| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along 11:41 - Mar 1 with 10063 views | mangohilljack |
And any opposing argument or suggestions that went against the narrative were censored.
Some have been demonised and cancelled for speaking a truth, when the majority were taken in hook line and sinker.
MSM not able to hold the truth in any longer. I'm sure there is much more to come hence the leaders of the time resigning in their droves.
Surely an investigation to get to the bottom of it is a must now and we can put it all to bed once and for all.
read it for yourself here
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/10-myths-told-by-covid- |  | | |  |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:07 - Mar 9 with 1379 views | mangohilljack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 22:49 - Mar 6 by Boundy |
Pity he didn't watch my previously healthy dear mum in law die from it or have to watch my wife suffer the grief & guilt which followed ,nor be one of the 8 of us who were graciously allowed to attend her funeral service .Mangojack wants to head back to the mango swamp from whence he came from |
Why ? for questioning the lies we've been fed? Are we not allowed to ask questions these days? especially when things make absolutely little sense to those with half a brain.
maybe it's you that needs to crawl back under your rock | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:57 - Mar 9 with 1328 views | SullutaCreturned |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 07:47 - Mar 7 by controversial_jack |
No it wasn't. It was in the Hubei province, for about a month before they told the Chinese govt, who then told the world. Once again you are wrong |
That is truly hysterical, the Hubei province is in China so yes, it was rampant in China before they told the rest of the world.
Yet again you seek to defend the indefensible on here. Now you are suggesting that in a totalitarian state the ruling government didn't know what was going on in one of it's provinces, for a month? What about Shanghai?
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hubei-timeline | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:36 - Mar 9 with 1310 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:04 - Mar 9 by mangohilljack |
Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of forgotten people who have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of 'saving grandma' I know quite a few people who are suffering as a result and it's not hard to find many many more.
the evidence is everywhere, lie after lie after lie and you still can't see the wood for the tree's.
please tell me why, if this deadly virus was so deadly and the experts (paid by big Pharma) told us this along with the leaders of the country, were having parties in the garden whilst we were told we cannot visit dying relatives.
If the vaccines ended the virus why are there so many healthy unvaccinated people living life as normal, why isn't covid killing the unvaccinated, it's not rocket science. |
The vaccines are safe and effective at stopping serious illness, that's what the evidence shows its clear and obvious.
Anything that demonstrates anything else is misunderstood, misrepresented or fabricated. You only need to scratch the surface of it and it's clear.
It's not just the evidence it's my personal experience too. I have close friends who are Dr's and Paramedics, my neighbour is a cardiologist in Morriston and his wife is a cardiac nurse. His family are fully vaccinated and he remarked how he wished his family in Romania had access to the same system of vaccination that the NHS provides. In fact he was looking in to bringing his mum over so she could get vaccinated
The vaccines haven't and won't end the virus, nothing will. Its ended the pandemic and the virus is endemic.
Our leaders were partying Because Boris is a a lying buffoon. A responsible leader wouldn't and neither would medical professionals exposed to the reality of the situation.
You mention evidence but have had 8 days and 4 pages of this thread to answer a question I asked on page 1 about natural immunity, but you still haven't managed to do so. Where is your evidence for this?
Its not questioning the situation that is the problem it's being open minded to the evidence based answers. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:20 - Mar 10 with 1288 views | controversial_jack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:36 - Mar 9 by Scotia |
The vaccines are safe and effective at stopping serious illness, that's what the evidence shows its clear and obvious.
Anything that demonstrates anything else is misunderstood, misrepresented or fabricated. You only need to scratch the surface of it and it's clear.
It's not just the evidence it's my personal experience too. I have close friends who are Dr's and Paramedics, my neighbour is a cardiologist in Morriston and his wife is a cardiac nurse. His family are fully vaccinated and he remarked how he wished his family in Romania had access to the same system of vaccination that the NHS provides. In fact he was looking in to bringing his mum over so she could get vaccinated
The vaccines haven't and won't end the virus, nothing will. Its ended the pandemic and the virus is endemic.
Our leaders were partying Because Boris is a a lying buffoon. A responsible leader wouldn't and neither would medical professionals exposed to the reality of the situation.
You mention evidence but have had 8 days and 4 pages of this thread to answer a question I asked on page 1 about natural immunity, but you still haven't managed to do so. Where is your evidence for this?
Its not questioning the situation that is the problem it's being open minded to the evidence based answers. |
I'm not sure it's been that effective. By the time the vaccines were introduced the second wave had passed and we had a weakened omicron, so I think the vaccine has taken the credit for what has naturally happened . Vaccines certainly don't prevent transmissions, this is why I don't believe the claims that vaccines have eliminated previous infectious diseases, that's been down to improved living conditions etc. The vaccine itself, only gives protection for a few months at the very most.
I'm not anti vax, as i had 3 myself. They are safe, but effective, i' not so sure | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:34 - Mar 10 with 1285 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:20 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
I'm not sure it's been that effective. By the time the vaccines were introduced the second wave had passed and we had a weakened omicron, so I think the vaccine has taken the credit for what has naturally happened . Vaccines certainly don't prevent transmissions, this is why I don't believe the claims that vaccines have eliminated previous infectious diseases, that's been down to improved living conditions etc. The vaccine itself, only gives protection for a few months at the very most.
I'm not anti vax, as i had 3 myself. They are safe, but effective, i' not so sure |
No it hadn't.
Vaccines were introduced in December 2020. Omicron didn't emerge for a year after that, we had the Delta wave before Omicron which was even more transmissible and resistant than previous variants and equally severe but we were already pretty much living a life without restriction.
It's down to the vaccine nothing else.
Hopefully Omicron continues to be milder, there is no guarantee, but that is likely to be down to immunity from infection, vaccine or both as much as a weakend strain. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:53 - Mar 10 with 1258 views | controversial_jack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:34 - Mar 10 by Scotia |
No it hadn't.
Vaccines were introduced in December 2020. Omicron didn't emerge for a year after that, we had the Delta wave before Omicron which was even more transmissible and resistant than previous variants and equally severe but we were already pretty much living a life without restriction.
It's down to the vaccine nothing else.
Hopefully Omicron continues to be milder, there is no guarantee, but that is likely to be down to immunity from infection, vaccine or both as much as a weakend strain. |
There is no long term immunity from vaccine or infection. A few months with the jab and a bit longer with infection immunity. The herd immunity theory has been totaly blown | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:16 - Mar 10 with 1250 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 12:53 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
There is no long term immunity from vaccine or infection. A few months with the jab and a bit longer with infection immunity. The herd immunity theory has been totaly blown |
There is decent medium term immunity from severe disease.
Boosters for those that need it are the only option as has always been proposed.
I agree regarding herd immunity to a certain extent, this is one reason why the "great barrington declaration" wouldn't have worked and lockdown was needed. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 07:57 - Mar 11 with 1213 views | mangohilljack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 19:36 - Mar 9 by Scotia |
The vaccines are safe and effective at stopping serious illness, that's what the evidence shows its clear and obvious.
Anything that demonstrates anything else is misunderstood, misrepresented or fabricated. You only need to scratch the surface of it and it's clear.
It's not just the evidence it's my personal experience too. I have close friends who are Dr's and Paramedics, my neighbour is a cardiologist in Morriston and his wife is a cardiac nurse. His family are fully vaccinated and he remarked how he wished his family in Romania had access to the same system of vaccination that the NHS provides. In fact he was looking in to bringing his mum over so she could get vaccinated
The vaccines haven't and won't end the virus, nothing will. Its ended the pandemic and the virus is endemic.
Our leaders were partying Because Boris is a a lying buffoon. A responsible leader wouldn't and neither would medical professionals exposed to the reality of the situation.
You mention evidence but have had 8 days and 4 pages of this thread to answer a question I asked on page 1 about natural immunity, but you still haven't managed to do so. Where is your evidence for this?
Its not questioning the situation that is the problem it's being open minded to the evidence based answers. |
I provided the evidence, you clearly chose to ignore it.
Not a thought for the thousands of injured forgotten people | | | |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:18 - Mar 11 with 1202 views | controversial_jack |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:57 - Mar 9 by SullutaCreturned |
That is truly hysterical, the Hubei province is in China so yes, it was rampant in China before they told the rest of the world.
Yet again you seek to defend the indefensible on here. Now you are suggesting that in a totalitarian state the ruling government didn't know what was going on in one of it's provinces, for a month? What about Shanghai?
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hubei-timeline |
China operates on provinces. These are like Us stats, run independently, but ultimately responsible to the federal govt. The Hubei has a population of 58 million, which is the same as the UK.
Yes, Shanghai was aware of some kind of virus, but the Hubei govt didn't inform the main govt that it was a matter for concern. When they did the Chinese govt informed the WHO
It was not rampant in the rest of China, because Hubei ordered a very strict lockdown | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:30 - Mar 11 with 1170 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 07:57 - Mar 11 by mangohilljack |
I provided the evidence, you clearly chose to ignore it.
Not a thought for the thousands of injured forgotten people |
No you haven't.
Let me remind you of the question in the second post on page 1 of this thread.
"Whoever claimed that? And I mean actually claimed that to be a fact."
You've had 11 days now. As I said this is easy to prove if it had ever been claimed. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 15:32 - Mar 11 with 1158 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:30 - Mar 11 by Scotia |
No you haven't.
Let me remind you of the question in the second post on page 1 of this thread.
"Whoever claimed that? And I mean actually claimed that to be a fact."
You've had 11 days now. As I said this is easy to prove if it had ever been claimed. |
The claim originated from the CDC, outlined in this and many other articles.
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-why-covid-vaccines-work-better-than-natura | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:45 - Mar 11 with 1149 views | Scotia |
Completely different.
As that article states.
"According to the data, the vaccines bump up any natural protection people may have had from prior infection substantially."
The original claim was that infection acquired immunity was nowhere near as got as vaccine induced immunity. That's obviously nonsense.
Edit. This was the quote from mango hill's link
Misinformation #1: Natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity
It is also stated that it refers to the original strain of covid. The article you linked refers to new variants.
All you have to do is actually read these articles yo see that they are a pile of guff. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 16:56]
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:49 - Mar 11 with 1130 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 16:45 - Mar 11 by Scotia |
Completely different.
As that article states.
"According to the data, the vaccines bump up any natural protection people may have had from prior infection substantially."
The original claim was that infection acquired immunity was nowhere near as got as vaccine induced immunity. That's obviously nonsense.
Edit. This was the quote from mango hill's link
Misinformation #1: Natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity
It is also stated that it refers to the original strain of covid. The article you linked refers to new variants.
All you have to do is actually read these articles yo see that they are a pile of guff. [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 16:56]
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"It is also stated that it refers to the original strain of covid. The article you linked refers to new variants. "
No it didn't say that.
The original article was in the New York Post here.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/27/10-myths-told-by-covid-experts-now-debunked/
Neither article says that. Quote "A Lancet study looked at 65 major studies in 19 countries on natural immunity. The researchers concluded that natural immunity was at least as effective as the primary COVID vaccine series.
In fact, the scientific data was there all along – from 160 studies, despite the findings of these studies violating Facebook’s “misinformation” policy.
Since the Athenian plague of 430 BC, it has been observed that those who recovered after infection were protected against severe disease if reinfected.
That was also the observation of nearly every practicing physician during the first 18 months of the COVID pandemic.
Most Americans who were fired for not having the COVID vaccine already had antibodies that effectively neutralized the virus, but they were antibodies that the government did not recognize." [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 23:54]
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 07:14 - Mar 12 with 1114 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 23:49 - Mar 11 by A_Fans_Dad |
"It is also stated that it refers to the original strain of covid. The article you linked refers to new variants. "
No it didn't say that.
The original article was in the New York Post here.
https://nypost.com/2023/02/27/10-myths-told-by-covid-experts-now-debunked/
Neither article says that. Quote "A Lancet study looked at 65 major studies in 19 countries on natural immunity. The researchers concluded that natural immunity was at least as effective as the primary COVID vaccine series.
In fact, the scientific data was there all along – from 160 studies, despite the findings of these studies violating Facebook’s “misinformation” policy.
Since the Athenian plague of 430 BC, it has been observed that those who recovered after infection were protected against severe disease if reinfected.
That was also the observation of nearly every practicing physician during the first 18 months of the COVID pandemic.
Most Americans who were fired for not having the COVID vaccine already had antibodies that effectively neutralized the virus, but they were antibodies that the government did not recognize." [Post edited 11 Mar 2023 23:54]
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It does. It states :-
Protection from reinfection was highest for the ancestral (original) strain of COVID-19
And goes on to say that protection is less against newer variants.
Anyway, this is besides the point. It's another day that mango Hill hasn't answered the original question.
You can try to if you want. What respected public authority has ever claimed that there is little natural immunity from covid infection? | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:52 - Mar 12 with 1092 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 07:14 - Mar 12 by Scotia |
It does. It states :-
Protection from reinfection was highest for the ancestral (original) strain of COVID-19
And goes on to say that protection is less against newer variants.
Anyway, this is besides the point. It's another day that mango Hill hasn't answered the original question.
You can try to if you want. What respected public authority has ever claimed that there is little natural immunity from covid infection? |
There you go changing the wording to suit your point.
They did not say "that there is little natural immunity from covid infection"
They said "Natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity"
Which is precisely what the CDC's Fauci said in what I posted.
Please point out where it says in that article he posted "Protection from reinfection was highest for the ancestral (original) strain of COVID-19"
Because it is not there. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:09 - Mar 12 with 1082 views | Gwyn737 |
Can someone explain to me what vaccine injuries are?
If it means having a sore arm after having a needle jabbed in it then I’ve had a vaccine injury from any inoculation or dentistry I’ve had. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:31 - Mar 12 with 1071 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:09 - Mar 12 by Gwyn737 |
Can someone explain to me what vaccine injuries are?
If it means having a sore arm after having a needle jabbed in it then I’ve had a vaccine injury from any inoculation or dentistry I’ve had. |
Do you actually mean you don't know?
Could it be someone doesn't want you to know?
Because if you google it, it is very doubtful you will find it.
But as you have asked I will pm you some links as Keith does not allow anything bad about Vaccines on here. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:34 - Mar 12 with 1069 views | Gwyn737 |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:31 - Mar 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
Do you actually mean you don't know?
Could it be someone doesn't want you to know?
Because if you google it, it is very doubtful you will find it.
But as you have asked I will pm you some links as Keith does not allow anything bad about Vaccines on here. |
All I need to know is if they’re different to side effects. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:42 - Mar 12 with 1067 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:34 - Mar 12 by Gwyn737 |
All I need to know is if they’re different to side effects. |
Not really, the correct term is Adverse Events. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 18:34 - Mar 12 with 1059 views | max936 |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 17:42 - Mar 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
Not really, the correct term is Adverse Events. |
Also known as "side affects"  |  |
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 21:20 - Mar 12 with 1034 views | Scotia |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 13:52 - Mar 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
There you go changing the wording to suit your point.
They did not say "that there is little natural immunity from covid infection"
They said "Natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity"
Which is precisely what the CDC's Fauci said in what I posted.
Please point out where it says in that article he posted "Protection from reinfection was highest for the ancestral (original) strain of COVID-19"
Because it is not there. |
I'm not changing anything. The quote is from here which is linked in the original nypost article that you linked.
https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2023/02/20/covid-infection-
That's not what mango Hill claimed in his first post.
And to quote your "business insider" link, the study that Fauci refers to actually demonstrates "According to the data, the vaccines bump up any natural protection people may have had from prior infection substantially."
The first paragraph actually states that it refers to vaccinated people who have had a prior infection and their immunity to new variants. It does not refer to a straight battle between vaccination and infection derived immunity anywhere which is what the original question was.
Seriously, why do you keep doing this? [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 21:33]
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| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:12 - Mar 13 with 981 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 21:20 - Mar 12 by Scotia |
I'm not changing anything. The quote is from here which is linked in the original nypost article that you linked.
https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2023/02/20/covid-infection-
That's not what mango Hill claimed in his first post.
And to quote your "business insider" link, the study that Fauci refers to actually demonstrates "According to the data, the vaccines bump up any natural protection people may have had from prior infection substantially."
The first paragraph actually states that it refers to vaccinated people who have had a prior infection and their immunity to new variants. It does not refer to a straight battle between vaccination and infection derived immunity anywhere which is what the original question was.
Seriously, why do you keep doing this? [Post edited 12 Mar 2023 21:33]
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Why do I keep doing this?
Because you keep misquoting reports to suit your view.
You even quote from something that neither of us actually linked to.
The actual opening quote is
"A new study found that a previous COVID-19 infection offers at least the same level of protection as two doses of high-quality mRNA vaccines, such as Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech.
Additionally, people who are infected with the virus may be protected from reinfection for 40 weeks or longer, the study found."
So a direct comparison between vaccine and natural immunity.
Also 40 Weeks is of course longer than vaccine immunity lasts.
We also have this misquote which is a partial quote
"Protection from reinfection was highest for the ancestral (original) strain of COVID-19
And goes on to say that protection is less against newer variants. "
The actual quote is.
"Protection from reinfection was highest for the ancestral (original) strain of COVID-19 and the alpha, beta and delta variants, remaining at more than 78% after 40 weeks.
Protection was lower for the omicron BA.1 variant, which dropped to 36.1% in that same time frame.
When it comes to severe disease (hospitalization or death), protection was high across all variants, averaging 78% or higher for ancestral, alpha, beta, delta and omicron BA.1 at 40 weeks after infection.
The level of protection declined over time for all variants, but it dipped fastest for the omicron BA.1 variant."
If you are going to quote use the whole of the quote not just the part you want to show your point of view. | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 14:37 - Mar 18 with 890 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Posted by someone who has done zero research on the contracts worth Millions of dollars between the US government, DARPA, NIH, EcoHealth and the Chinese Wuhan lab for Gain of Function research.
Or on the study trials conducted by the Wuhan scientists for said Gain of Function published in clinical journals.
If the Raccoon dogs had it in 2020 they most likely caught it from Humans, just like cats and dogs did. One of the earliest cases was an English man in Wuhan who's cat also caught it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8075633/First-British-victim-25-describ | | | |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 15:18 - Mar 18 with 877 views | SullutaCreturned |
| So it's now evident that public health officials lied to us all along on 10:18 - Mar 11 by controversial_jack |
China operates on provinces. These are like Us stats, run independently, but ultimately responsible to the federal govt. The Hubei has a population of 58 million, which is the same as the UK.
Yes, Shanghai was aware of some kind of virus, but the Hubei govt didn't inform the main govt that it was a matter for concern. When they did the Chinese govt informed the WHO
It was not rampant in the rest of China, because Hubei ordered a very strict lockdown |
Ah, so as you are admitting, the virus was rampant in Hubei which is in China SO the virus was rampant in China.
The Hubei government didn't inform central government, you know this how? Or put another way, that's utter nonsense. The Chinese don't ooerate like that, they know everything that's going on, it's how totalitarian governments operate, strict control.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/wuhan-china-covid-intl/index.html
You go ahead and maintain the Central government didnt know about things that were being discussed on social media which the central government censured people for. I think most people don't take your nonsense seriously anymore anyway. | | | |
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