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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
General Election Thread on 23:41 - May 22 by essextaxiboy
Corbyn led Labour to a huge defeat . The majority of votes are left or right of centre.
Corbyn registered the most votes by a Labour leader ever. He lost heavily due to his own MP's actively working against him to lose the election. The detestable Jess Phillips is quoted as saying she would stab him (Corbyn) in the front not the back. This information is available for perusal in the unredacted version of The Forde Report. There is also a 4 part documentary on what happened to the Labour Party during that time. part 1 here.
The grass is always greener.
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General Election Thread on 09:07 - May 23 with 2761 views
Had voted Tory once before but after Brexit never again. Voted Lib Dem twice since then because Corbyn was such a shitshow and I refused to give him my vote (I'm Jewish btw so the anti semitism stuff was... problematic to me!).
Excited to have a dull, competent person running the country. A win for centrist dad's everywhere
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First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 09:12 - May 23 with 2739 views
First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 08:48 - May 23 by Esox_Lucius
Vote for an independent candidate then. Especially someone who supports PR. That's the only way that UK politics can be overhauled.
There isn’t normally an independent candidate in my constituency.Its always a choice between the 4 usual suspects.But hopefully there might be this time.
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General Election Thread on 09:23 - May 23 with 2686 views
Keir Starmer, the man who said 99.9% of women haven't got a penis. The man who tried to change the democratic result of Brexit. The man who called Corbyn his friend. The man who wanted to lock us down "harder, faster and longer" during Covid. The man who "bent the knee". The man who represented utter scum bags. The Tories aren't the answer but sadly neither is this man.
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General Election Thread on 09:47 - May 23 with 2581 views
First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 09:48 - May 23 by colinallcars
I'd rather one that supports Q….PR.
I have in recent years lived in Bracknell and Wokingham
In my lifetime both have never ever not had a massive majority for the conservative party even when there was a labour landslide both had massive conservative majoritys.
I therefore have no vote effectively
I could vote but it has zero effect
Proportional representation will generally always produce a parliament where no one party has an overall majority.
Is that good or bad - it would prevent extremism but in reality most parties these days attempt to produce policies that are for short term approval and hence why the country fails
Cant see why a parilaiment where everyone has a say could be any worse
Also if you live in a constituency where the majority is so vast - it can be frustrating as if you have an alternative view to the party that always get in - you have no voice !!!
But in reality we all have no voice because what is promised and what is realised are always massively different.
No conviction politicians anymore.
And the houses of parliament has around 30 percent of its employees involved in bullying, sexual and financial crimes - so we are always voting in people who truly are generally about their own self promotion.
But fab - got six weeks of news about a load of deviants making promises they cant keep and saying that their dad is bigger than thier opponents dad
The joys of being British !!!!
Sod the lot of them - we know what will be our fate - cant we have the election next week please and get this nonsense out of the way !!!!!!
First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 07:20 - May 23 by Northernr
Yeh just to clarify I'm not in the 'they're all the same/as bad as each other' camp, and I won't be doing that with my ballot paper.
For me it had become they are not that different from each other rathen than all as bad as each other. Until this government, because as long as I've been on this earth there has never been one as bad. They simply have to go and deserve a massive defeat that will take a long time to recover from. They have treated the public like idiots for too long and got away with it.
As for Corbyn, he did pretty well the first time and the second became all about Brexit with Johnson just repeating the catchphrase and romping home. That turned out well.
Starmer is dull, almost a Labour John Major, but seems reasonably competent. Its probably what the country needs after the absolute circus of the last few years.
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First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 10:22 - May 23 with 2450 views
General Election Thread on 09:00 - May 23 by Esox_Lucius
Corbyn registered the most votes by a Labour leader ever. He lost heavily due to his own MP's actively working against him to lose the election. The detestable Jess Phillips is quoted as saying she would stab him (Corbyn) in the front not the back. This information is available for perusal in the unredacted version of The Forde Report. There is also a 4 part documentary on what happened to the Labour Party during that time. part 1 here.
Increasing your vote in places you're already winning, doesn't win elections. You have to win in places where you aren't winning AND hold seats you already have.
The loss was down to campaigning for the 25% of people who consider themselves to be left of centre and allowed the other parties to turn him into a hate figure. If you want to win elections it's no use preaching to the converted - you have to get buy in from the people who aren't interested and that's always been the problem with the harder left of Labour: the ongoing desire to protest and win the argument, rather than work co-operatively and win the elections.
General Election Thread on 10:26 - May 23 by E17hoop
Increasing your vote in places you're already winning, doesn't win elections. You have to win in places where you aren't winning AND hold seats you already have.
The loss was down to campaigning for the 25% of people who consider themselves to be left of centre and allowed the other parties to turn him into a hate figure. If you want to win elections it's no use preaching to the converted - you have to get buy in from the people who aren't interested and that's always been the problem with the harder left of Labour: the ongoing desire to protest and win the argument, rather than work co-operatively and win the elections.
Have you watched the Labour Files or read The Forde Report?
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First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 10:52 - May 23 with 2320 views
First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 09:12 - May 23 by stowmarketrange
There isn’t normally an independent candidate in my constituency.Its always a choice between the 4 usual suspects.But hopefully there might be this time.
Plus if you vote for an independent you know your candidate has no chance of winning. In a first past the post system you need to vote tactically.
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General Election Thread on 10:55 - May 23 with 2304 views
General Election Thread on 10:26 - May 23 by E17hoop
Increasing your vote in places you're already winning, doesn't win elections. You have to win in places where you aren't winning AND hold seats you already have.
The loss was down to campaigning for the 25% of people who consider themselves to be left of centre and allowed the other parties to turn him into a hate figure. If you want to win elections it's no use preaching to the converted - you have to get buy in from the people who aren't interested and that's always been the problem with the harder left of Labour: the ongoing desire to protest and win the argument, rather than work co-operatively and win the elections.
I wonder why we can’t have a proper socialist party that’s capable of winning an election in this country?Did Thatcher’s 11 years turn more of the country into people who are less inclined to vote for anything that might result in a better country for the majority rather than the minority?
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General Election Thread on 11:11 - May 23 with 2251 views
Have you watched the Labour Files or read The Forde Report?
Yes, both.
The strategy was wrong and the team were underprepared. Bob Kerslake, former head of the CS, audited his office to work out what was wrong. In Autumn 2019 he said Corbyn should find a political way of not having a GE for a while because of the underpreparedness.
Corbyn - and Seamus Milne - ignored him and went for it and lost.
Have you read Left Out: The Inside Story of Labour Under Corbyn?
Or Beyond the Red Wall: Why Labour Lost, How the Conservatives Won and What Will Happen Next?
Or The Fall of the Red Wall: 'The Labour Party no longer represents people like us'?
General Election Thread on 10:55 - May 23 by stowmarketrange
I wonder why we can’t have a proper socialist party that’s capable of winning an election in this country?Did Thatcher’s 11 years turn more of the country into people who are less inclined to vote for anything that might result in a better country for the majority rather than the minority?
I think you're right. There has been massive social change in this country since the 70s and the expectations people have are different now. There was a lot more 'knowing your place' and that's moved on. Class boundaries have blurred, the nature or work is different, we are living longer and are - generally - healthier.
General Election Thread on 10:26 - May 23 by E17hoop
Increasing your vote in places you're already winning, doesn't win elections. You have to win in places where you aren't winning AND hold seats you already have.
The loss was down to campaigning for the 25% of people who consider themselves to be left of centre and allowed the other parties to turn him into a hate figure. If you want to win elections it's no use preaching to the converted - you have to get buy in from the people who aren't interested and that's always been the problem with the harder left of Labour: the ongoing desire to protest and win the argument, rather than work co-operatively and win the elections.
Did you even bother looking at the video?
The grass is always greener.
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General Election Thread on 12:00 - May 23 with 2079 views
General Election Thread on 11:18 - May 23 by E17hoop
I think you're right. There has been massive social change in this country since the 70s and the expectations people have are different now. There was a lot more 'knowing your place' and that's moved on. Class boundaries have blurred, the nature or work is different, we are living longer and are - generally - healthier.
The irony is that voting for old Etonians like Johnson is the ultimate know your place behaviour.
I think nobody likes to consider themselves as working class any more so you see "aspirational" voting. However, if you need to work for 40 years and borrow money to buy your house (assuming you can afford one) then like it or not you are working class. That doesn't change because you are not down a coal mine or digging up roads.
The power is still largely held by a small number of people who could never work another day and would be absolutely fine. And they cannot do that without a decent chunk of the working class vote. It's why the majority of the media operates the way it does.
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First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 12:15 - May 23 with 2042 views
First voted in 1985 as a naive 18 year old on 07:42 - May 23 by denhamhoop2
I had a look the fact Labour haven't even nominated a candidate yet in my area gives you a clue how likely anyone winning that isn't wearing a blue rosette is. I hate to say it but I may have to vote Tory first time in my life because having had dealings with Joy Morrissey on behalf of a neighbour who's wife needed to be moved from one care home to a better one for her found her to be excellent and her influence made all the difference. My cousin also found her most pleasant to speak to when talking to her about stopping Marlow film studio project so I guess I am now a Tory voter
Joy Morrissey was also one of 268 Tory MPs who voted in favour of water companies being allowed to carry on dumping raw sewage into rivers and the sea.
You say putting taxes up, but there's a difference between approaching tax from a purely ideological bent, and having to put taxes up!
Yes taxes may have gone down under the Tories, but look at it in the wider context. The military has been massively underfunded and left exposed somewhat; education, which used to be free, is not; public services are dying on the vine and councils around the country are broke despite your counciltaxes going up; the NHS is in such a state, they have to charge you to park in their grounds; the care of elderly people is now on the person/family to find a minimum £4,000 per month; transport systems are decrepit after decades of underfunding; water is undrinkable because again, no investment; and pensions are such, that you're going to have to work longer.
Meanwhile, the tax burden has shifted on to poorer people and it cant be a coincidence that as the Tories tell you they're the party of lower taxation, people are paying for those tax cuts elsewhere and there is an ever widening wealth gap.
I don't deny the problems you list. However, Paul Johnson of the ifs was on the radio earlier saying the next government will have to make cuts. Given the demands on the system, the public sector unions wanting their pound of flesh it's a difficult problem. Labour can't really complain about this either, as they were calling for even more furlough and more lock downs. There is only so much you can tax the rich, as they leave the country. So the burden will fall even more on the working man. So not a lot to look forward to
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General Election Thread on 12:29 - May 23 with 1986 views
General Election Thread on 11:11 - May 23 by E17hoop
Yes, both.
The strategy was wrong and the team were underprepared. Bob Kerslake, former head of the CS, audited his office to work out what was wrong. In Autumn 2019 he said Corbyn should find a political way of not having a GE for a while because of the underpreparedness.
Corbyn - and Seamus Milne - ignored him and went for it and lost.
Have you read Left Out: The Inside Story of Labour Under Corbyn?
Or Beyond the Red Wall: Why Labour Lost, How the Conservatives Won and What Will Happen Next?
Or The Fall of the Red Wall: 'The Labour Party no longer represents people like us'?
Fair enough, and you're certainly better read than I am when it comes to Labour.
I have a different view to yours on Corbyn and Labour. How Corbyn was treated by his party is one of a number of reasons I will not be voting for Labour in this General Election.
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General Election Thread on 12:32 - May 23 with 1973 views
General Election Thread on 09:00 - May 23 by Esox_Lucius
Corbyn registered the most votes by a Labour leader ever. He lost heavily due to his own MP's actively working against him to lose the election. The detestable Jess Phillips is quoted as saying she would stab him (Corbyn) in the front not the back. This information is available for perusal in the unredacted version of The Forde Report. There is also a 4 part documentary on what happened to the Labour Party during that time. part 1 here.
Thanks will watch this. But you don’t think Starmer has done well and the right thing by getting rid of the anti-semitism in the Labour Party? It just seems that way from the outside.
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General Election Thread on 12:46 - May 23 with 2908 views
Fair enough, and you're certainly better read than I am when it comes to Labour.
I have a different view to yours on Corbyn and Labour. How Corbyn was treated by his party is one of a number of reasons I will not be voting for Labour in this General Election.
I respect that completely and I wouldn't tell anyone to vote for any party - it's an individual choice based on that person's lived experience and context. I experienced antisemitism as a member of the Labour Party under Corbyn's watch and resigned from the party. I didn't vote for Labour in 2019 as a result.
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