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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 09:23 - Nov 11 by EagleEye
A question that I always ask myself in the heat of a match defining decision like that is if that happened at the other end of the pitch would the decision have been the same ? … my conclusion in this instance is never in a million years would we have got that decision. Shocker
Certainly a harsh decision but we need to understand the hand ball rule as it now applies
Previously there had to be a deliberate attempt to handle. That is not the case now. A hand in an “ unnatural position “ that comes into contact with the ball can lead to a penalty kick rightly or wrongly. Especially if the referee had viewed that it’s prevented the attacking team from a goal scoring opportunity.
I’m a big Grimes fan as most Swans fans are but I’m sorry to say this wasn’t his finest moment. It was very harsh but he gave the referee a decision to make unfortunately.
The rule needs reviewing. It’s a bit of a nonsense really and there’s far too much inconsistency and ambiguity around it.
Only an idiot would eat a turkey curry on Christmas day
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 11:04 - Nov 11 with 1525 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:03 - Nov 11 by onehunglow
Why are we so vulnerable late in the game. In fact ,most games Even when facing excreable teams ,like Cradiff,we manage to hand over control This is down to coaching and game management . I might have commented previously on this . The game lasts as long as it lasts . Almost is not good enough
Squad depth. There’s a trend of games slipping away from us after the substitutions are made. With the exception of Bianchini for Vipotnik, we are invariably bringing on weaker players. Maybe I don’t notice it because I’m not familiar with other teams players, but it rarely seems to affect our opponents.
Yesterday we clearly set up for the draw towards the end and it cost us. Milwall was the opposite.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 14:14 - Nov 11 with 1355 views
The lack of goals scored comes down to: 1) a lack of decent crosses from wingers/wingbacks & thru-balls centrally (Key provided some yesterday, and Tymon occasionally provides a few; Ronald should provide more than he does; and, whoever is playing the ACM, needs to provide more & better thru-balls); 2) lack of competent finishers (we've all discussed finding additional recruits, but why not try some of our younger players, e.g., Wilson, Nzingo, or a different #9, say Ronald up top?).
Here's an idea: Play Ronald in the #9 position, and Govea out wide in his spot. Enough of this insanity of playing the same players and expecting a different outcome!
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:32 - Nov 11 with 1263 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:21 - Nov 11 by ncswan
The lack of goals scored comes down to: 1) a lack of decent crosses from wingers/wingbacks & thru-balls centrally (Key provided some yesterday, and Tymon occasionally provides a few; Ronald should provide more than he does; and, whoever is playing the ACM, needs to provide more & better thru-balls); 2) lack of competent finishers (we've all discussed finding additional recruits, but why not try some of our younger players, e.g., Wilson, Nzingo, or a different #9, say Ronald up top?).
Here's an idea: Play Ronald in the #9 position, and Govea out wide in his spot. Enough of this insanity of playing the same players and expecting a different outcome!
On Sunday we played roughly the same players and had a different outcome to the previous two games. On the whole we are currently playing well.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:50 - Nov 11 with 1235 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:21 - Nov 11 by ncswan
The lack of goals scored comes down to: 1) a lack of decent crosses from wingers/wingbacks & thru-balls centrally (Key provided some yesterday, and Tymon occasionally provides a few; Ronald should provide more than he does; and, whoever is playing the ACM, needs to provide more & better thru-balls); 2) lack of competent finishers (we've all discussed finding additional recruits, but why not try some of our younger players, e.g., Wilson, Nzingo, or a different #9, say Ronald up top?).
Here's an idea: Play Ronald in the #9 position, and Govea out wide in his spot. Enough of this insanity of playing the same players and expecting a different outcome!
Here's another idea, get proper strikers instead of the duds we've got.
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:21 - Nov 11 by ncswan
The lack of goals scored comes down to: 1) a lack of decent crosses from wingers/wingbacks & thru-balls centrally (Key provided some yesterday, and Tymon occasionally provides a few; Ronald should provide more than he does; and, whoever is playing the ACM, needs to provide more & better thru-balls); 2) lack of competent finishers (we've all discussed finding additional recruits, but why not try some of our younger players, e.g., Wilson, Nzingo, or a different #9, say Ronald up top?).
Here's an idea: Play Ronald in the #9 position, and Govea out wide in his spot. Enough of this insanity of playing the same players and expecting a different outcome!
Ronald fails to look around when crossing and sometimes his final ball is a dud, yep i agree give him a try at 9.
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:32 - Nov 11 by Whiterockin
On Sunday we played roughly the same players and had a different outcome to the previous two games. On the whole we are currently playing well.
I disagree. We're playing one half of the pitch well, the defensive half. We're bottom of the table in goals scored with 11 goals so far. A reknown national team coach & player told me once that average strikers score about 1 in 10 shots on goal. That's an average striker. My point is (In My Opinion) it's obvious that not enough decent service is being provided to our supposed average goal scorers.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:35 - Nov 11 with 1127 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:32 - Nov 11 by ncswan
I disagree. We're playing one half of the pitch well, the defensive half. We're bottom of the table in goals scored with 11 goals so far. A reknown national team coach & player told me once that average strikers score about 1 in 10 shots on goal. That's an average striker. My point is (In My Opinion) it's obvious that not enough decent service is being provided to our supposed average goal scorers.
I think your argument falls apart when you say average striker, we don't have any.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:37 - Nov 11 with 1105 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 15:50 - Nov 11 by Flashberryjack
Here's another idea, get proper strikers instead of the duds we've got.
Please define "proper" striker. Both Vipo & Cullen have shown in the past that they can score. We need better & consistent creativity in providing through-balls & crosses into the box for "proper" strikers to score, imo.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:57 - Nov 11 with 1058 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:37 - Nov 11 by ncswan
Please define "proper" striker. Both Vipo & Cullen have shown in the past that they can score. We need better & consistent creativity in providing through-balls & crosses into the box for "proper" strikers to score, imo.
The six games prior to the Burnley game we had more shots than the opposition. We are creating chances, our finishing is poor.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:04 - Nov 11 with 1035 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 16:37 - Nov 11 by ncswan
Please define "proper" striker. Both Vipo & Cullen have shown in the past that they can score. We need better & consistent creativity in providing through-balls & crosses into the box for "proper" strikers to score, imo.
Anyone on the field of play is capapble of scoring goals, but a proper striker. is expected to score far more.
I've posted the stat before, and it's worth repeating.
The top strikers (like Haaland) generally have a chance conversion rate of about 35-40%. That means they convert roughly a third of the goalscoring opportunities that they get, and given the quality of the players around them, that's quite a bit more better opportunities than Vipo and Cullen will have, and with all due respect to them both, they're nowhere near that level.
Our forwards are lucky if they get one decent chance per game at present.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:32 - Nov 11 with 982 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:29 - Nov 11 by Dr_Winston
I've posted the stat before, and it's worth repeating.
The top strikers (like Haaland) generally have a chance conversion rate of about 35-40%. That means they convert roughly a third of the goalscoring opportunities that they get, and given the quality of the players around them, that's quite a bit more better opportunities than Vipo and Cullen will have, and with all due respect to them both, they're nowhere near that level.
Our forwards are lucky if they get one decent chance per game at present.
Sometimes a striker has got make things happen, hold the ball up or even cause defenders to break into a sweat, he doesn't, and of course, he has the unwanted knack of being at the wrong place at the right time.
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:29 - Nov 11 by Dr_Winston
I've posted the stat before, and it's worth repeating.
The top strikers (like Haaland) generally have a chance conversion rate of about 35-40%. That means they convert roughly a third of the goalscoring opportunities that they get, and given the quality of the players around them, that's quite a bit more better opportunities than Vipo and Cullen will have, and with all due respect to them both, they're nowhere near that level.
Our forwards are lucky if they get one decent chance per game at present.
We are simply not scoring enough goals. To say we are not having enough chances is wrong, in my humble opinion.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:12 - Nov 11 with 911 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 17:29 - Nov 11 by Dr_Winston
I've posted the stat before, and it's worth repeating.
The top strikers (like Haaland) generally have a chance conversion rate of about 35-40%. That means they convert roughly a third of the goalscoring opportunities that they get, and given the quality of the players around them, that's quite a bit more better opportunities than Vipo and Cullen will have, and with all due respect to them both, they're nowhere near that level.
Our forwards are lucky if they get one decent chance per game at present.
Thanks, Doc! Precisely my point. Comparing Swans attempted shots vs. opponents is like comparing apples to oranges. If the service isn't good enough quality, then the chance of scoring is reduced tremendously. Yes, sometimes the decisions are wrong on the striker's or attacker's part, when an extra pass is needed. And, the opposite could also be true as when a shot should have been taken instead of an improperly placed or timed pass. Swans need to provide better service to their main goal scorers.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:22 - Nov 11 with 891 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:12 - Nov 11 by ncswan
Thanks, Doc! Precisely my point. Comparing Swans attempted shots vs. opponents is like comparing apples to oranges. If the service isn't good enough quality, then the chance of scoring is reduced tremendously. Yes, sometimes the decisions are wrong on the striker's or attacker's part, when an extra pass is needed. And, the opposite could also be true as when a shot should have been taken instead of an improperly placed or timed pass. Swans need to provide better service to their main goal scorers.
In the 5 league games in October, despite numerous chances, we failed to score 1 goal.. not good enough.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:27 - Nov 11 with 885 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 18:22 - Nov 11 by lifelong
In the 5 league games in October, despite numerous chances, we failed to score 1 goal.. not good enough.
Ten shots on target in five games in October. Two a game on average.
"Numerous chances" my arse.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 19:04 - Nov 11 with 857 views
Burnley v Swansea City : Match day thread on 10:44 - Nov 11 by swancity
Certainly a harsh decision but we need to understand the hand ball rule as it now applies
Previously there had to be a deliberate attempt to handle. That is not the case now. A hand in an “ unnatural position “ that comes into contact with the ball can lead to a penalty kick rightly or wrongly. Especially if the referee had viewed that it’s prevented the attacking team from a goal scoring opportunity.
I’m a big Grimes fan as most Swans fans are but I’m sorry to say this wasn’t his finest moment. It was very harsh but he gave the referee a decision to make unfortunately.
The rule needs reviewing. It’s a bit of a nonsense really and there’s far too much inconsistency and ambiguity around it.
No matter what the handball law there will always be an element of interpretation down to the referee. Never in my lifetime (yet) have I ever witnessed a referee give a decision like that to us in the 92nd minute to decide a game. A big call and it appeared that he waited for the linesman’s view who was far further away from the incident than he was. The rule needs a review for sure but refereeing standards are just atrocious & inconsistent
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