| Everton docked 10 points on 15:00 - Nov 18 with 3332 views | BklynRanger |
| Everton docked 10 points on 04:42 - Nov 18 by PlanetHonneywood |
I'm just going to put it right out there, damn the consequences in doing so, and suggest neither club will be schlepping to the likes of Hull on a wet Tuesday for their league games in the forthcoming seasons!
Whichever authority is imbued with the power to relegate, won't have the necessary testicles to exercise that power.
I hope I'm wrong of course should either or both be found guilty, but I doubt it. |
I'd say that scenario is the one to put money on yeah. But for now I'm going to allow myself the occasional daydream where a rejuvenated Rangers side, bolstered by 4 or 5 million of an Eze sell-on and with a year of Marti-ball under their belt, hand out a footballing lesson to the oligarchs. |  | |  |
| Everton docked 10 points on 15:35 - Nov 18 with 3282 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Everton docked 10 points on 15:00 - Nov 18 by BklynRanger |
I'd say that scenario is the one to put money on yeah. But for now I'm going to allow myself the occasional daydream where a rejuvenated Rangers side, bolstered by 4 or 5 million of an Eze sell-on and with a year of Marti-ball under their belt, hand out a footballing lesson to the oligarchs. |
If he leaves Palace for £20-£25m they and we will be gutted.
Think of the Beautiful One having £16m to spend and JFH's Chelsea coming to our place afrer we return from giving Gareth Ainsworth's Citeh a four-nil spanking up at the Ryanair Sradium. Think big. Think double figures. Think John Terry getting a spanking as he tries to join our promotion lap of honour. |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 15:37 - Nov 18 with 3286 views | BklynRanger |
| Everton docked 10 points on 15:35 - Nov 18 by PlanetHonneywood |
If he leaves Palace for £20-£25m they and we will be gutted.
Think of the Beautiful One having £16m to spend and JFH's Chelsea coming to our place afrer we return from giving Gareth Ainsworth's Citeh a four-nil spanking up at the Ryanair Sradium. Think big. Think double figures. Think John Terry getting a spanking as he tries to join our promotion lap of honour. |
I mean 4 or 5 mill to spend and the other 15 going on our giant debt problem! | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 17:29 - Nov 18 with 3113 views | BklynRanger |
That's exactly the sort of arrangement I assumed has been happening until this ruling, most of it probably unpublicised. | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 17:44 - Nov 18 with 3078 views | Juzzie |
| Everton docked 10 points on 12:54 - Nov 18 by davman |
They want to treat football like a business as it is all about money.
So, like business, who gives a flying fck about how "big" clubs are? If someone chooses to put millions int a small business to grow a global brand to challenge Apple, what is to stop them doing exactly that?
...and if you are going to treat them like sporting clubs, then EVERY team should have the same wage requirements irrespective of income.
PROTECT the clubs by making the owners COMMIT funds to underwrite contracts wages and plans for the club.
And let them do it.
If a team is lucky enough to get a benefactor (as it looked like we were and even though he was utterly corrupt, what Chel*** had), good luck to them. The other clubs can whine on about it or they can look for other forms of investment to allow them to compete.
These rules will utterly BREAK football. The legal challenge Everton will make will be the most straightforward one now that Leicester, Leeds and Burnley are getting in on the act.
They CANNOT be regulated adequately and when they're broken all sorts of teams can come out of the woodwork.
And let's not forget that if a legal precedent is shown by that challenge, what is to stop Derby coming after us?
An utter mess, be done with it and look to find ways of ensuring that money invested, to whatever amount, is given to the clubs and ringfenced and NOT loaned against future profits.
It really should not be as difficult as they make it... |
That’s the nuts of it…. If owners want to spunk £millions then why can’t they? The only caveat is that any debt is theirs, not the clubs.
But when it started to look like it was going that way, couldn’t be having more upstarts like Blackburn winning the title so FFP was created to ‘protect’ the clubs when in fact all it has done is to throttle them. Having owners incur the debt they create is how you protect clubs, not FFP, but the PL/FL know that so couldn’t be having that. |  | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 17:56 - Nov 18 with 3052 views | SimonD |
Just to clarify here as this point seems to regularly get missed, the EPL and EFL do not make the rules. The club owners make the rules and the EPL and EFL police them. The club owners want FFP. |  | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 18:06 - Nov 18 with 3018 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Everton docked 10 points on 17:56 - Nov 18 by SimonD |
Just to clarify here as this point seems to regularly get missed, the EPL and EFL do not make the rules. The club owners make the rules and the EPL and EFL police them. The club owners want FFP. |
Very true.
Didn't Fernandes vote for it? |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 18:17 - Nov 18 with 2993 views | SimonD |
| Everton docked 10 points on 18:06 - Nov 18 by BrianMcCarthy |
Very true.
Didn't Fernandes vote for it? |
Yes mate; as the story goes, his was the casting vote. Whether that is true or not I don’t know. | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 18:31 - Nov 18 with 2964 views | VancouverHoop |
One of the major take-aways from this is that Everton co-operated with the league's request. In the past Man City have declined to do so. More than anything else this indicates the structural inequality within the EPL itself. Unless rectified it will inevitably destroy it. It's only a case of when. | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 19:37 - Nov 18 with 2869 views | The_Beast1976 |
| Everton docked 10 points on 12:54 - Nov 18 by davman |
They want to treat football like a business as it is all about money.
So, like business, who gives a flying fck about how "big" clubs are? If someone chooses to put millions int a small business to grow a global brand to challenge Apple, what is to stop them doing exactly that?
...and if you are going to treat them like sporting clubs, then EVERY team should have the same wage requirements irrespective of income.
PROTECT the clubs by making the owners COMMIT funds to underwrite contracts wages and plans for the club.
And let them do it.
If a team is lucky enough to get a benefactor (as it looked like we were and even though he was utterly corrupt, what Chel*** had), good luck to them. The other clubs can whine on about it or they can look for other forms of investment to allow them to compete.
These rules will utterly BREAK football. The legal challenge Everton will make will be the most straightforward one now that Leicester, Leeds and Burnley are getting in on the act.
They CANNOT be regulated adequately and when they're broken all sorts of teams can come out of the woodwork.
And let's not forget that if a legal precedent is shown by that challenge, what is to stop Derby coming after us?
An utter mess, be done with it and look to find ways of ensuring that money invested, to whatever amount, is given to the clubs and ringfenced and NOT loaned against future profits.
It really should not be as difficult as they make it... |
Agree with all of this 100%.
It should either be all clubs can spend what they like provided the owner is paying for it themselves, or all clubs have exactly the same amount to spend. That's it. It's that simple. But that upsets the status quo, hence why they are continually trying to find a 'halfway house l' (like the current FFP rules) that keeps the existing 'big guns' at the top | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 14:29 - Nov 19 with 2561 views | themodfather |
3 panorama programmes highlighted chelsea, abramovich and dodgy dealings, russian mafia links, players being blood doped/transfusions etc 3 progs in 10 yrs and the leagues have done nothing. then russia invade ukraine and Roman is the bad guy and then they did something but chelsea still spent hugely ( new owners) there HAS to be a historical back dated sentence , a title stripped or 2.
they and man city have breached uefa rules too yet flaunt silverware and copped weak transfer embargoes .
luton got virtually dumped to the national league for agents fees and admin stuff . justice? nah. we got hammered for spending to try and stay up, fulham spent twice what we did the next year and nothing?
will everton still get their shiny new stadium?? | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 14:43 - Nov 19 with 2541 views | derbyhoop |
| Everton docked 10 points on 19:37 - Nov 18 by The_Beast1976 |
Agree with all of this 100%.
It should either be all clubs can spend what they like provided the owner is paying for it themselves, or all clubs have exactly the same amount to spend. That's it. It's that simple. But that upsets the status quo, hence why they are continually trying to find a 'halfway house l' (like the current FFP rules) that keeps the existing 'big guns' at the top |
FFP was designed to stop clubs being irresponsible, financially. Its all well and good allowing owners to pump in what they like as Abramovich and others have done. The problem is when the owners decide/ cab no longer afford to pump money in.
Then you get a Bury, Oldham, Rushden, Maidstone scenario.
In most businesses you can spend beyond your means and the shareholders bear the costs if it goes tits up. Football is different as the fans (customers?) are invested much more. |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 17:15 - Nov 19 with 2438 views | davman |
| Everton docked 10 points on 14:43 - Nov 19 by derbyhoop |
FFP was designed to stop clubs being irresponsible, financially. Its all well and good allowing owners to pump in what they like as Abramovich and others have done. The problem is when the owners decide/ cab no longer afford to pump money in.
Then you get a Bury, Oldham, Rushden, Maidstone scenario.
In most businesses you can spend beyond your means and the shareholders bear the costs if it goes tits up. Football is different as the fans (customers?) are invested much more. |
Yeah, but that is EXACTLY the point. Find a way of making them pay up front for ALL contracts into a pot held by the club that pays the wage on time every month for the duration of the contract.
Then it is in there.
Isn't that the true meaning of the word "investment"? From the Cambridge English Dictionary: "THE ACT OF PUTTING MONEY, effort, time, etc. INTO SOMETHING to make a profit or get an advantage, or the money, effort, time, etc. used to do this".
Nothing in there about lending an organisation money, it's PUTTING.
...and I understand why the clubs feel that there should be some kind of limit, but the gap between the Prem and the Champ continues to grow ridiculously with the TV deals and yet the P&S cap stays stagnate at £39m.
Of course, if your club is the one with the deep pockets, you'll be most likely to be happy with the rules and I can see why the well run clubs like Luton, Brentford and Brighton will be against all this. Maybe it all feels so unfair because, as always, we find the worlds only inept Billionaires who can't find the right people to run their busines for them.
Not allowed nice things, you see... |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 17:44 - Nov 19 with 2392 views | LazyFan |
If Scum or Citeh get relegated (yeah, I know), do they get auto-dumped into non-League.
You see, say Pompy, Oxford, and Bolton come up to the Champ. Why should they be blocked promo to cheating clubs (especially as those three clubs have had financial challenges in the past)? If they are not blocked, why should the Champ increase the club size but not the promo to the EPL?
Sure, some may say, well, they will want the money attendance, but plenty of clubs won't as they will feel they may get promoted, which is worth way more than a home fixture. £200m vs £2m tops.
Does this mean being relegated from the Prem, means starting way down the pyramid, as in expulsion from the English football league system?
Would be good to know so, we can taunt them while it's all up in the air :P |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 23:51 - Nov 19 with 2120 views | SydneyRs |
Chelsea. 20 years of cheating financially buying their way from mediocrity to the top, all the while being praised by the media etc. Single handedly disrupted the transfer market forever. Two CLs and a bunch of other stuff bought with what everyone knows was dirty money. The special one, park the bus etc, fcuk off.
Man City much the same for maybe five years less.
Everton who have largely struggled are the ones they finally decide to go after. Absolute joke. [Post edited 19 Nov 2023 23:52]
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| Everton docked 10 points on 00:06 - Nov 20 with 2109 views | daveB |
| Everton docked 10 points on 23:51 - Nov 19 by SydneyRs |
Chelsea. 20 years of cheating financially buying their way from mediocrity to the top, all the while being praised by the media etc. Single handedly disrupted the transfer market forever. Two CLs and a bunch of other stuff bought with what everyone knows was dirty money. The special one, park the bus etc, fcuk off.
Man City much the same for maybe five years less.
Everton who have largely struggled are the ones they finally decide to go after. Absolute joke. [Post edited 19 Nov 2023 23:52]
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Everton did admit their guilt in this so was a much easier case to conclude and still took 2 years |  | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 00:41 - Nov 20 with 2092 views | PunteR |
| Everton docked 10 points on 18:17 - Nov 18 by SimonD |
Yes mate; as the story goes, his was the casting vote. Whether that is true or not I don’t know. |
Amazing if true considering he has nothing to do with football now. |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 01:17 - Nov 20 with 2067 views | numptydumpty |
Well how can City and Chelsea not be in deep doo doo now.
Both much worse failings than Everton.
Can we bet on a win double Chelsea and City being relegated
I work with an Everton fan. I meet a Chelsea fan in cafe en route to work... Lmao
Odds ??? [Post edited 20 Nov 2023 1:19]
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| Everton docked 10 points on 04:34 - Nov 20 with 2009 views | Hoopsie |
Financial penalties and docking of points are nothing to the big clubs
They are wealthy and what are 3 wins and a draw?
Punishment should be in the form of relegation and stripping of titles won during the offending period, if not it is just a slap on the wrist |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 16:55 - Nov 20 with 1774 views | blacky2013 |
| Everton docked 10 points on 04:34 - Nov 20 by Hoopsie |
Financial penalties and docking of points are nothing to the big clubs
They are wealthy and what are 3 wins and a draw?
Punishment should be in the form of relegation and stripping of titles won during the offending period, if not it is just a slap on the wrist |
Agree with this but it won't happen as the Premier league will lose all the big clubs. Should do what Formula One did and introduce a spending cap for all teams regardless of how much money they have got. In F1 there were teams spending 300 million now they are limited to 135 million. F1 managed it so football can too. | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 17:16 - Nov 20 with 1707 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
If that lot down the road or Man City are relegated out of the PL, which is a possibility, is the EFL under any obligation to accept them into the Championship?
Is it more likely they are moved to L2? | | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 21:22 - Nov 20 with 1524 views | flynnbo |
To be heard in Parliament on an EDM. |  | | |
| Everton docked 10 points on 09:41 - Nov 21 with 1393 views | HAYESBOY |
| Everton docked 10 points on 13:41 - Nov 18 by Northernr |
QPR's own Nick De Marco seems to be lawyering for a group of clubs asking exactly that question...
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67477576
He is a busy man. |  |
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| Everton docked 10 points on 12:07 - Nov 21 with 3072 views | loftboy |
| Everton docked 10 points on 01:17 - Nov 20 by numptydumpty |
Well how can City and Chelsea not be in deep doo doo now.
Both much worse failings than Everton.
Can we bet on a win double Chelsea and City being relegated
I work with an Everton fan. I meet a Chelsea fan in cafe en route to work... Lmao
Odds ??? [Post edited 20 Nov 2023 1:19]
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Can we leave it a season as I have city in my end of season Acca 😇 |  |
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