| Labour voters 00:45 - Sep 4 with 6522 views | Boundy |
still the right choice ?
This must be the 4th or 5th bombshell from Labour, Pensioners winter fuel allowance, can’t rule out pension taxes and LTA changes, can’t rule out removing the single persons council tax discount and now they are clearly positioning us to expect a significant reduction in the armed forces spending, just when the world is at its most dangerous since the Cold War. |  |
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| Labour voters on 07:15 - Sep 4 with 3172 views | Gwyn737 |
Absolutely.
They said they wouldn’t raise income tax, NI or VAT which leaves around 20% of the intake to play with so I’m not surprised everything is on the table.
This is the period when new governments are at their most popular and get to blame the previous lot so it’s when unpopular decisions are made.
I’ll probably decide if their doing a good job in a couple of years, in the understanding that what I think is a good job won’t be shared by all. | | | |
| Labour voters on 07:28 - Sep 4 with 3128 views | Dr_Winston |
Their window of opportunity for blaming the Tories slammed shut when they axed WFA in the ham fisted way that they did whilst simultaneously committing tens of billions to public sector payrises and overseas aid.
Cutting WFA for all but those who need it was absolutely an option, but it would have taken ten minutes of investigation to realise that drawing the line at those in receipt of Pension Credit was a bad idea. In Labours world Pensioners are mostly right wingers anyway so they thought it cost them nothing. Now they're finding out the folly of that decision.
Chuck in the fact that people are being jailed for tweets whilst the two specimens who had a big hand in starting that whole situation by breaking the WPC's nose in Manchester haven't even been charged yet and you have a pressure cooker that is becoming dangerously and quickly volatile.
That's not even going into the many other areas where they just look incompetent already. Lammy's student politics. Millibands letter to the energy companies, and many more. They're just playing into the hands of Reform, or the Tories if they appoint someone competent. [Post edited 4 Sep 7:33]
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| Labour voters on 07:46 - Sep 4 with 3145 views | majorraglan |
I’m not a Labour voter, but I believe a Labour government is the right choice, the last lot are without doubt the worse government we’ve had in living memory.
There was an article in several news streams yesterday about the “black hole” in the finances, Simon Case who’s been the head of the civil service for the last 4 years supported claims by chancellor Rachel Reeves that the previous Conservative government contributed to recent spending pressures by failing to update departmental budgets, which were set in a 2021 spending review. Budgets need to be reviewed regularly and spending managed, that can’t be done when the figures are so out of date.
It’s the same with the pay rises. Labour are now honouring the recommendations the pay panels have made after hearing the submissions of the stakeholders. Ususally, the government set the parameters in relation to affordability, however this year the Conservative government failed to do that and just allowed the pay review panels to crack on. Why didn’t the previous government set parameters, was it incompetence, an oversight or were they deliberately “laying a trap” so they could critisce Labour? Tbh I’ve no idea, but whatever it was means it’s costing us extra money which may not have been accounted for. I’ve no issue with people getting the pay rise they deserve, but we need solid governance so finances can be managed. | | | |
| Labour voters on 07:56 - Sep 4 with 3130 views | Scotia |
I'm not a Labour voter either but have no problem with their performance so far. In fact I'd probably vote for them should there be an election again under Starmer's leadership.
The WFA means testing is the correct thing to do, in theory, there is debate about the level of those means though. All benefits should be means tested.
I'd bet single persons council tax benefit is the most fraudelently clainmed benefit in the system. Perhaps cutting it completley is a step too far, but it needs to be looked at. | | | |
| Labour voters on 08:01 - Sep 4 with 3091 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour voters on 07:56 - Sep 4 by Scotia |
I'm not a Labour voter either but have no problem with their performance so far. In fact I'd probably vote for them should there be an election again under Starmer's leadership.
The WFA means testing is the correct thing to do, in theory, there is debate about the level of those means though. All benefits should be means tested.
I'd bet single persons council tax benefit is the most fraudelently clainmed benefit in the system. Perhaps cutting it completley is a step too far, but it needs to be looked at. |
Single person's council tax discount, not benefit. And even then they still pay 3/4 of what a family of five would pay despite using a fraction of the services. | |
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| Labour voters on 08:21 - Sep 4 with 3092 views | Scotia |
| Labour voters on 08:01 - Sep 4 by Dr_Winston |
Single person's council tax discount, not benefit. And even then they still pay 3/4 of what a family of five would pay despite using a fraction of the services. |
That's assuming they live in a comparable value property though.
I'd agree eliminating it is probably a step too far and the system isn't ideal, but I bet everyone knows co-habiting couples who claim the discount fradulently.
I even know housing associations who encourage couples who "live together" but have two fully funded flats to alternate between the two properties 3 / 4 nights a week alternatley to continue receiving the discount and the housing association get two lots of housing benefit.
The housing association also help them throw money away (and bought a safe) to keep their visible savings under £16k.
The entire system needs to be overhauled. | | | |
| Labour voters on 08:25 - Sep 4 with 3062 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour voters on 08:21 - Sep 4 by Scotia |
That's assuming they live in a comparable value property though.
I'd agree eliminating it is probably a step too far and the system isn't ideal, but I bet everyone knows co-habiting couples who claim the discount fradulently.
I even know housing associations who encourage couples who "live together" but have two fully funded flats to alternate between the two properties 3 / 4 nights a week alternatley to continue receiving the discount and the housing association get two lots of housing benefit.
The housing association also help them throw money away (and bought a safe) to keep their visible savings under £16k.
The entire system needs to be overhauled. |
The value of the property shouldn't matter. A single person living in a £1m house is still going to use council services significantly less than a family in a £150k house.
I have no doubt at all about the rest of what you're saying. I have long experience with "support workers" of all kinds. Many of them are dangerously underinformed in a lot of areas, and decidedly dodgy in others. | |
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| Labour voters on 08:38 - Sep 4 with 3065 views | YrAlarch |
Don't believe the right wing press. wait for the Budget.
Interesting to hear that although they will be abolishing the WFP, old age pensions are due to rise above the level of inflation next April.
the Tory Government had 14 years to put things right, but spent more time stabbing each other in the back than governing the country.
Labour have been in power some 4 months. Give them a chance. | | | |
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| Labour voters on 08:53 - Sep 4 with 3049 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 08:38 - Sep 4 by YrAlarch |
Don't believe the right wing press. wait for the Budget.
Interesting to hear that although they will be abolishing the WFP, old age pensions are due to rise above the level of inflation next April.
the Tory Government had 14 years to put things right, but spent more time stabbing each other in the back than governing the country.
Labour have been in power some 4 months. Give them a chance. |
And after four months ?
Or given them six mo the
Or 12 months
Or Three years
They are in and we are stuck with them so they’d better come go
Milliband and Lammy | |
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| Labour voters on 08:58 - Sep 4 with 3056 views | Robbie |
As mentioned earlier I as a single dweller claiming my 25 % discount will now have to pay the same as a family of 2 adults and mabye up to 5 children .
Many of that family will be using all of the available services to them at all times .
I however do not need so much help , my local sevices have shut my close by swimming pool and still expect me to pay more in Council Tax , lets hope my local leisure centre and public library does not follow suite .
People will say , Ah but the safety net is there if you need it though .
Last I seen their aint no safety net , extra for everthing incuding removing bulky waste .
Council Tax rises next April on top of this potential discount removal too .
Another Labour lie of hitting the High Fliers and Big Business , he is after the middle ground decent earning working man .
A far easier fish to catch than going after off shore accounts and then tied up in legalities .
Glad I never voted for him , never intended , Blair turned me off Labour with His lies . | | | |
| Labour voters on 09:20 - Sep 4 with 3017 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 08:58 - Sep 4 by Robbie |
As mentioned earlier I as a single dweller claiming my 25 % discount will now have to pay the same as a family of 2 adults and mabye up to 5 children .
Many of that family will be using all of the available services to them at all times .
I however do not need so much help , my local sevices have shut my close by swimming pool and still expect me to pay more in Council Tax , lets hope my local leisure centre and public library does not follow suite .
People will say , Ah but the safety net is there if you need it though .
Last I seen their aint no safety net , extra for everthing incuding removing bulky waste .
Council Tax rises next April on top of this potential discount removal too .
Another Labour lie of hitting the High Fliers and Big Business , he is after the middle ground decent earning working man .
A far easier fish to catch than going after off shore accounts and then tied up in legalities .
Glad I never voted for him , never intended , Blair turned me off Labour with His lies . |
The “ rich” have never been “ hit” and never will ve.
The sponsor both Tory and Labour candidates
Middle man is easy meat he doesn’t claim
They” poor” have the cushion others don’t have or want | |
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| Labour voters on 12:12 - Sep 4 with 2938 views | Boundy |
| Labour voters on 07:15 - Sep 4 by Gwyn737 |
Absolutely.
They said they wouldn’t raise income tax, NI or VAT which leaves around 20% of the intake to play with so I’m not surprised everything is on the table.
This is the period when new governments are at their most popular and get to blame the previous lot so it’s when unpopular decisions are made.
I’ll probably decide if their doing a good job in a couple of years, in the understanding that what I think is a good job won’t be shared by all. |
If you belive that Starmer & co are at the height of popularity then you're in for a suprise ,never has a new leader of the new governments popularity fallen so low so quickly.All we've had is doom and gloom and despite what some posters belive not all emanating from the so called right wing media.Id love to see the country to succeed, who wouldn't but the signs are not good despite their young tenure. | |
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| Labour voters on 13:46 - Sep 4 with 2858 views | raynor94 |
| Labour voters on 07:56 - Sep 4 by Scotia |
I'm not a Labour voter either but have no problem with their performance so far. In fact I'd probably vote for them should there be an election again under Starmer's leadership.
The WFA means testing is the correct thing to do, in theory, there is debate about the level of those means though. All benefits should be means tested.
I'd bet single persons council tax benefit is the most fraudelently clainmed benefit in the system. Perhaps cutting it completley is a step too far, but it needs to be looked at. |
I would imagine there are lot of pensioners living on their own, if they do scrap the 25% discount, it's yet another difficult pill to swallow for them.
But Starmer and Reeves have gone down in my estimation so far, time is running out to keep blaming the Tories |  |
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| Labour voters on 15:43 - Sep 4 with 2815 views | Flashberryjack |
| Labour voters on 08:53 - Sep 4 by onehunglow |
And after four months ?
Or given them six mo the
Or 12 months
Or Three years
They are in and we are stuck with them so they’d better come go
Milliband and Lammy |
Milliband and Lammy ? no government can survive if they have them pair of wasters as ministers. |  |
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| Labour voters on 16:21 - Sep 4 with 2784 views | AnotherJohn |
| Labour voters on 15:43 - Sep 4 by Flashberryjack |
Milliband and Lammy ? no government can survive if they have them pair of wasters as ministers. |
Two controversial decisions already.
Not opposing litigation against the companies that were recently licensed to develop new North Sea oil fields.
The banning of some military supplies sales to Israel.
Will they please more than they dismay? | | | |
| Labour voters on 16:38 - Sep 4 with 2760 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 15:43 - Sep 4 by Flashberryjack |
Milliband and Lammy ? no government can survive if they have them pair of wasters as ministers. |
In key jobs
Lammy Foreign Secretary
It is incredible
It is sick
Mikli band was dead in the water | |
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| Labour voters on 17:47 - Sep 4 with 2743 views | johnlangy |
| Labour voters on 07:15 - Sep 4 by Gwyn737 |
Absolutely.
They said they wouldn’t raise income tax, NI or VAT which leaves around 20% of the intake to play with so I’m not surprised everything is on the table.
This is the period when new governments are at their most popular and get to blame the previous lot so it’s when unpopular decisions are made.
I’ll probably decide if their doing a good job in a couple of years, in the understanding that what I think is a good job won’t be shared by all. |
Correct Gwyn. Right choice ? After what the Tories did ? No question.
As you say, let's see what happens in year or two. Then judge | | | |
| Labour voters on 17:48 - Sep 4 with 2740 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Labour voters on 08:25 - Sep 4 by Dr_Winston |
The value of the property shouldn't matter. A single person living in a £1m house is still going to use council services significantly less than a family in a £150k house.
I have no doubt at all about the rest of what you're saying. I have long experience with "support workers" of all kinds. Many of them are dangerously underinformed in a lot of areas, and decidedly dodgy in others. |
I have long said that council tax is a bgger rip off than poll tax. You shaould pay for services rendered not based on the value of your house. Iagine if every bill was calculated by the values of our houses and not by how much we used/consumed?
The state pension is rising by more than inflation because of the triple lock. Labour could always do away with the triple lock? | | | |
| Labour voters on 18:18 - Sep 4 with 2718 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour voters on 17:48 - Sep 4 by SullutaCreturned |
I have long said that council tax is a bgger rip off than poll tax. You shaould pay for services rendered not based on the value of your house. Iagine if every bill was calculated by the values of our houses and not by how much we used/consumed?
The state pension is rising by more than inflation because of the triple lock. Labour could always do away with the triple lock? |
I read today that the pension will be rising by about £400 due to the triple lock.
Will that take the sting out of the WFA removal? | | | |
| Labour voters on 18:22 - Sep 4 with 2711 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour voters on 12:12 - Sep 4 by Boundy |
If you belive that Starmer & co are at the height of popularity then you're in for a suprise ,never has a new leader of the new governments popularity fallen so low so quickly.All we've had is doom and gloom and despite what some posters belive not all emanating from the so called right wing media.Id love to see the country to succeed, who wouldn't but the signs are not good despite their young tenure. |
Have you forgotten the Tories “they left a note to say there’s no money so now we have to have 10 years of austerity”.
Tory votes like this kind of thing because it feels like ‘scroungers’ are getting their comeuppance.
I absolutely knew Labour would raise taxes. Good. We need stuff fixed.
I may not agree with all their choices, but most important to me is that it’s spent well. | | | |
| Labour voters on 18:43 - Sep 4 with 2683 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Labour voters on 18:18 - Sep 4 by Gwyn737 |
I read today that the pension will be rising by about £400 due to the triple lock.
Will that take the sting out of the WFA removal? |
Not if energy prices rise by £700 |  |
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| Labour voters on 18:50 - Sep 4 with 2678 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Labour voters on 18:22 - Sep 4 by Gwyn737 |
Have you forgotten the Tories “they left a note to say there’s no money so now we have to have 10 years of austerity”.
Tory votes like this kind of thing because it feels like ‘scroungers’ are getting their comeuppance.
I absolutely knew Labour would raise taxes. Good. We need stuff fixed.
I may not agree with all their choices, but most important to me is that it’s spent well. |
That last sentence is more important than anything else. Tax take is at an all time high. There has never been this much coin flowing into the treasury. But unfortunately also at an all time high is the amount spunked up the wall on dogmatic green initiatives, inefficient public services, a failed immigration and many other hare brained schemes. | |
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| Labour voters on 19:15 - Sep 4 with 2639 views | AnotherJohn |
| Labour voters on 18:18 - Sep 4 by Gwyn737 |
I read today that the pension will be rising by about £400 due to the triple lock.
Will that take the sting out of the WFA removal? |
Isn't the theory that this is a catch-up payment to restore the real income of pensioners to its previous level following a period of unusually high inflation? I suppose one could argue the latest uplift may have marginally exceeded the inflation rate, but on the other hand items like food form a larger part of the budgets of lower income-people, and that is one of the areas where prices rose most sharply, disproportionately affecting pensioners. | | | |
| Labour voters on 19:16 - Sep 4 with 2632 views | onehunglow |
| Labour voters on 18:22 - Sep 4 by Gwyn737 |
Have you forgotten the Tories “they left a note to say there’s no money so now we have to have 10 years of austerity”.
Tory votes like this kind of thing because it feels like ‘scroungers’ are getting their comeuppance.
I absolutely knew Labour would raise taxes. Good. We need stuff fixed.
I may not agree with all their choices, but most important to me is that it’s spent well. |
Your comments are based on your political views
That’s quite normal | |
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| Labour voters on 19:24 - Sep 4 with 2597 views | KeithHaynes |
They are all wrong uns.
I’m still all for bringing the fecking lot down. |  |
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