| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread 10:32 - Oct 21 with 19218 views | HullDale |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 20:27 - Oct 22 with 3571 views | 49thseason |
Its not the fact of timewasting, as others have said every team does it ....if they are allowed to...today was choreographed timewasting that was initially permitted and then encouraged by the inaction of an exceptionally weak referee. Unfortunately we do not have senior players prepared to confront the problem with the referee.
Clearly Wimbledon were pushing way beyond the norms of what a team might / should be allowed to get away with. The theatrics on show were at times the kind of stuff a civil war reenactment society would be proud of. All of which could have been stopped by a referee prepared to apply the laws of the game with respect to diving, simulation, kicking the ball away, writhing in agony as if shot one minute and trotting off seconds later, allowing a free kick to be taken almost directly towards where an "injured" player was about to come onto the pitch, and did! He did little and what he did do was too late and ineffectual. In truth the ref didnt fancy it today any more than our team did... he was frightened. They did a number on him from the off and then did one on us. |  | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 20:30 - Oct 22 with 3553 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 19:10 - Oct 22 by fourfourtwo |
It doesn’t and shouldn’t happen to the extent on display today.
I’m not just saying this because we lost, this really isn’t an excuse for the performance because we were second best all over the pitch.
I’m not prepared to see Wimbledons antics written off as “gamesmanship” because it wasn’t. It went beyond that and was absolutely awful to watch.
That was worse than anything I’ve seen from a Darren Ferguson team, and that’s saying something. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 19:11]
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Hear what you are saying but if we had won at Wimbledon away after the run of firm that they had been on you would have grabbed it with both hands & bugger the questionable tactics. I certainly would. |  | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 20:38 - Oct 22 with 3487 views | D_Alien |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 20:27 - Oct 22 by 49thseason |
Its not the fact of timewasting, as others have said every team does it ....if they are allowed to...today was choreographed timewasting that was initially permitted and then encouraged by the inaction of an exceptionally weak referee. Unfortunately we do not have senior players prepared to confront the problem with the referee.
Clearly Wimbledon were pushing way beyond the norms of what a team might / should be allowed to get away with. The theatrics on show were at times the kind of stuff a civil war reenactment society would be proud of. All of which could have been stopped by a referee prepared to apply the laws of the game with respect to diving, simulation, kicking the ball away, writhing in agony as if shot one minute and trotting off seconds later, allowing a free kick to be taken almost directly towards where an "injured" player was about to come onto the pitch, and did! He did little and what he did do was too late and ineffectual. In truth the ref didnt fancy it today any more than our team did... he was frightened. They did a number on him from the off and then did one on us. |
I have to come back to Ball
He's the one player we have prepared to give the ref the benefit of his opinion
The one decision i'm disappointed with from EBJ is to return the captain's armband to EEL when he came back from injury. I honestly don't see what he brings to the role - he certainly did nothing today to either cajole the ref or push the team further into the game. O'Donnell had more influence from his own penalty box when he was captain |  |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:12 - Oct 22 with 3376 views | golfaduffy |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 19:25 - Oct 22 by 442Dale |
That’s fair enough, all about personal opinions.
Bentley’s is much like mine:
“They got the dark arts spot on like any team away from home will do. You know, if they can waste time they will do. That’s part and parcel of the game, that’s down to the referee to nip in the bud.”
He also mentioned in his interview that Charman’s transfer was a board decision. |
How come it's ok when bentley calles their (awful ) tactics Dark Arts but you go potty and all sarky when another poster says the same?
They were a horrible team full of gamesmanship, and yes cheating. Sadly, Dale were hopeless today, and wouldn't have won if we'd played all day |  | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:15 - Oct 22 with 3334 views | golfaduffy |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 20:38 - Oct 22 by D_Alien |
I have to come back to Ball
He's the one player we have prepared to give the ref the benefit of his opinion
The one decision i'm disappointed with from EBJ is to return the captain's armband to EEL when he came back from injury. I honestly don't see what he brings to the role - he certainly did nothing today to either cajole the ref or push the team further into the game. O'Donnell had more influence from his own penalty box when he was captain |
Agreed. EEL was way off the pace today, and made a fair number of terrible decisions. Looks a shadow of the player we had on loan a few years ago. Wasn't on his own either. Keohane put in a poor shift, and Odoh was way off. | | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:19 - Oct 22 with 3323 views | 442Dale |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:12 - Oct 22 by golfaduffy |
How come it's ok when bentley calles their (awful ) tactics Dark Arts but you go potty and all sarky when another poster says the same?
They were a horrible team full of gamesmanship, and yes cheating. Sadly, Dale were hopeless today, and wouldn't have won if we'd played all day |
The phrase is silly that’s all! I said it was much like my opinion, mainly the part about them wasting time if they can and it being part and parcel of the game. Almost every team does it to varying degrees and it’s up to the ref to sort. He did by adding on seven minutes today. |  |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:28 - Oct 22 with 3261 views | D_Dale |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 19:53 - Oct 22 by NorthernDale |
I thought the m.o.m was Diagouraga, but Odoh was poor again , I would play Sinclair and Rodney on the wings, with Hendo in the central striker roe, with Odoh rested. For a big man, Rodney was also generally poor in the central role, he seems to have no pace and struggled physically, that is why he is more suited to the wide role. In truth both teams looked poor and combine this with a weak referee, ensured It was not a game that will be remembered for its quality and entertainment.
Now it is onto Tranmere where we have little success and then Walsall. I would be more then happy with two draws from the next two games. I hope just Ball is back, that Graham injury was not too bad, but Stockdale recruitment as left short of quality in midfield. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 19:58]
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Tranmere have been good at keeping clean sheets - 9 so far in the league this season I think - so a couple of early Dale goals should disconcert them ... | | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:46 - Oct 22 with 3193 views | fitzochris |
Seen a few posts now about the time wasting employed by Wimbledon today. On the few occasions we’ve been in the fortunate position to be winning this season while managed by Jim Bentley, we’ve employed the tactic. Not naming players, but against Barrow, for example, one of our players pushed another of our players back down when he tried to get up too quickly after being fouled. I applauded it. It’s something that shows we’re now as streetwise as the teams that do it to us.
If we play like we did today, it’ll happen to us more and more this season. How do we counter it? We could try to be leading in a game more often. That might help? Then we can even employ it ourselves, which I’m sure would be a-okay if we win. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 21:48]
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:04 - Oct 22 with 3101 views | dingdangblue |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 21:46 - Oct 22 by fitzochris |
Seen a few posts now about the time wasting employed by Wimbledon today. On the few occasions we’ve been in the fortunate position to be winning this season while managed by Jim Bentley, we’ve employed the tactic. Not naming players, but against Barrow, for example, one of our players pushed another of our players back down when he tried to get up too quickly after being fouled. I applauded it. It’s something that shows we’re now as streetwise as the teams that do it to us.
If we play like we did today, it’ll happen to us more and more this season. How do we counter it? We could try to be leading in a game more often. That might help? Then we can even employ it ourselves, which I’m sure would be a-okay if we win. [Post edited 22 Oct 2022 21:48]
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As has already been said by others it was far worse than just 'time-wasting' today. Every 5 minutes a Wimbledon player was sat on the pitch with the ref stopping play to let the physio on - they took the piss out of him. He kept pointing to his watch but if he had been really bothered about it he would have been adding on 10mins + at the end and not 7. |  |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:09 - Oct 22 with 3079 views | fitzochris |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:04 - Oct 22 by dingdangblue |
As has already been said by others it was far worse than just 'time-wasting' today. Every 5 minutes a Wimbledon player was sat on the pitch with the ref stopping play to let the physio on - they took the piss out of him. He kept pointing to his watch but if he had been really bothered about it he would have been adding on 10mins + at the end and not 7. |
Yes, I saw the game. | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:34 - Oct 22 with 2989 views | dingdangblue |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:09 - Oct 22 by fitzochris |
Yes, I saw the game. |
Right, apologies - I didn't realise with you comparing their time wasting to ours. | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:37 - Oct 22 with 2968 views | fitzochris |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:34 - Oct 22 by dingdangblue |
Right, apologies - I didn't realise with you comparing their time wasting to ours. |
Right. Because those extra three minutes would’ve made a difference with the way we are playing. I think we should focus on that rather than anything else, to be honest. | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 10:00 - Oct 23 with 2412 views | Bazzanne |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 22:37 - Oct 22 by fitzochris |
Right. Because those extra three minutes would’ve made a difference with the way we are playing. I think we should focus on that rather than anything else, to be honest. |
To be honest we could have played an extra 7 hours, it wouldn't have helped. We were abysmal. | | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 11:57 - Oct 23 with 2172 views | tony_roch975 |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 19:35 - Oct 22 by EllDale |
No-one man ever makes a team but thank God we signed Quigley when we did if that’s how we cope in his absence.
Rodney isn’t a target man and it’s pointless trying to lump the ball up to him and Sinclair.
And as for Odoh. There seems to be so much talent there and the effort is apparent but they double marked on that side so he was frustrated today so perhaps Wimbledon had done their homework or knew him from when he played down there?
They set up to stifle the midfield and to choke our wide men and followed the plan perfectly notwithstanding the “game management”.
I noticed that every we seemed to clear the ball from our penalty area in the first half it seemed to fall to one of their players. Was there a case for reverting to 442?
Malley was a massive disappointment after the first ten minutes. Anonymous. Campbell seems to have disappeared again too.
One plus might be the emergence of Cameron John as a left back.
Having said all that their second goal was a gift. We had half a dozen players still in their half when the ball hit the back of the net. It looked to be an acute angle when he shot but it’s hard to judge from the Sandy.
EBJ now has to haul them back onto their feet for Tuesday. |
Can't disagree with the general criticism. We looked leggy and the squad's technical weaknesses were shown up (misplaced passes from every player, EEL committing the cardinal sin of getting on the wrong side and O'Donnell not at his best) but I also thought we could have responded to their formation earlier. It pulled our midfield out of shape so there were 30 yard gaps, few chances to string together a move and our FBs were hemmed in. Jimmy K has looked good in recent seasons as a WB but as a FB (and on the wrong side) he seems a liability. Cameron John brought some attacking threat late on but I wonder if changing our formation earlier would have helped add to our midfield? [Post edited 23 Oct 2022 12:17]
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 12:02 - Oct 23 with 2160 views | TVOS1907 |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 20:27 - Oct 22 by 49thseason |
Its not the fact of timewasting, as others have said every team does it ....if they are allowed to...today was choreographed timewasting that was initially permitted and then encouraged by the inaction of an exceptionally weak referee. Unfortunately we do not have senior players prepared to confront the problem with the referee.
Clearly Wimbledon were pushing way beyond the norms of what a team might / should be allowed to get away with. The theatrics on show were at times the kind of stuff a civil war reenactment society would be proud of. All of which could have been stopped by a referee prepared to apply the laws of the game with respect to diving, simulation, kicking the ball away, writhing in agony as if shot one minute and trotting off seconds later, allowing a free kick to be taken almost directly towards where an "injured" player was about to come onto the pitch, and did! He did little and what he did do was too late and ineffectual. In truth the ref didnt fancy it today any more than our team did... he was frightened. They did a number on him from the off and then did one on us. |
And we wore black socks. |  |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:10 - Oct 23 with 2039 views | 49thseason |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 12:02 - Oct 23 by TVOS1907 |
And we wore black socks. |
Correct. its the small percentages that make a difference! Rather like having a left back who has a left foot and doesn't need to turn inside to pass the ball. Or having a (albeit temporary) centre forward that cannot / will not head the ball. And forcing a keeper with a back injury to take his own goal kicks, and having an amazing dribbler of the ball who can't find a final shot or pass. All small percentages.... but when you add them all together... | | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:26 - Oct 23 with 1956 views | TVOS1907 |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:10 - Oct 23 by 49thseason |
Correct. its the small percentages that make a difference! Rather like having a left back who has a left foot and doesn't need to turn inside to pass the ball. Or having a (albeit temporary) centre forward that cannot / will not head the ball. And forcing a keeper with a back injury to take his own goal kicks, and having an amazing dribbler of the ball who can't find a final shot or pass. All small percentages.... but when you add them all together... |
... you'd be left with the percentage attributable to what colour the socks are. | |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:30 - Oct 23 with 1945 views | D_Alien |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:26 - Oct 23 by TVOS1907 |
... you'd be left with the percentage attributable to what colour the socks are. |
There's also a percentage which would be attributable to players being sent off after losing their rag
Temper sent... | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:34 - Oct 23 with 1932 views | TVOS1907 |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:30 - Oct 23 by D_Alien |
There's also a percentage which would be attributable to players being sent off after losing their rag
Temper sent... |
Only in rag week. | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:35 - Oct 23 with 1934 views | judd |
Philip Buckingham has written an article in the Athletic in which he compares one premier league game having the ball in play 20 minutes longer than another fixture and asks is it time wasting or game management.
In a rudimentary fashion I calculated that the ball was in play for 2 of the original 7 added minutes yesterday and I think the ref played a further 2. |  |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 14:01 - Oct 23 with 1859 views | 442Dale |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:35 - Oct 23 by judd |
Philip Buckingham has written an article in the Athletic in which he compares one premier league game having the ball in play 20 minutes longer than another fixture and asks is it time wasting or game management.
In a rudimentary fashion I calculated that the ball was in play for 2 of the original 7 added minutes yesterday and I think the ref played a further 2. |
That’s a good point, he added seven and still stuck a couple more on top of that so it could be said he made it clear he was aware of the amount of time wasted.
Or game managed. | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 14:02 - Oct 23 with 1857 views | D_Alien |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:35 - Oct 23 by judd |
Philip Buckingham has written an article in the Athletic in which he compares one premier league game having the ball in play 20 minutes longer than another fixture and asks is it time wasting or game management.
In a rudimentary fashion I calculated that the ball was in play for 2 of the original 7 added minutes yesterday and I think the ref played a further 2. |
"Juddy time" | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 15:20 - Oct 23 with 1675 views | Dalenet |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 13:35 - Oct 23 by judd |
Philip Buckingham has written an article in the Athletic in which he compares one premier league game having the ball in play 20 minutes longer than another fixture and asks is it time wasting or game management.
In a rudimentary fashion I calculated that the ball was in play for 2 of the original 7 added minutes yesterday and I think the ref played a further 2. |
I'd like to see all teams play 90 minutes of football. Stop the clock every time the ball goes out of play. Even for a throw in. It would need a timekeeper of course. Would stop timewasting and tactical subs in last few minutes of the game. The 4th official is busy dealing with other stuff to have any real idea of whether to add 3 minutes or 7. Take that responsibility off them. We'd also get the game we'd paid to watch. | | | |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 15:26 - Oct 23 with 1650 views | 442Dale |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 15:20 - Oct 23 by Dalenet |
I'd like to see all teams play 90 minutes of football. Stop the clock every time the ball goes out of play. Even for a throw in. It would need a timekeeper of course. Would stop timewasting and tactical subs in last few minutes of the game. The 4th official is busy dealing with other stuff to have any real idea of whether to add 3 minutes or 7. Take that responsibility off them. We'd also get the game we'd paid to watch. |
We’d also be finishing games at gone 6pm.
The ref decides added time, not the fourth official, and yesterday it got it about right. | |
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| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 15:46 - Oct 23 with 1591 views | Dalenet |
| AFC Wimbledon (h) Match Thread on 15:26 - Oct 23 by 442Dale |
We’d also be finishing games at gone 6pm.
The ref decides added time, not the fourth official, and yesterday it got it about right. |
I don't care about yesterday. I am talking about changing the rules if the game. We wouldn't be there till 6pm as players and managers would get used to it. | | | |
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