| Macc Match 12:26 - Jul 23 with 8933 views | boromat |
Just wondering whether to make the trip or not.
What type of team lineup are we all expecting? |  |
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| Macc Match on 20:27 - Jul 23 with 2774 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Macc Match on 20:21 - Jul 23 by 442Dale |
Cheers for that. But if Rafferty and Rose aren't wing backs and the defenders are all central, who is defending against their wide players when they attack? |
Your wide central defenders pick them up. Most teams these days play with three up top with two wide and one central. Thus, having three central defenders matches up nicely.
It sounds like the classic 3-5-2 formation but with possession. The reason why Rose and Rafferty are so advanced is because we are probably dominating the game. They will be asked to defend as well (wing-backs). | |
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| Macc Match on 20:36 - Jul 23 with 2656 views | boromat |
tanser and vidal on for raf and rose. Obviously still a chance for vidal to get a contract. | |
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| Macc Match on 20:38 - Jul 23 with 2643 views | boromat |
Also glad to see tanser get a chance with O'Connells ability to play left back the slim chance of tanser getting into the team over Rose has probably got slimmer. | |
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| Macc Match on 20:38 - Jul 23 with 2637 views | 442Dale |
| Macc Match on 20:27 - Jul 23 by BigDaveMyCock |
Your wide central defenders pick them up. Most teams these days play with three up top with two wide and one central. Thus, having three central defenders matches up nicely.
It sounds like the classic 3-5-2 formation but with possession. The reason why Rose and Rafferty are so advanced is because we are probably dominating the game. They will be asked to defend as well (wing-backs). |
Which was my take on it too. Proper wing backs are now used in much more advanced roles than in the past - the Italia 90 England team with Paul Parker and that idiot Pearce was more five at the back, as Parker especially wasn't great going forward. These days proper full backs like Leighton Baines can play equally well as a wing back, and I'd think Rose has the same attributes at our level. The role essentially becomes a left/right midfielder, and requires a clever player to perform it.
Edit: wouldn't want central defenders stretched right across the pitch against a team with three up top (if similar to the way we play, the wide players staying quite wide), the gaps between them would be too great. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Macc Match on 20:46 - Jul 23 with 2581 views | dilligas |
| Macc Match on 20:25 - Jul 23 by mr_fri_night |
O'Connell and Eastham. Hilly shouting for Raff n Rose to keep forward |
That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me | | | |
| Macc Match on 20:48 - Jul 23 with 2563 views | mr_fri_night |
| Macc Match on 20:38 - Jul 23 by 442Dale |
Which was my take on it too. Proper wing backs are now used in much more advanced roles than in the past - the Italia 90 England team with Paul Parker and that idiot Pearce was more five at the back, as Parker especially wasn't great going forward. These days proper full backs like Leighton Baines can play equally well as a wing back, and I'd think Rose has the same attributes at our level. The role essentially becomes a left/right midfielder, and requires a clever player to perform it.
Edit: wouldn't want central defenders stretched right across the pitch against a team with three up top (if similar to the way we play, the wide players staying quite wide), the gaps between them would be too great. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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As I said, Hilly is shouting for the 2 not to come back to defend! He wants them to stay no further back than halfway line. It's just an experiment he is doing. | | | |
| Macc Match on 20:51 - Jul 23 with 2529 views | ChaffRAFC |
2-0 OG |  |
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| Macc Match on 20:53 - Jul 23 with 2500 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Macc Match on 20:38 - Jul 23 by 442Dale |
Which was my take on it too. Proper wing backs are now used in much more advanced roles than in the past - the Italia 90 England team with Paul Parker and that idiot Pearce was more five at the back, as Parker especially wasn't great going forward. These days proper full backs like Leighton Baines can play equally well as a wing back, and I'd think Rose has the same attributes at our level. The role essentially becomes a left/right midfielder, and requires a clever player to perform it.
Edit: wouldn't want central defenders stretched right across the pitch against a team with three up top (if similar to the way we play, the wide players staying quite wide), the gaps between them would be too great. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Yeah, there was quite a fashion for 3-5-2 in the 1990s in England, but not many teams play that way now. Hoddle was a big fan of it with England and Liverpool under Roy Evans. Man City tried it under Mancini last season with not much success. The problem is it's not really played at a younger age over here so very few can play a genuine wing-back role - they are either not good enough going forward (full-backs) or get caught too far forward (wingers) and not good enough defending. Also, central defenders in this country tend to struggle with adapting to more wide roles.
We're a bit rigid unfortunately for it. Germany played it to great effect in the past.
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| Macc Match on 20:57 - Jul 23 with 2452 views | boromat |
BBM on for Lancashire. Straight swap? or Formation change? | |
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| Macc Match on 20:59 - Jul 23 with 2426 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Macc Match on 20:57 - Jul 23 by boromat |
BBM on for Lancashire. Straight swap? or Formation change? |
Straight swap apparently | |
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| Macc Match on 20:59 - Jul 23 with 2420 views | dilligas |
| Macc Match on 20:57 - Jul 23 by boromat |
BBM on for Lancashire. Straight swap? or Formation change? |
Straight swap | | | |
| Macc Match on 21:03 - Jul 23 with 2375 views | boromat |
Hill really is experimenting
'Still a 3-5-2... A back three of O'Connor, BBM & Tanser. Done & Vidal out wide with Allen, Tutte & Logan making up the midfield' | |
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| Macc Match on 21:04 - Jul 23 with 2361 views | 442Dale |
| Macc Match on 20:48 - Jul 23 by mr_fri_night |
As I said, Hilly is shouting for the 2 not to come back to defend! He wants them to stay no further back than halfway line. It's just an experiment he is doing. |
Always good to try different things, it sounds like a similar formation (defensively) to that used by Flitcroft to great effect at Barnsley. Often Foster/Wiseman-Crainie-Kennedy the back three, Stones (until he went, then various others) and Golborne (until he got injured) the wider players.
Not seeing it of course! But appreciate the various reports of those there. | |
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| Macc Match on 21:04 - Jul 23 with 2361 views | BartRowou |
Ou est Reece Gray? |  |
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| Macc Match on 21:05 - Jul 23 with 2342 views | ChaffRAFC |
3-0, George Donnelly wonder goal apparently
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| Macc Match on 21:06 - Jul 23 with 2278 views | boromat |
| Macc Match on 21:04 - Jul 23 by BartRowou |
Ou est Reece Gray? |
3 - 0 Donnelly
Looks like Gray is out of favour at the minute. Maybe he'll get a run out on Saturday though. | |
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| Macc Match on 21:07 - Jul 23 with 2257 views | SalwaDale |
| Macc Match on 21:06 - Jul 23 by boromat |
3 - 0 Donnelly
Looks like Gray is out of favour at the minute. Maybe he'll get a run out on Saturday though. |
RG about to come on. |  |
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| Macc Match on 21:07 - Jul 23 with 2256 views | boromat |
| Macc Match on 21:06 - Jul 23 by boromat |
3 - 0 Donnelly
Looks like Gray is out of favour at the minute. Maybe he'll get a run out on Saturday though. |
I take that back he's coming on? | |
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| Macc Match on 21:13 - Jul 23 with 2171 views | 442Dale |
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Pre season scores don't mean much, but these results will increase confidence. Still annoyed by that free kick on Saturday.... | |
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| Macc Match on 21:18 - Jul 23 with 2094 views | boromat |
| Macc Match on 21:13 - Jul 23 by 442Dale |
Crowd 479
Pre season scores don't mean much, but these results will increase confidence. Still annoyed by that free kick on Saturday.... |
Performances in most instances have matched those results too!! Obviously it's a different kettle of fish when it gets to the Hartlepool game but everything seems to be in place and the preparation seems to have been better than ever. | |
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| Macc Match on 21:21 - Jul 23 with 2051 views | ChaffRAFC |
Full time 3-0 | |
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| Macc Match on 21:44 - Jul 23 with 1883 views | 442Dale |
| Macc Match on 20:53 - Jul 23 by BigDaveMyCock |
Yeah, there was quite a fashion for 3-5-2 in the 1990s in England, but not many teams play that way now. Hoddle was a big fan of it with England and Liverpool under Roy Evans. Man City tried it under Mancini last season with not much success. The problem is it's not really played at a younger age over here so very few can play a genuine wing-back role - they are either not good enough going forward (full-backs) or get caught too far forward (wingers) and not good enough defending. Also, central defenders in this country tend to struggle with adapting to more wide roles.
We're a bit rigid unfortunately for it. Germany played it to great effect in the past.
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Good points. Hoddle used that formation as well as anyone, and but for going looney tunes he'd have been our best international boss since Ramsey. Venables had started to use it in the latter stages of Euro 96, and Hoddle built on it with more suitable players - eg. Le Saux on the left was made for such a role.Â
By France '98 he'd perfected how he wanted his side to play, to the extent that the flexibility of the players within the formation meant they could switch positions mid-match with consummate ease: from memory, Darren Anderton at RWB could go into a proper midfield role when Gary Neville went over to his normal RB role from one of the three at the back alongside Sol Campbell (who'd played everywhere as a young player) and Tony Adams (who had become a far better footballer under both Hoddle and Wenger), Le Saux becoming an orthodox LB. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Macc Match on 23:12 - Jul 23 with 1553 views | Brierls |
Another promising performance and a good workout against a decent Macc side. The formation was a surprise, I think we played a 3-2-2-1-2 (Rafferty and Rose seemed a little deeper than wingers), but could be simplified as a 3-4-1-2!
The game was more of an experiment than I expected, but we moved the ball around well with a lot of one touch football played in triangles of players. Very much like the training CG described in Tenerife. Our ball retention was so good in the 2nd half Hilly had to instruct us to kick the ball out for a throw so we could make a sub!!!
Lillis - not much to do, kicking was OK
Eastham - solid performance again, improving understanding with Lancashire
Lancashire - same as above, solid, tried and failed with some long range passes
O'Connell - straight in and looked comfortable, good on the ball
Rafferty - did OK, didn't look entirely comfortable playing so far forward
Rose - solid but didn't look like a winger but you can rely on him for quality delivery
Tutte - improvement on previous pre-season games, though didn't dominate
Allen - another tidy performance, he's good in tight situations
Done - always available for the ball and looks a threat, has improved without the ball too
Donnelly - scored two without breaking sweat, Sodje was bouncing off him
Bunney - worked hard but looked a little bit weak, some nice touches though
Not gonna bother with the subs, but as has been said above Maynard wasn't amongst them. BBM came on and played centre half and didn't lose a header! |  | | |
| Macc Match on 23:30 - Jul 23 with 1485 views | TalkingSutty |
| Macc Match on 23:12 - Jul 23 by Brierls |
Another promising performance and a good workout against a decent Macc side. The formation was a surprise, I think we played a 3-2-2-1-2 (Rafferty and Rose seemed a little deeper than wingers), but could be simplified as a 3-4-1-2!
The game was more of an experiment than I expected, but we moved the ball around well with a lot of one touch football played in triangles of players. Very much like the training CG described in Tenerife. Our ball retention was so good in the 2nd half Hilly had to instruct us to kick the ball out for a throw so we could make a sub!!!
Lillis - not much to do, kicking was OK
Eastham - solid performance again, improving understanding with Lancashire
Lancashire - same as above, solid, tried and failed with some long range passes
O'Connell - straight in and looked comfortable, good on the ball
Rafferty - did OK, didn't look entirely comfortable playing so far forward
Rose - solid but didn't look like a winger but you can rely on him for quality delivery
Tutte - improvement on previous pre-season games, though didn't dominate
Allen - another tidy performance, he's good in tight situations
Done - always available for the ball and looks a threat, has improved without the ball too
Donnelly - scored two without breaking sweat, Sodje was bouncing off him
Bunney - worked hard but looked a little bit weak, some nice touches though
Not gonna bother with the subs, but as has been said above Maynard wasn't amongst them. BBM came on and played centre half and didn't lose a header! |
Agree with much of that, Raffertys distrubution playing higher up the pitch was poor at times and Bunny seemed a little bit off the pace but he played the full 90 minutes.
All in all it was a good workout and the ball retention was very good for large periods of the game.
Donnelly took both his goals well and his 2nd was a 20 yard curler into the top corner. One player who really did take my eye was the second half substitute Joel Logan,what a prospect he looked, big, strong and fast with great control.
One thing these friendlies have revealed is the strength in depth in the squad and the young players look like the real deal. Hillys assembled a decent squad in double quick time, well done the manager!! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Macc Match on 23:50 - Jul 23 with 1436 views | Shun |
"Our ball retention was so good in the 2nd half Hilly had to instruct us to kick the ball out for a throw so we could make a sub!!!"
Ha, I love this. |  | | |
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