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National League Cup Groups 16:09 - Sep 19 with 15406 viewsdale1968

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Group A
Brighton & Hove Albion
Fulham
Reading
Southampton
Aldershot Town
Maidenhead United
Wealdstone
Woking

Group B
Blackburn Rovers
Manchester United
Stoke City
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Altrincham
Forest Green Rovers
Oldham Athletic
Rochdale

Group C
Leeds United
Middlesbrough
Newcastle United
Sunderland
Boston United
Gateshead
FC Halifax Town
Tamworth

Group D
Nottingham Forest
Tottenham Hotspur
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United
Braintree Town
Dagenham & Redbridge
Ebbsfleet United
Sutton United

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National League Cup Groups on 16:31 - Sep 19 with 9475 viewsIOMDale

I honestly can't think of a competition I've been less enthused about.
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National League Cup Groups on 16:32 - Sep 19 with 9481 viewsTrev

National League Cup Groups on 16:31 - Sep 19 by IOMDale

I honestly can't think of a competition I've been less enthused about.


This sounds proper shit, doesn't it?
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National League Cup Groups on 16:41 - Sep 19 with 9449 viewsseasidedale

Think this will a good completion to give fringe and youngsters experience and games, like we used it in the papa John trophy and other incarnations
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National League Cup Groups on 17:15 - Sep 19 with 9332 views442Dale

So everyone plays four teams and the top two go through? Much like the stupid nature of the Champions League, having a competition where you have spend ages working out fixtures and permutations is another nail in the football coffin.

Why couldn’t they have had eight groups of four then a last sixteen round?

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National League Cup Groups on 17:31 - Sep 19 with 9275 viewsNorthernDale

I would put out many of the youth team and squad not getting game time, rather then the first team for this pointless competition.
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National League Cup Groups on 17:43 - Sep 19 with 9226 viewsD_Alien

WTF?

Poll: What are you planning to do v Newport

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National League Cup Groups on 18:29 - Sep 19 with 9085 viewsrichfoad32

I know they're somewhat isolated geographically but it seems Forest Green have been stiffed with a bit of travelling. Or do teams have to travel to their place? I honestly can't be arsed to read the competition rules.

Also, where are York City and Solihull, have the lucky gits managed to swerve it?
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National League Cup Groups on 18:44 - Sep 19 with 9025 viewsBigKindo

National League Cup Groups on 18:29 - Sep 19 by richfoad32

I know they're somewhat isolated geographically but it seems Forest Green have been stiffed with a bit of travelling. Or do teams have to travel to their place? I honestly can't be arsed to read the competition rules.

Also, where are York City and Solihull, have the lucky gits managed to swerve it?


Wasn't there the option to opt out?
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National League Cup Groups on 18:45 - Sep 19 with 9017 viewsEllDale

Are these the under 21 teams of Premiership clubs as in the EFL Trophy?
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National League Cup Groups on 18:50 - Sep 19 with 8988 viewsrichfoad32

National League Cup Groups on 18:44 - Sep 19 by BigKindo

Wasn't there the option to opt out?


Possibly. As I say, I haven't delved to deeply into the competition's minutiae.

Maybe as a reward for beating Dale, they didn't have to take part in this abomination.
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National League Cup Groups on 18:59 - Sep 19 with 8951 views442Dale

As the home club keep all the receipts, they can make their own decisions on admission prices and Dale will have to put some real imagination into this if they want people to turn up.

Season ticket holders for a fiver at most, general admission £6 (if that’s allowed to charge more).

In fact, I think even that’s too much.

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National League Cup Groups on 19:02 - Sep 19 with 8945 viewsNorthernDale

National League Cup Groups on 18:44 - Sep 19 by BigKindo

Wasn't there the option to opt out?


According to the Oldham fans site, a number of teams opted out of the competition including York, Southend, Solihull and Hartlepool according to their site. Oldhams fans think it is a distraction to their promotion hopes.
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National League Cup Groups on 19:06 - Sep 19 with 8924 viewsTVOS1907

National League Cup Groups on 18:29 - Sep 19 by richfoad32

I know they're somewhat isolated geographically but it seems Forest Green have been stiffed with a bit of travelling. Or do teams have to travel to their place? I honestly can't be arsed to read the competition rules.

Also, where are York City and Solihull, have the lucky gits managed to swerve it?


The NL teams are playing the PL2 teams at home, so each NL team has four games, all at home, and each PL2 team has four games, all away.

We aren’t playing the other NL teams.



I think!
[Post edited 19 Sep 19:09]

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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National League Cup Groups on 20:48 - Sep 19 with 8638 viewsEllDale

I don’t see the attraction in this competition?
It won’t be lucrative and BJ wasn’t too long ago talking about fixture overcrowding.
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National League Cup Groups on 08:17 - Sep 20 with 8114 viewsDalenet

National League Cup Groups on 20:48 - Sep 19 by EllDale

I don’t see the attraction in this competition?
It won’t be lucrative and BJ wasn’t too long ago talking about fixture overcrowding.


He did. He said he wasn't sure about the merits of this competition, which was "offered" to the National League as an alternative to lucrative cup replays. It may well work for some of the more recently promoted teams the National League as a bit of a novelty. But we all saw the mess of the Papa Johns thing when we were a league team. It won't be well attended. And Hartlepool have opted out despite the opportunity to host Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough - says it all really
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National League Cup Groups on 11:58 - Sep 20 with 7827 viewsDaleFan7

A competition that very few people want to see. Our attendances were low when it was the EFL trophy so they will be even less for this.

Even if the home team do keep all of the gate receipts. Are we going to make any profit if we get 500 people paying between £5 and £10?
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National League Cup Groups on 13:37 - Sep 20 with 7614 viewsEllDale

Might not even cover floodlight costs once VAT has been deducted.
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National League Cup Groups on 13:45 - Sep 20 with 7555 views49thseason

Club statement..
https://rochdaleafc.co.uk/our-position-on-the-national-league-cup/
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National League Cup Groups on 14:11 - Sep 20 with 7499 viewsD_Alien

National League Cup Groups on 13:45 - Sep 20 by 49thseason

Club statement..
https://rochdaleafc.co.uk/our-position-on-the-national-league-cup/


If there's a financial arrangement been made which at least covers any deficit in hosting these games, that'll go a long way towards positive participation

There's no reference to any financial rewards for progression. That would've been useful, in what is otherwise a statement with welcome clarity

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National League Cup Groups on 14:53 - Sep 20 with 7399 views49thseason

Seems there is £1m to be distributed between the participating National League Clubs.....no suggestion that there is more money for the winners so its money for participation £1,000,000 / 16..... no money to Prem clubs. So £62,500 per NL club to cover overheads... the asumption must be that the Prem clubs will play against each other in the later rounds?
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National League Cup Groups on 15:35 - Sep 20 with 7296 viewsJames1980

National League Cup Groups on 14:53 - Sep 20 by 49thseason

Seems there is £1m to be distributed between the participating National League Clubs.....no suggestion that there is more money for the winners so its money for participation £1,000,000 / 16..... no money to Prem clubs. So £62,500 per NL club to cover overheads... the asumption must be that the Prem clubs will play against each other in the later rounds?


At any of the forums/AGMs/EGMs has anyone said how much it costs to put an average match on

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National League Cup Groups on 17:55 - Sep 20 with 7027 viewsTVOS1907

National League Cup Groups on 14:53 - Sep 20 by 49thseason

Seems there is £1m to be distributed between the participating National League Clubs.....no suggestion that there is more money for the winners so its money for participation £1,000,000 / 16..... no money to Prem clubs. So £62,500 per NL club to cover overheads... the asumption must be that the Prem clubs will play against each other in the later rounds?


Only if they qualify.

When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?

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National League Cup Groups on 18:05 - Sep 20 with 7002 views442Dale

National League Cup Groups on 14:11 - Sep 20 by D_Alien

If there's a financial arrangement been made which at least covers any deficit in hosting these games, that'll go a long way towards positive participation

There's no reference to any financial rewards for progression. That would've been useful, in what is otherwise a statement with welcome clarity


Yes, it’s good that the club have quickly explained the situation.

Not sure I’m a fan of the “proper football pyramid of three up, three down, between the EFL and National League” line. Were we arguing for a “proper football pyramid” 18 months ago? Will we continue to do so if we go up this season? If so, great.

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National League Cup Groups on 18:17 - Sep 20 with 6962 viewsD_Alien

National League Cup Groups on 18:05 - Sep 20 by 442Dale

Yes, it’s good that the club have quickly explained the situation.

Not sure I’m a fan of the “proper football pyramid of three up, three down, between the EFL and National League” line. Were we arguing for a “proper football pyramid” 18 months ago? Will we continue to do so if we go up this season? If so, great.


Agreed

There has to be some distinction imo between promotion/relegation within the EFL and entry to/exit from the EFL otherwise might as well just call the NL League Three and forget about other entry requirements such as ground capacity

Needs to be thought through by all clubs, not just Dale, but there's not much wrong with existing arrangements
[Post edited 20 Sep 19:15]

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National League Cup Groups on 20:04 - Sep 20 with 6674 viewspioneer

Lets hope we dont hear any moaning about fixture congestion, player burn out and the like later on in the season. And the possibility of a player getting a long term or season ending injury in one of these games doesnt bear thinking of.

This competition is madness.
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