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I assume you have specific people in mind? Pray, do tell otherwise this really doesn't make much sense.
Yeh, specifically, Labour voters who excuse their racism with the fact they support the self-proclaimed anti-racist party, as opposed to the "racist scum" (Deputy leader of Labour's words) conservatives.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 18:26 - Jul 12 with 1651 views
Bye bye bye Johnson on 17:54 - Jul 12 by SheffieldHoop
Yeh, specifically, Labour voters who excuse their racism with the fact they support the self-proclaimed anti-racist party, as opposed to the "racist scum" (Deputy leader of Labour's words) conservatives.
The one person you identify is Raynor who did indeed make that offensive remark. It was stupid of her even though Johnson has repeatedly made racist remarks in public. But who are these Labour voters you speak of and how are they racist?
Yes, Labour is a 'self proclaimed anti-racist party'. So is the Conservative party, and all other Parliamentary parties. It would be ridiculous to be otherwise.
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 18:34 - Jul 12 with 1559 views
The one person you identify is Raynor who did indeed make that offensive remark. It was stupid of her even though Johnson has repeatedly made racist remarks in public. But who are these Labour voters you speak of and how are they racist?
Yes, Labour is a 'self proclaimed anti-racist party'. So is the Conservative party, and all other Parliamentary parties. It would be ridiculous to be otherwise.
Haha so 2 years ago we were living through the whole BLM narrative, racism and racists everywhere, but now you're saying racism doesn't exist unless I give specific names and addresses. Excellent.
I seriously hope Kemi wins. Then you'll see exactly what I'm on about.
Oh, and there is quite a big difference between "Not racist" and "Anti Racist" - I personally identify as "not racist" as I think "Anti Racist" carries all sorts of negative connotations these days.
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"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
Bye bye bye Johnson on 18:34 - Jul 12 by SheffieldHoop
Haha so 2 years ago we were living through the whole BLM narrative, racism and racists everywhere, but now you're saying racism doesn't exist unless I give specific names and addresses. Excellent.
I seriously hope Kemi wins. Then you'll see exactly what I'm on about.
Oh, and there is quite a big difference between "Not racist" and "Anti Racist" - I personally identify as "not racist" as I think "Anti Racist" carries all sorts of negative connotations these days.
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You make a thoroughly bizarre conclusion that I said racism doesn't exist unless you give names and addresses. I said no such thing. I simply wanted you to explain your reference to racist Labour supporters, which you haven't.
Your empty claim remains unsubstantiated.
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 19:14 - Jul 12 with 1451 views
You make a thoroughly bizarre conclusion that I said racism doesn't exist unless you give names and addresses. I said no such thing. I simply wanted you to explain your reference to racist Labour supporters, which you haven't.
The problem politically at a local level you often get militant/stupid candidates (and that includes the Tories) who often cause controversies.
I think that Labour are particularly cyclical when it comes to exploiting ethnic minority communities on their political/religious cultural issues. It cuts across into the TU movement and is particularly distasteful. You also see in groups like CND, Stop The War, Friends of Palestine, BDS etc…
In principle do I support what they stand for? Yes. Do I support these groups? No bloody way!
The reason we’re so entrenched in these conversations is because politics has become so oppositional and debate is all about winning the argument and not finding consensus. We’re all guilty of it. Until we can move on from this I think we’ll continue having the same conversations for years to come!
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 20:08 - Jul 12 with 1313 views
You make a thoroughly bizarre conclusion that I said racism doesn't exist unless you give names and addresses. I said no such thing. I simply wanted you to explain your reference to racist Labour supporters, which you haven't.
Your empty claim remains unsubstantiated.
ICYMI on Page 5: "Seeing white, educated, Christian Europeans replaced by Africans and people from the Middle East and Asia." - Quickly withdrawn - But we could all tell what he meant, right?
People claiming a brown person could never lead the Conservatives. Others weirdly obsessed with the wealth and spouses of certain leadership candidates. All totally normal behavior......For swivel-eyed loons.
I love it when people on football forums go down the "Please explain your position in detail"......"Your evidence does not meet the criteria set by this court" route. A favourite on here. It's such a crappy defense while appearing kind of smart. But you never see people who post stuff about Tories being scum being asked to explain, do you. Maybe nobody is actually interested in what they have to say.
Badenoch for PM. Just what the country needs.
"Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 20:10 - Jul 12 with 1333 views
One thing I need answering though, why are the Tories (or Labour for that matter) still fighting on Brexit / Corbyn lines in 2022?
I want to hear what they have to say on the impending poverty wave, environmental issues, and public services.
Anyone distracted by these Punch and Judy antics on Brexit is a fool.
Fully agree.
Not that I plan to ever vote for the party, but just read the beeb’s summary of the candidates current tax stances, and Truss and Mourdant come across like idiots or intending to screw over the poorest disproportionately to the rich. Tbh, whilst I think he is a died in the wool Tory capitalist, Sunak might actually be the safest choice in the short term.
It is a simple fact of capitalism. The poorest depend on the state the more than the rich. If you cut taxes you reduce the state support and services - you can only make the civil service and state service sector so efficient. So anyone going hard on tax cuts is playing to their base and will make life harder for the poorest income deciles. Targeted tax cuts for the poorest would make sense, but no one is proposing that, obviously.
I can kind of see what Hunt is trying to achieve but we don’t have mass unemployment (quite the contrary) so if business flocks here and invests…will it really benefit the man on the street. All the big players cook the books anyway. It might help the SMEs and create some growth.
But the absolute focus must be tackling inflation. The macro economic climate is brutal but we’re worse impacted than the rest of Europe. You have to get inflation under control; it’s one of the hardest tricks in politics, without losing power/support and making life very tough in the short term.
Sunak appears to be the only one recognising the dangers of inflation.
Some of the rest are scary.
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:25 - Jul 12 with 1183 views
Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:20 - Jul 12 by Hunterhoop
Fully agree.
Not that I plan to ever vote for the party, but just read the beeb’s summary of the candidates current tax stances, and Truss and Mourdant come across like idiots or intending to screw over the poorest disproportionately to the rich. Tbh, whilst I think he is a died in the wool Tory capitalist, Sunak might actually be the safest choice in the short term.
It is a simple fact of capitalism. The poorest depend on the state the more than the rich. If you cut taxes you reduce the state support and services - you can only make the civil service and state service sector so efficient. So anyone going hard on tax cuts is playing to their base and will make life harder for the poorest income deciles. Targeted tax cuts for the poorest would make sense, but no one is proposing that, obviously.
I can kind of see what Hunt is trying to achieve but we don’t have mass unemployment (quite the contrary) so if business flocks here and invests…will it really benefit the man on the street. All the big players cook the books anyway. It might help the SMEs and create some growth.
But the absolute focus must be tackling inflation. The macro economic climate is brutal but we’re worse impacted than the rest of Europe. You have to get inflation under control; it’s one of the hardest tricks in politics, without losing power/support and making life very tough in the short term.
Sunak appears to be the only one recognising the dangers of inflation.
Some of the rest are scary.
Disagree on the Inflation bit but I think we are very much in agreement elsewhere!
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:28 - Jul 12 with 1167 views
The problem politically at a local level you often get militant/stupid candidates (and that includes the Tories) who often cause controversies.
I think that Labour are particularly cyclical when it comes to exploiting ethnic minority communities on their political/religious cultural issues. It cuts across into the TU movement and is particularly distasteful. You also see in groups like CND, Stop The War, Friends of Palestine, BDS etc…
In principle do I support what they stand for? Yes. Do I support these groups? No bloody way!
The reason we’re so entrenched in these conversations is because politics has become so oppositional and debate is all about winning the argument and not finding consensus. We’re all guilty of it. Until we can move on from this I think we’ll continue having the same conversations for years to come!
Sadly racism can be found in all walks of life, Labour included. I was however asking for substantiation from SheffieldHoops on the claim that "Labour voters who excuse their racism with the fact they support the self-proclaimed anti-racist party". I still haven't seen that.
I do agree with your last para. In UK politics the problem you highlight is largely down to the antiquated adversarial Parliamentary system and FPTP elections. If politicians were made to consult together and learn how to compromise to find solutions, things might get better in this regard.
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:36 - Jul 12 with 1130 views
Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:20 - Jul 12 by Hunterhoop
Fully agree.
Not that I plan to ever vote for the party, but just read the beeb’s summary of the candidates current tax stances, and Truss and Mourdant come across like idiots or intending to screw over the poorest disproportionately to the rich. Tbh, whilst I think he is a died in the wool Tory capitalist, Sunak might actually be the safest choice in the short term.
It is a simple fact of capitalism. The poorest depend on the state the more than the rich. If you cut taxes you reduce the state support and services - you can only make the civil service and state service sector so efficient. So anyone going hard on tax cuts is playing to their base and will make life harder for the poorest income deciles. Targeted tax cuts for the poorest would make sense, but no one is proposing that, obviously.
I can kind of see what Hunt is trying to achieve but we don’t have mass unemployment (quite the contrary) so if business flocks here and invests…will it really benefit the man on the street. All the big players cook the books anyway. It might help the SMEs and create some growth.
But the absolute focus must be tackling inflation. The macro economic climate is brutal but we’re worse impacted than the rest of Europe. You have to get inflation under control; it’s one of the hardest tricks in politics, without losing power/support and making life very tough in the short term.
Sunak appears to be the only one recognising the dangers of inflation.
Some of the rest are scary.
"Tbh, whilst I think he is a died in the wool Tory capitalist, Sunak might actually be the safest choice in the short term."
Indeed, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is King
If its Sunak we will be in trouble, with the others we will be totally screwed
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:37 - Jul 12 with 1126 views
Sadly racism can be found in all walks of life, Labour included. I was however asking for substantiation from SheffieldHoops on the claim that "Labour voters who excuse their racism with the fact they support the self-proclaimed anti-racist party". I still haven't seen that.
I do agree with your last para. In UK politics the problem you highlight is largely down to the antiquated adversarial Parliamentary system and FPTP elections. If politicians were made to consult together and learn how to compromise to find solutions, things might get better in this regard.
Regarding your lsst para I think on the contrary you would have gridlock and nothing would be done .
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 22:01 - Jul 12 with 1076 views
Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:37 - Jul 12 by essextaxiboy
Regarding your lsst para I think on the contrary you would have gridlock and nothing would be done .
Nonsense.
Germany gets things done.
Do you genuinely think politics would grind to halt public services cease, civil servants become less productive? Sh*t would still need to happen and would happen. It would just force more collaborative ways of working across party lines (good) and more long term thinking (even better).
FPTP is a hugely outdated system which offers little benefit. It’s hardly delivered stable govts in the last 12 years anyways.
It needs changing for the good of the UK. The only ones who want to keep it are Tories who care more about the party than the country, which is almost all of them.
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 22:23 - Jul 12 with 1010 views
Bye bye bye Johnson on 22:01 - Jul 12 by Hunterhoop
Nonsense.
Germany gets things done.
Do you genuinely think politics would grind to halt public services cease, civil servants become less productive? Sh*t would still need to happen and would happen. It would just force more collaborative ways of working across party lines (good) and more long term thinking (even better).
FPTP is a hugely outdated system which offers little benefit. It’s hardly delivered stable govts in the last 12 years anyways.
It needs changing for the good of the UK. The only ones who want to keep it are Tories who care more about the party than the country, which is almost all of them.
Labour too.
66% of Labour members back PR but it’s been knocked back at conference. Labour would be in big trouble if PR came about because half their membership / voters would fck off to a Podemos / Syriza type party in a heartbeat as soon as it became electorally viable.
Bye bye bye Johnson on 21:37 - Jul 12 by essextaxiboy
Regarding your lsst para I think on the contrary you would have gridlock and nothing would be done .
Most other countries use some form of proportional representation in their elections and are quite able to form and run their governments. The UK is among the few still using the outdated FPTP system but it will one day change.
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Bye bye bye Johnson on 22:35 - Jul 12 with 1865 views
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