| Angus Gunn 22:57 - Mar 27 with 2788 views | SaintNick |
Has switched his allegiances to Scotland and won his first cap tonight against Cyprus in a 3-0 victory |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 23:10 - Mar 27 with 2757 views | PatfromPoole |
Eh?
Wasn’t that on Saturday afternoon? |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 00:07 - Mar 28 with 2719 views | Chesham_Saint |
Just what is the point of international sport if you can switch your allegiance on a whim? |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 07:57 - Mar 28 with 2637 views | kernow |
| Angus Gunn on 00:07 - Mar 28 by Chesham_Saint |
Just what is the point of international sport if you can switch your allegiance on a whim? |
His Dad is a Scot, so not a whim. |  | | |
| Angus Gunn on 08:24 - Mar 28 with 2620 views | SaintNick |
| Angus Gunn on 23:10 - Mar 27 by PatfromPoole |
Eh?
Wasn’t that on Saturday afternoon? |
You could be right I don't pay any attention to International football these days, it's even more corrupt than club football | |
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| Angus Gunn on 08:29 - Mar 28 with 2613 views | PatfromPoole |
| Angus Gunn on 08:24 - Mar 28 by SaintNick |
You could be right I don't pay any attention to International football these days, it's even more corrupt than club football |
I’m not quite sure how one could say that with a straight face….. | |
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| Angus Gunn on 08:32 - Mar 28 with 2611 views | SaintNick |
| Angus Gunn on 08:29 - Mar 28 by PatfromPoole |
I’m not quite sure how one could say that with a straight face….. |
International football should be the last bastion of football as it should be, the best players selected to represent their countries, but it isn't and don't get me started on the corruption surrounding last years World Cup | |
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| Angus Gunn on 09:58 - Mar 28 with 2570 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Angus Gunn on 00:07 - Mar 28 by Chesham_Saint |
Just what is the point of international sport if you can switch your allegiance on a whim? |
You can only swap before you play a competitive game for a country at senior level.
At least football is better than rugby where most of the home nations teams seem to be filled with players from NZ and the Pacific Islands. |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 10:27 - Mar 28 with 2556 views | saintwizzler |
He’s no Tommy FourPast or Cody Crapper f’sure. |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 10:39 - Mar 28 with 2548 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Angus Gunn on 07:57 - Mar 28 by kernow |
His Dad is a Scot, so not a whim. |
I don’t care if his father is the elder of the Clan McGunn. You either feel Scottish or you don’t, so he had no business pulling on an England shirt in the first place.
This isn’t an “England thing” either. The same would be true in reverse. Pulling on your national shirt should be the ultimate feeling for any athlete - not a badge of convenience. | |
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| Angus Gunn on 12:10 - Mar 28 with 2500 views | SaintNick |
| Angus Gunn on 10:39 - Mar 28 by Chesham_Saint |
I don’t care if his father is the elder of the Clan McGunn. You either feel Scottish or you don’t, so he had no business pulling on an England shirt in the first place.
This isn’t an “England thing” either. The same would be true in reverse. Pulling on your national shirt should be the ultimate feeling for any athlete - not a badge of convenience. |
Declan Rice is a case in kind, played for the Republic Of Ireland youth sides and clearly that was were his allegiance was, then after 3 (non competitive) appearances turned down call ups for ROI whilst he considered his position, after 5 months he opted for England as obviously that was were all the glory was compared to ROI.
This is a perfect example of the abuse the system allows, the ability to abandon your country if a better offer comes along, the fact that he is said to be best friends with Mason Mount tells you a lot about it, Mount is the World's biggest Pompey fan except when it came to deciding where his football future lay and joined Chelsea rather than Pompey | |
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| Angus Gunn on 12:20 - Mar 28 with 2493 views | dirk_doone |
Most professional sports are mercenary: football, rugby, cricket, athletics, baseball, basketball, etc etc. Players move around from one team to another and frequently represent nations other than the ones they were born in. It's been like that for years. Armies are the same, for example, Nepalese soldiers have been fighting for the British army for years, and if you go back in history, soldiers have frequently switched their allegiances. That's life.
Anyway, more importantly, at 27, Angus Gunn is beginning to reach his peak. He is probably a lot better now than he was when he was as a youngster here. I guess we'll be saying the same about Bazunu in 6 years' time, whoever he is playing for then. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 12:27]
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| Angus Gunn on 14:45 - Mar 28 with 2405 views | Springhill_old_boy |
| Angus Gunn on 12:10 - Mar 28 by SaintNick |
Declan Rice is a case in kind, played for the Republic Of Ireland youth sides and clearly that was were his allegiance was, then after 3 (non competitive) appearances turned down call ups for ROI whilst he considered his position, after 5 months he opted for England as obviously that was were all the glory was compared to ROI.
This is a perfect example of the abuse the system allows, the ability to abandon your country if a better offer comes along, the fact that he is said to be best friends with Mason Mount tells you a lot about it, Mount is the World's biggest Pompey fan except when it came to deciding where his football future lay and joined Chelsea rather than Pompey |
Ditto Jack feckin Grealish | | | |
| Angus Gunn on 17:21 - Mar 28 with 2369 views | kernow |
| Angus Gunn on 10:39 - Mar 28 by Chesham_Saint |
I don’t care if his father is the elder of the Clan McGunn. You either feel Scottish or you don’t, so he had no business pulling on an England shirt in the first place.
This isn’t an “England thing” either. The same would be true in reverse. Pulling on your national shirt should be the ultimate feeling for any athlete - not a badge of convenience. |
I don't know how or what he feels, do you?
Maybe he feels a sense of entitlement. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 17:22]
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| Angus Gunn on 18:15 - Mar 28 with 2343 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Angus Gunn on 17:21 - Mar 28 by kernow |
I don't know how or what he feels, do you?
Maybe he feels a sense of entitlement. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 17:22]
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Let’s put it this way.. imagine you’re pulling on the red shirt for Wales against NZ in the rugby. You’ve got to be prepared to shed blood for your mates and the country you love. | |
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| Angus Gunn on 19:10 - Mar 28 with 2322 views | dirk_doone |
| Angus Gunn on 18:15 - Mar 28 by Chesham_Saint |
Let’s put it this way.. imagine you’re pulling on the red shirt for Wales against NZ in the rugby. You’ve got to be prepared to shed blood for your mates and the country you love. |
Especially if you're Taulupe Faletau from Tonga or Christ Tshiunza from the Congo. | |
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| Angus Gunn on 20:34 - Mar 28 with 2291 views | dirk_doone |
| Angus Gunn on 12:10 - Mar 28 by SaintNick |
Declan Rice is a case in kind, played for the Republic Of Ireland youth sides and clearly that was were his allegiance was, then after 3 (non competitive) appearances turned down call ups for ROI whilst he considered his position, after 5 months he opted for England as obviously that was were all the glory was compared to ROI.
This is a perfect example of the abuse the system allows, the ability to abandon your country if a better offer comes along, the fact that he is said to be best friends with Mason Mount tells you a lot about it, Mount is the World's biggest Pompey fan except when it came to deciding where his football future lay and joined Chelsea rather than Pompey |
Declan Rice was born and brought up in Kingston upon Thames and both his parents were born in England as well so he hardly abandoned his country by choosing England. [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 20:47]
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| Angus Gunn on 21:44 - Mar 28 with 2226 views | MytchettSaint |
| Angus Gunn on 19:10 - Mar 28 by dirk_doone |
Especially if you're Taulupe Faletau from Tonga or Christ Tshiunza from the Congo. |
Or even Dylan Hartley from New Zealand who captained England |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 08:24 - Mar 29 with 2069 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Angus Gunn on 19:10 - Mar 28 by dirk_doone |
Especially if you're Taulupe Faletau from Tonga or Christ Tshiunza from the Congo. |
So? Rupert Moon was born in England but was passionate about Wales. You don’t have to be born somewhere to love the place. It’s those who flip flop between countries to enhance their chances of being an international that debase the whole concept of international sport. | |
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| Angus Gunn on 12:38 - Mar 29 with 2005 views | TimSaint |
| Angus Gunn on 08:24 - Mar 29 by Chesham_Saint |
So? Rupert Moon was born in England but was passionate about Wales. You don’t have to be born somewhere to love the place. It’s those who flip flop between countries to enhance their chances of being an international that debase the whole concept of international sport. |
How about our own Che McAdams ?
Born in Leicester and able to represent England and Antigua through parentage. Opted for England and played a couple of U20 games.
No chance of making the England senior squad, so opted for Scotland, courtesy of a Scottish Grandmother !! |  |
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| Angus Gunn on 12:52 - Mar 29 with 1993 views | kernow |
If the rules allow it to happen what's the problem?
Personally, I don't have one.
Anyone who doesn't like it can lobby and petition for the rules to be changed, or alternatively, have a good old rant on a football message board. | | | |
| Angus Gunn on 14:31 - Mar 29 with 1963 views | TimSaint |
| Angus Gunn on 12:52 - Mar 29 by kernow |
If the rules allow it to happen what's the problem?
Personally, I don't have one.
Anyone who doesn't like it can lobby and petition for the rules to be changed, or alternatively, have a good old rant on a football message board. |
Under Jack Charlton, you only needed to like Guinness or have an Irish Setter to be eligible to play for the Republic of Ireland !! :-)
......just ask Cascarino or our old mate Andy Townsend !! | |
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| Angus Gunn on 18:58 - Mar 29 with 1920 views | dirk_doone |
| Angus Gunn on 12:38 - Mar 29 by TimSaint |
How about our own Che McAdams ?
Born in Leicester and able to represent England and Antigua through parentage. Opted for England and played a couple of U20 games.
No chance of making the England senior squad, so opted for Scotland, courtesy of a Scottish Grandmother !! |
Scotland may be regretting that decision. They discovered last night that they are a lot better off without him.
There should be some minimum qualification rule that the player has to have visited the country before he's selected to play for it. I'm not sure that either Che Adams or Italy's latest striker, Retegui, had. The Qatari national athletics team is bought wholesale from East Africa but they at least get to spend some time in Qatar before representing it in the Olympics. [Post edited 29 Mar 2023 19:06]
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| Angus Gunn on 21:46 - Mar 29 with 1869 views | cotswoldsaint |
There's a simple answer to all this:
Q: How do you tell a Scotsman's clan?
A: Look under his kilt, if he's got a quarter-pounder, he's a MacDonald ! | | | |
| Angus Gunn on 12:07 - Mar 30 with 1766 views | SaintNick |
| Angus Gunn on 12:52 - Mar 29 by kernow |
If the rules allow it to happen what's the problem?
Personally, I don't have one.
Anyone who doesn't like it can lobby and petition for the rules to be changed, or alternatively, have a good old rant on a football message board. |
Im not sure anyone can lobby or petition for it to be changed, but in my book International football should be the last bastion of football, it not about a club being able to buy their way to the top, it is about country V country pitting the best that a nation can offer.
That means that everyone should be eligible for the country, not just players, but the manager as well, it demeans it for me if a team with a number of players with a grandparent from that country are coached by a top manager who has been paid big bucks to manage a country he has absolutely no allegiance to | |
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