| Second BREXIT Referendum 16:30 - Dec 21 with 5076 views | johnlangy |
Time to put your thinking cap on again ohl  .
In my 'Thank You Nigel Farage' thread I suggested that Reform are going to have a huge bearing on the result of the next General Election. This thread is about the thought that things could go the completely opposite way.
One thing we know for certain (there's not many times you can say that in politics) is that Reform, aka Nigel Farage, are not going to stand on a platform of holding a second Brexit referendum at the next GE. Kemi Badenoch is a brexiteer so that rules out the Torys, at least while she's the leader.
So what if Labour does ? When a second ref has been talked about before now the general consensus has been that it's too early, that Brexit has to be given time to see how it works. If Labour do offer a second ref at the next GE and they win again the referendum probably wouldn't happen till at least 2032. So that would mean sixteen years after the first one. No one could argue that that is not enough time to see if Brexit was working or not.
And what would be the result. As far as i'm aware every single poll that has been taken over the last few years on how people would vote in another ref has shown a substantial majority for rejoining (in May it was 55% wrong to leave with 31% saying it was right to leave). And that majority will only get bigger. In the first ref it was mostly older people who voted to leave while younger people voted to remain. And there's only one way that different demography is going to change.
Over the next few years we may get caught up in a Trade war if Trump does follow up on his ideas about tarrifs. So little old UK would be stuck between the USA and the EU in that battle. And Labour will be in the perfect position to use that as an argument to rejoin especially as they'll have been working with the EU for a few years at that time trying to improve the current Brexit deal.
Another side benefit to Labour, who are a very pro Union party, is that a rejoin vote may also see off Scotlands fight for Indy. Just a thought. |  | | |  |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:14 - Dec 27 with 687 views | Flashberryjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:05 - Dec 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Decisions for Wales should be made in wales by welsh people.
Thats just normal.
Currently majority of decisions for Wales are decided in London, England.
Majority non-Welsh MPs voting.
Not really about laws.
HS2 is the best current example. Wales robbed of £4bn by Tories, and Labour are not going to address it.
Johnsons Covid corruption was part paid for by Wales.
The democratic deficit of wales voting for progressive parties for 100 years, but still getting governments of Englands choosing.
The lack of teaching of welsh culture in welsh school is apparent on the very website, instead welsh children are taught Britnat culture instead.
Welsh coal tips ignored, where is the benefit of the union ? What happened to the trillions of pounds made on welsh coal ?
The bullshite of Englands Brexit lies mainstreamed by BBC and MSM into Wales and against our interests.
Why is Wales paying for illegal wars ?
Why have Scotland and the north of Ireland got Air Passenger Duty devolved but not Wales.
Crown Estate in hands if Scottish Govt, but not Wales.
And many more ….
Look at Ireland being a grown up nation, able to make its own decisions. This is normal. |
"Look at Ireland being a grown up nation, able to make its own decisions"
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:31 - Dec 27 with 655 views | raynor94 |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:05 - Dec 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Decisions for Wales should be made in wales by welsh people.
Thats just normal.
Currently majority of decisions for Wales are decided in London, England.
Majority non-Welsh MPs voting.
Not really about laws.
HS2 is the best current example. Wales robbed of £4bn by Tories, and Labour are not going to address it.
Johnsons Covid corruption was part paid for by Wales.
The democratic deficit of wales voting for progressive parties for 100 years, but still getting governments of Englands choosing.
The lack of teaching of welsh culture in welsh school is apparent on the very website, instead welsh children are taught Britnat culture instead.
Welsh coal tips ignored, where is the benefit of the union ? What happened to the trillions of pounds made on welsh coal ?
The bullshite of Englands Brexit lies mainstreamed by BBC and MSM into Wales and against our interests.
Why is Wales paying for illegal wars ?
Why have Scotland and the north of Ireland got Air Passenger Duty devolved but not Wales.
Crown Estate in hands if Scottish Govt, but not Wales.
And many more ….
Look at Ireland being a grown up nation, able to make its own decisions. This is normal. |
The government have given Wales £25 million for a first payment for coal tips.
The decisions made by Welsh people, have been disastrous, NHS just for example |  |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 23:22 - Dec 27 with 609 views | STID2017 |
I was all for getting out.
There glad that is out of the way.
Not for the same reason that many people voted - to stop immigration, them coming over here taking our jobs ( jobs which most British born people will not do anyway, but why should that stop the racists from using it as a reason ), but because I genuinely believed we would be better off financially as an independent country.
I was wrong. When I am wrong I say I am wrong ( credit to Dirty Dancing there )
So if I could vote for us to rejoin I would
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 09:01 - Dec 28 with 571 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:14 - Dec 27 by Flashberryjack |
"Look at Ireland being a grown up nation, able to make its own decisions"
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That is why Ireland has a huge housing crisis far worse than the UK. | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 09:11 - Dec 28 with 564 views | STID2017 |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 09:01 - Dec 28 by felixstowe_jack |
That is why Ireland has a huge housing crisis far worse than the UK. |
Speaking as one with a lot of close family in Dublin and beyond, I have to say that ( just like many other countries) they have seen periods of economic growth and decline
If they had the natural resources that the UK had pre Thatcher, I would like to think they wouldn't have killed the Golden Goose the way she did.
I lived through those times and remember interest rates of 16% on my mortgage | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 11:22 - Dec 28 with 537 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 23:22 - Dec 27 by STID2017 |
I was all for getting out.
There glad that is out of the way.
Not for the same reason that many people voted - to stop immigration, them coming over here taking our jobs ( jobs which most British born people will not do anyway, but why should that stop the racists from using it as a reason ), but because I genuinely believed we would be better off financially as an independent country.
I was wrong. When I am wrong I say I am wrong ( credit to Dirty Dancing there )
So if I could vote for us to rejoin I would
Other opinions are available... |
Rejoining is as inevitable as night follows day.
You cant duck reality. |  |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 11:34 - Dec 28 with 529 views | AnotherJohn |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 11:22 - Dec 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Rejoining is as inevitable as night follows day.
You cant duck reality. |
Coming from somebody who doesn't know his Acquis from his arse that is genuinely amusing. All the serious politicians, including in Labour. know re-joining isn't feasible in the immediate future. If the EU changes in the longer term then it may come back onto the agenda. But is is a big "if". | | | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 12:07 - Dec 28 with 516 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 11:34 - Dec 28 by AnotherJohn |
Coming from somebody who doesn't know his Acquis from his arse that is genuinely amusing. All the serious politicians, including in Labour. know re-joining isn't feasible in the immediate future. If the EU changes in the longer term then it may come back onto the agenda. But is is a big "if". |
I said inevitable.
I did not say immediate.
Please try to keep up at the back of the class. | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 12:09 - Dec 28 with 514 views | Kilkennyjack |
Very insightful.
Wales getting bent over by Westminster whilst Ireland grows. | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 12:36 - Dec 28 with 494 views | raynor94 |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 11:22 - Dec 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Rejoining is as inevitable as night follows day.
You cant duck reality. |
Here we go again, rejoining the EU is your new mantra, just like your Wales is going to vote for independence, in reality they are never going to happen.
And by the way I voted remain, and was sad we voted to leave, but I'm more than happy to abide and live with the result
You should try it | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 12:47 - Dec 28 with 484 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 18:55 - Dec 27 by Kilkennyjack |
And i think you are a bit twp to be honest.
Poor dab. |
Irony is Kilkenny calling someone else twp.
Now tell me again, is Wales a sovereign nation and member of the UN? | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 13:00 - Dec 28 with 479 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:05 - Dec 27 by Kilkennyjack |
Decisions for Wales should be made in wales by welsh people.
Thats just normal.
Currently majority of decisions for Wales are decided in London, England.
Majority non-Welsh MPs voting.
Not really about laws.
HS2 is the best current example. Wales robbed of £4bn by Tories, and Labour are not going to address it.
Johnsons Covid corruption was part paid for by Wales.
The democratic deficit of wales voting for progressive parties for 100 years, but still getting governments of Englands choosing.
The lack of teaching of welsh culture in welsh school is apparent on the very website, instead welsh children are taught Britnat culture instead.
Welsh coal tips ignored, where is the benefit of the union ? What happened to the trillions of pounds made on welsh coal ?
The bullshite of Englands Brexit lies mainstreamed by BBC and MSM into Wales and against our interests.
Why is Wales paying for illegal wars ?
Why have Scotland and the north of Ireland got Air Passenger Duty devolved but not Wales.
Crown Estate in hands if Scottish Govt, but not Wales.
And many more ….
Look at Ireland being a grown up nation, able to make its own decisions. This is normal. |
Johnsons Covid corruption was part paid for by Wales.
ALL covid decisions in Wales for paid for by the UK
The democratic deficit of wales voting for progressive parties for 100 years, but still getting governments of Englands choosing.
Did England choose who runs the Senedd then? Besides which, in a UK election we are voting for a UK government so what the WHOLE of the Uk decides is what we get, Scotland and Northern Ireland too. You really do NOT understand democracy.
The bullshite of Englands Brexit lies mainstreamed by BBC and MSM into Wales and against our interests.
They weren't Englands lies, they were politicians lies.
Why is Wales paying for illegal wars ?
Which wars now?
Look at Ireland being a grown up nation, able to make its own decisions. This is normal.
The ROI has to follow EU rules, EU law takes primacy and there is a large groundswell of unease at what is going on in the ROI
Now your first sentence, as long as Wales wants to be in the union of the UK then decisions taken in Westminster, good or bad, right or wrong, are mandated by the people of the UK which includes Wales.
If Wales ever opts for independence then what you've said carries some credence, though it does sound like you would kick Liz Saville-Roberts out of the Senedd (should she be elected there) because she's not Welsh, a tad xenophobic aren't you? Maybe you mean Welsh residents? | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 13:33 - Dec 28 with 458 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 12:09 - Dec 28 by Kilkennyjack |
Very insightful.
Wales getting bent over by Westminster whilst Ireland grows. |
Are you advocating for wales to become little more than a petty tax haven? Where gdp shoots through the roof but living standards drop dramatically? That we invite the huge companies here to trade tax free hoping that something might trickle down eventually?
That’s quite a right wing economic ideology. [Post edited 28 Dec 2024 13:58]
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 15:05 - Dec 28 with 413 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 13:33 - Dec 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Are you advocating for wales to become little more than a petty tax haven? Where gdp shoots through the roof but living standards drop dramatically? That we invite the huge companies here to trade tax free hoping that something might trickle down eventually?
That’s quite a right wing economic ideology. [Post edited 28 Dec 2024 13:58]
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He'd love to be like Ireland. I wonder if he's ever been to Monaco, similar situation, it's a tax haven and the rich love it. | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:35 - Dec 28 with 360 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 12:47 - Dec 28 by SullutaCreturned |
Irony is Kilkenny calling someone else twp.
Now tell me again, is Wales a sovereign nation and member of the UN? |
Wales is not a Principality.
Wales is a nation.
England is a nation.
Scotland is a nation.
Ireland is a nation.
Northern Ireland is a 100 year old gerrymandered statelet, not a nation.
The UK comprises of 3 nations and currently the Northern Ireland statelet.
The UK is part of UN.
Not sure why any of this surprises anyone who lives in the UK. | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:38 - Dec 28 with 356 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 15:05 - Dec 28 by SullutaCreturned |
He'd love to be like Ireland. I wonder if he's ever been to Monaco, similar situation, it's a tax haven and the rich love it. |
For someone who claims to be left wing he doesn’t half lean into some right and even far right ideologies. A nationalist who believes we should be a tax haven where the rich can play whilst everyone else lives off crumbs that may or not trickle down at some point. He’s a bit of a Thatcherite really. | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:39 - Dec 28 with 353 views | Gwyn737 |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:38 - Dec 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
For someone who claims to be left wing he doesn’t half lean into some right and even far right ideologies. A nationalist who believes we should be a tax haven where the rich can play whilst everyone else lives off crumbs that may or not trickle down at some point. He’s a bit of a Thatcherite really. |
It’s really good example of going so far left you pop up on the right. | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:50 - Dec 28 with 330 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:39 - Dec 28 by Gwyn737 |
It’s really good example of going so far left you pop up on the right. |
We should call him KilKylie jack because he's always "spinning around".
He hates the English too, judging by his post, that's right wing because the lefty socialists don't hate anyone  | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:07 - Dec 28 with 298 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 17:38 - Dec 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
For someone who claims to be left wing he doesn’t half lean into some right and even far right ideologies. A nationalist who believes we should be a tax haven where the rich can play whilst everyone else lives off crumbs that may or not trickle down at some point. He’s a bit of a Thatcherite really. |
I certainly do not want Wales to be a tax haven.
I do want Wales in the EU.
You have described Johnsons England. | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:11 - Dec 28 with 293 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:07 - Dec 28 by Kilkennyjack |
I certainly do not want Wales to be a tax haven.
I do want Wales in the EU.
You have described Johnsons England. |
But you keep saying we should be like the ROI and they are a tax haven for the corporations. They can do that according to EU rules.
So you want Wales to be like them but not like them. Spinning again KilKylie. | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 22:51 - Dec 28 with 244 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:07 - Dec 28 by Kilkennyjack |
I certainly do not want Wales to be a tax haven.
I do want Wales in the EU.
You have described Johnsons England. |
No. You yourself made the comparison with Ireland mentioning their explosion in GDP over the last decade or so that was brought about by the country becoming the biggest tax haven in the world.
How else would a largely agrarian country with a small population get such a massive boost in GDP in such a short period? | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 23:20 - Dec 28 with 224 views | STID2017 |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 22:51 - Dec 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
No. You yourself made the comparison with Ireland mentioning their explosion in GDP over the last decade or so that was brought about by the country becoming the biggest tax haven in the world.
How else would a largely agrarian country with a small population get such a massive boost in GDP in such a short period? |
Sadly like Wales ( as well as the other parts of the UK) I believe that the growth in call centres and other light industry have grown to be the main employers in many areas
Of course in the past many Irish workers (both men and women) sought employment elsewhere and sent a large part of their earnings back home to their wives, or their Ma and Da | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 10:18 - Dec 29 with 144 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 23:20 - Dec 28 by STID2017 |
Sadly like Wales ( as well as the other parts of the UK) I believe that the growth in call centres and other light industry have grown to be the main employers in many areas
Of course in the past many Irish workers (both men and women) sought employment elsewhere and sent a large part of their earnings back home to their wives, or their Ma and Da |
Sadly what you believe or not carries no weight …..
Meanwhile Wiki says …..
The economy of the Republic of Ireland is a highly developed knowledge economy, focused on services in high-tech, life sciences, financial services and agribusiness, including agrifood. Ireland is an open economy (3rd on the Index of Economic Freedom),[27] and ranks first for high-value foreign direct investment (FDI) flows.[28] In the global GDP per capita tables, Ireland ranks 2nd of 192 in the IMF table and 4th of 187 in the World Bank ranking.[29][30]
Old Ma and Da should be mighty proud….. | |
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