ones for some reason. I've had excellent pints in Westhoughton, Eccles and Inverness recently, but have given up on buying alcohol in the.Rochdale, Bury or any of the Manchester.branches. |
Aye, their steak & kidney pudding, chips, peas and gravy goes down a treat this time of year. At two meals for £7.99 it's a steal, i add curry sauce for an extra 95p
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| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 12:12 - Nov 28 with 3885 views | ParkinsGimp |
| Anti-Debt Club In Debt on 09:36 - Nov 26 by judd |
Horrible club |
Agree and horrible fans. |  | | |
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