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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment 23:19 - Aug 27 with 5080 viewsmajorraglan

Several newspapers are carrying reports that following her poorly received mini budget, Truss considered scrapping NHS cancer treatments to save money. To be honest I was stunned when I first read the article in The Independent and thought it was a wind up because April the 1st had passed, but the story is being carried by nearly all the papers. The articles give the impression that things were shambolic under Truss, but it’s staggering that she and some of her team could countenance such a move.

https://www.independent.co.uk/?CMP=ILC-refresh


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/27/liz-truss-considered-cu





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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 16:47 - Aug 28 with 786 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 16:38 - Aug 28 by Flashberryjack

It's easy to sell lies and untruths to people who want those lies and untruths to be true.


If they are lies and untruths then she can surely sue them for libel,

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 16:53 - Aug 28 with 773 viewsFlashberryjack

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 16:47 - Aug 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

If they are lies and untruths then she can surely sue them for libel,


Do you honestly believe that she considered scrapping all cancer treatment, that would be absolute political suicide, and even she wasn't that thick.

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:13 - Aug 28 with 739 viewsAnotherJohn

I thought Liz Truss's policies were crazy, but the consensus seems to be that the long-term economic consequences have been exaggerated.

https://www.ft.com/content/18eedb62-a5c7-496e-9e8e-c6273f217fdb

https://fullfact.org/news/pmqs-snp-uk-economy-truss/

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/truss-kwarteng-mini-budget-one-year

https://julianhjessop.com/2023/02/04/did-the-liz-truss-really-cost-the-country-i

The Resolution Foundation led the way in stating that there was a £30 billion cost to the UK economy, but has since suggested a reduced impact.

The losers were some mortgage payers, especially those who entered new fixed rate deals at a bad time. However, UK rates rose and later fell in a similar way to those in other countries.

Having said all this I have yet to see any virtue in anything Truss says,
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:13 - Aug 28 with 739 viewsmajorraglan

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:45 - Aug 28 by Wingstandwood

Ahhhh it's in "THE" book.... QUOTE: "claims new book".

Considered scrapping "ALL" cancer treatment?

Shove fake news and untrustworty books aimed at idiots and the uninformed where the sun doesn't shine.

"Books hey"? Like the "fantasy" lie filled book about the (former Morriston solicitors situated close to Sway Road police station hey!!!!!) Clydach murders.....David Icke's infantile venture into literature after he had left the world of BBC snooker and bowls presentation to become an expert on skyscraper structual steel, along with all the others on show upon the shelf in the'pseudoscientific' and 'conspiracy theory' book sections of Boots and Waterstones.


The original article definitely used the word “ALL” which is why I was astounded, the updated article also features the word “All” in its headline. Unfortunately when I attached the link last night it was for the Independent’s home page and not the original story. The author, Sir Anthony Seldon has done biographies on the last 7 uk prime ministers. It may be a BS story, but then again there may be something in it. If it’s a pack of lies I’d expect to see Truss litigate.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/liz-truss-kwasi-kwarteng-at-10-nh
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:24 - Aug 28 with 716 viewsWingstandwood

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 16:38 - Aug 28 by Flashberryjack

It's easy to sell lies and untruths to people who want those lies and untruths to be true.


Yep, and with perfect timing, what with the furore about upcoming tax rises, accusations of two tier policing, state censorship. letting out of prisoners too early, riots, and small boat arrivals hitting 20,000 this week etc.

So to sum up i.e. despite the Conservative Party having truy appalling and disastrous opinion poll ratings with some polls showing 15% - 25%+ gaps between Labour and Conservative Party, and when a general election was just around the corner?

Liz Truss decided that the best way to avoid the total extinction of The Conservative Party was to hit its dwindling support base with news about the party's future direction?

A direction showing mass NHS closures involving The Royal Marsden Hospital, Clatterbridge Cancer Centre, Addenbrooke's Oncology Centre etc..... And with never witnessed before mass NHS redundancies and complete destruction of ALL NHS cancer treatment services and provision. When she could have up'd VAT, NI, fuel duty, and income tax instead?

Argus!

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 18:56 - Aug 28 with 640 viewsBoundy

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 12:24 - Aug 28 by controversial_jack

No, but they can join the military, admittedly not combat until they are 18. They can work and pay taxes though.


Still missing the 👉

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:11 - Aug 28 with 593 viewscontroversial_jack

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 18:56 - Aug 28 by Boundy

Still missing the 👉


What?
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:13 - Aug 28 with 619 viewsFlashberryjack

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:24 - Aug 28 by Wingstandwood

Yep, and with perfect timing, what with the furore about upcoming tax rises, accusations of two tier policing, state censorship. letting out of prisoners too early, riots, and small boat arrivals hitting 20,000 this week etc.

So to sum up i.e. despite the Conservative Party having truy appalling and disastrous opinion poll ratings with some polls showing 15% - 25%+ gaps between Labour and Conservative Party, and when a general election was just around the corner?

Liz Truss decided that the best way to avoid the total extinction of The Conservative Party was to hit its dwindling support base with news about the party's future direction?

A direction showing mass NHS closures involving The Royal Marsden Hospital, Clatterbridge Cancer Centre, Addenbrooke's Oncology Centre etc..... And with never witnessed before mass NHS redundancies and complete destruction of ALL NHS cancer treatment services and provision. When she could have up'd VAT, NI, fuel duty, and income tax instead?


Some people will believe anything if they want to be true, and disbelieve anything they don't want to be true.

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:25 - Aug 28 with 614 viewstheloneranger

The same "book" that claims Rees-Mogg suggested getting a nuclear submarine to dock at Liverpool and plug it into the grid, to promote nuclear energy - but his idea was dismissed, because the subs are needed in operations. 😂

Everyday above ground ... Is a good day! 😎

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:32 - Aug 28 with 610 viewsScotia

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:13 - Aug 28 by Flashberryjack

Some people will believe anything if they want to be true, and disbelieve anything they don't want to be true.


Did you mean that to be ironic?
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:37 - Aug 28 with 607 viewsScotia

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 11:45 - Aug 28 by Wingstandwood

Ahhhh it's in "THE" book.... QUOTE: "claims new book".

Considered scrapping "ALL" cancer treatment?

Shove fake news and untrustworty books aimed at idiots and the uninformed where the sun doesn't shine.

"Books hey"? Like the "fantasy" lie filled book about the (former Morriston solicitors situated close to Sway Road police station hey!!!!!) Clydach murders.....David Icke's infantile venture into literature after he had left the world of BBC snooker and bowls presentation to become an expert on skyscraper structual steel, along with all the others on show upon the shelf in the'pseudoscientific' and 'conspiracy theory' book sections of Boots and Waterstones.


Jesus Christ I missed this. Amazing post.

Got some direct experience of the topics you post about now have you?
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:40 - Aug 28 with 607 viewsWingstandwood

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:13 - Aug 28 by Flashberryjack

Some people will believe anything if they want to be true, and disbelieve anything they don't want to be true.


For Liz Truss to make a proposal to close all NHS cancer services, hospitals, wards, units and facilities would have meant that she had gone completely insane like fictional character Colonel Kurtz did (played by Marlon Brando) in movie Apocalypse Now.

Denying NHS cancer treatment to millions of patients that require it, anything on par with that?

Maybe proposing to throw babies and their incubators from top floor maternity wards as a cost cutting measure is on par?

Argus!

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:44 - Aug 28 with 603 viewsWingstandwood

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:37 - Aug 28 by Scotia

Jesus Christ I missed this. Amazing post.

Got some direct experience of the topics you post about now have you?


Yep!

Argus!

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 20:33 - Aug 28 with 564 viewsScotia

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:44 - Aug 28 by Wingstandwood

Yep!


So you were actually party to Liz Truss and her conversations in Downing Street?
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:02 - Aug 28 with 543 viewsWingstandwood

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 20:33 - Aug 28 by Scotia

So you were actually party to Liz Truss and her conversations in Downing Street?


Wasn't at that one in exactly the same way that I was not at any of the alien abduction events that often end up in books, whereupon the author who has written the book always gets experimented upon whilst aboard the mothership, to then be released, to write a book about it afterwards.

Which is? To everyone belonging to the world of the bleeding-bloody-obvious, nearly as far fetched as a person wishing to cause the very extinction of her own political party by blatantly denying vital NHS services to millions of cancer sufferers. Man, woman and child alike!

Call me picky but that may be considered to be a bit of a vote loser bearing in mind also that its best not to do so whilst a politcal party is sinking ever deeper in the quicksand of political oblivion.

"Righty tighty, lefty loosey".

Argus!

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:16 - Aug 28 with 511 viewsmajorraglan

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 17:13 - Aug 28 by AnotherJohn

I thought Liz Truss's policies were crazy, but the consensus seems to be that the long-term economic consequences have been exaggerated.

https://www.ft.com/content/18eedb62-a5c7-496e-9e8e-c6273f217fdb

https://fullfact.org/news/pmqs-snp-uk-economy-truss/

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/truss-kwarteng-mini-budget-one-year

https://julianhjessop.com/2023/02/04/did-the-liz-truss-really-cost-the-country-i

The Resolution Foundation led the way in stating that there was a £30 billion cost to the UK economy, but has since suggested a reduced impact.

The losers were some mortgage payers, especially those who entered new fixed rate deals at a bad time. However, UK rates rose and later fell in a similar way to those in other countries.

Having said all this I have yet to see any virtue in anything Truss says,


Jessop is a fellow of the IEA who were big supporters and advocates of Truss and her economic policy, which ultimately saw her fall on her sword.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:41 - Aug 28 with 460 viewsPlankton

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 00:25 - Aug 28 by DaPs166

There seems to be a conspiracy going on with every paper and left wing outlet ripping her to shreds, despite the fact that she’s not even an MP anymore.

Wouldn’t believe anything rags say. Time to leave the woman alone FFS


One born every day
Everything is a conspiracy.
Have you thought, just for one minute that this is true?
She has given no reason to believe otherwise.

Pause the Joe Rogan podcast for five minutes and stop being brainwashed.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:43 - Aug 28 with 460 viewsScotia

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:02 - Aug 28 by Wingstandwood

Wasn't at that one in exactly the same way that I was not at any of the alien abduction events that often end up in books, whereupon the author who has written the book always gets experimented upon whilst aboard the mothership, to then be released, to write a book about it afterwards.

Which is? To everyone belonging to the world of the bleeding-bloody-obvious, nearly as far fetched as a person wishing to cause the very extinction of her own political party by blatantly denying vital NHS services to millions of cancer sufferers. Man, woman and child alike!

Call me picky but that may be considered to be a bit of a vote loser bearing in mind also that its best not to do so whilst a politcal party is sinking ever deeper in the quicksand of political oblivion.

"Righty tighty, lefty loosey".


I think you're missing the point aren't you? It's clearly bollocks.

But you criticised someone for believing it.

Which is pretty much the basis of every single one of your posts.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:43 - Aug 28 with 459 viewsDaPs166

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 16:00 - Aug 28 by Scotia

Thank god it wasn't. She triggered a financial disaster without it being implemented.

UK borrowing was hit by huge interest rates in what international economists called the "moron premium" for months after she'd gone.

We're still paying those high interest rates, if not on your individual mortgage then the national debt.


They raise interest rates to try and stem inflation. The surge in inflation was due to the COVID pandemic and its massive government borrowing and subsequently the huge borrowing to fund Ukraine. Inflation doesn’t rise because Liz Truss wanted to cut income tax for the poorest people or because she didn’t want to raise Corporation tax. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:48 - Aug 28 with 444 viewsDaPs166

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:41 - Aug 28 by Plankton

One born every day
Everything is a conspiracy.
Have you thought, just for one minute that this is true?
She has given no reason to believe otherwise.

Pause the Joe Rogan podcast for five minutes and stop being brainwashed.


I don’t think you understand what conspiracy means.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:49 - Aug 28 with 443 viewsScotia

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:43 - Aug 28 by DaPs166

They raise interest rates to try and stem inflation. The surge in inflation was due to the COVID pandemic and its massive government borrowing and subsequently the huge borrowing to fund Ukraine. Inflation doesn’t rise because Liz Truss wanted to cut income tax for the poorest people or because she didn’t want to raise Corporation tax. Correlation doesn’t equal causation.


But then on top of all that she announced a budget of billions of unfunded tax cuts and public spending.

We needed to do the opposite.

We didn't and don't have the money to pay for it. Tax rises are coming and are needed.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:59 - Aug 28 with 428 viewsDaPs166

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:49 - Aug 28 by Scotia

But then on top of all that she announced a budget of billions of unfunded tax cuts and public spending.

We needed to do the opposite.

We didn't and don't have the money to pay for it. Tax rises are coming and are needed.


Yet they weren’t implemented. So saying Liz Truss made interest rates go up is nonsense. Unless you want to believe the Bank of England put up interest rates on budget ideas they know haven’t and wouldn’t be implemented. Also you’ll have to ignore the evidence of massive borrowing for COVID and Ukraine.

Now you’re advocating on tax being raised based on the above. Which will hurt far more people than the fake story about Truss wanting to kill all cancer patients or whatever nonsense they come up with. Talk about licking the boot of the state.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 22:27 - Aug 28 with 375 viewsBoundy

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 19:11 - Aug 28 by controversial_jack

What?


Really , how embarrassing.

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 22:36 - Aug 28 with 368 viewsScotia

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:59 - Aug 28 by DaPs166

Yet they weren’t implemented. So saying Liz Truss made interest rates go up is nonsense. Unless you want to believe the Bank of England put up interest rates on budget ideas they know haven’t and wouldn’t be implemented. Also you’ll have to ignore the evidence of massive borrowing for COVID and Ukraine.

Now you’re advocating on tax being raised based on the above. Which will hurt far more people than the fake story about Truss wanting to kill all cancer patients or whatever nonsense they come up with. Talk about licking the boot of the state.


The announcement was enough. They weren't implemented because they were completely mental.

Taxes have to be raised because the country is skint. We're skint because of a financial crash, covid, wars and stupid vote grabbing NI cuts.

Oh and Brexit.

We're all hurt and we're going to be hurt in the pocket more. But if my old man doesn't have to wait 8 hrs for a taxi if he's having a stroke I'm happy to pay for it.
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Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 22:47 - Aug 28 with 356 viewsmajorraglan

Liz Truss considered scrapping all cancer treatment on 21:59 - Aug 28 by DaPs166

Yet they weren’t implemented. So saying Liz Truss made interest rates go up is nonsense. Unless you want to believe the Bank of England put up interest rates on budget ideas they know haven’t and wouldn’t be implemented. Also you’ll have to ignore the evidence of massive borrowing for COVID and Ukraine.

Now you’re advocating on tax being raised based on the above. Which will hurt far more people than the fake story about Truss wanting to kill all cancer patients or whatever nonsense they come up with. Talk about licking the boot of the state.


Truss’s tax rises weren’t implemented because Hunt came in and set about reversin* them all, but her actions most certainly impacted on interest rates and caused them to rise higher than they would have had it not been for her budget. The pound fell sharply and borrowing costs on government bonds soared. This caused chaos for pension funds as the complicated way they borrowed money worked on the assumption that bond rates would always be steady and relatively low. Most noticeably for the average household, mortgage lenders started to pull their best rates, as Swaps – which set fixed pricing – began to climb. Within a week of Truss’s budget most of the big lenders had pulled their mortgage products and replace them with alternatives which were approximately 1/2% higher.
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