| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:56 - Mar 16 with 4076 views | RAFCBLUE |
No - the charges from the EFL today against the club and a number of individuals are all about how shares were transferred contrary to EFL rules in July 2021.
How did those shares get sold without the EFL giving their permission.
It has nothing to do with any event after July 2021, regardless to how others might want to spin it. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:06 - Mar 16 with 4030 views | Sandyman |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:56 - Mar 16 by RAFCBLUE |
No - the charges from the EFL today against the club and a number of individuals are all about how shares were transferred contrary to EFL rules in July 2021.
How did those shares get sold without the EFL giving their permission.
It has nothing to do with any event after July 2021, regardless to how others might want to spin it. |
Precisely. The wording says:
"Following the conclusion of an investigation into the acquisition of shares in Rochdale AFC by Morton House, the EFL has charged the Club and a number of other individuals with alleged breaches of EFL Regulations.
The EFL has been considering whether the Club, any Official, any Relevant Person(s) and/or any other Persons involved complied with the requirements of the Regulations in respect of the acquisition of shares in the Club in July 2021.
Having comprehensively reviewed the relevant issues, the EFL has now determined there is sufficient evidence to justify issuing various charges of Misconduct. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:09 - Mar 16 with 4017 views | James1980 |
Struggling to see how the club can be to blame for any wrong doing.
Dan. Wasn't on the board or a club employee
Emre. Wasn't on the board or a club employee
The invisible chairman had stepped down from that role
Roger the Biffo left before the month of July has started
Car Weasel was no longer on the board.
The sale of shares was done behind the backs of the board. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:15 - Mar 16 with 3979 views | Dalenet |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:09 - Mar 16 by James1980 |
Struggling to see how the club can be to blame for any wrong doing.
Dan. Wasn't on the board or a club employee
Emre. Wasn't on the board or a club employee
The invisible chairman had stepped down from that role
Roger the Biffo left before the month of July has started
Car Weasel was no longer on the board.
The sale of shares was done behind the backs of the board. |
The EFL have evidence that the club (via its Board or employees) were in breach. I suspect this was driven by actions ahead of the proposed acquisition. Time will tell as we don't have access to the information held by the EFL. Our new Board will know and they can't tell us. I am sure the club's lawyers are pursing individuals that led to this fiasco as they had a duty of care for the club and the integrity of the EFL rules the club needed to follow. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:27 - Mar 16 with 3901 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:06 - Mar 16 by Sandyman |
Precisely. The wording says:
"Following the conclusion of an investigation into the acquisition of shares in Rochdale AFC by Morton House, the EFL has charged the Club and a number of other individuals with alleged breaches of EFL Regulations.
The EFL has been considering whether the Club, any Official, any Relevant Person(s) and/or any other Persons involved complied with the requirements of the Regulations in respect of the acquisition of shares in the Club in July 2021.
Having comprehensively reviewed the relevant issues, the EFL has now determined there is sufficient evidence to justify issuing various charges of Misconduct. |
Completely right Sandyman. The only month that matters is July 2021 which is when the EFL are saying the deed was done.
The other thing that hasn't been floated yet, but should be is a potential class action by non-Morton House shareholders against those individuals who created such a situation.
The media has published some quite conclusive evidence that minor shareholders were possibly deliberately prejudiced by the events in July 2021. The EFL will, in time, have to publish their decision(s) which will be a matter of public record.
Note, this is before anything that happened in October 2021 and subsequent.
Imagine if little individual shareholders at July 2021 all joined together and took those the EFL deem responsible for July 2021's events to court?
The People vs Roger.
Would be like the 1st June all over again. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:56 - Mar 16 with 3769 views | rochedale |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 13:56 - Mar 16 by RAFCBLUE |
No - the charges from the EFL today against the club and a number of individuals are all about how shares were transferred contrary to EFL rules in July 2021.
How did those shares get sold without the EFL giving their permission.
It has nothing to do with any event after July 2021, regardless to how others might want to spin it. |
Thanks for clarifying. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:58 - Mar 16 with 3752 views | 442Dale |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:36 - Mar 16 by huchen_karma |
I'd be more concerned about what information and evidence the Club can provide to the Disciplinary Commission and from then what sanctions they impose shall we ;0) |
Thanks.
So nothing then? |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 18:54 - Mar 16 with 3370 views | finberty |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:36 - Mar 16 by huchen_karma |
I'd be more concerned about what information and evidence the Club can provide to the Disciplinary Commission and from then what sanctions they impose shall we ;0) |
Three points to note from the above poster:
Grammatically incoherent.
Financially incompetent.
Legally naive. |  | | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 19:01 - Mar 16 with 3349 views | James1980 |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:15 - Mar 16 by Dalenet |
The EFL have evidence that the club (via its Board or employees) were in breach. I suspect this was driven by actions ahead of the proposed acquisition. Time will tell as we don't have access to the information held by the EFL. Our new Board will know and they can't tell us. I am sure the club's lawyers are pursing individuals that led to this fiasco as they had a duty of care for the club and the integrity of the EFL rules the club needed to follow. |
But the sale of the infamous five's shareholdings was done behind the backs of the current board and as far as I am aware the transfer forms haven't been submitted to the club/efl/companies house.
Do the EFL think the club should have said to Morton House. Submit transfer forms in the names of Faicial, Darryl, Andrew and Valarie for approx 10% each rather than in the company name for 42%. That way as a collective you have a 42% share but wouldn't be subject to the OADT. Should Simon and Co have done more to help facilitate this hostile take over? Is that the message the EFL are sending out by charging the club | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 20:11 - Mar 16 with 3187 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 19:01 - Mar 16 by James1980 |
But the sale of the infamous five's shareholdings was done behind the backs of the current board and as far as I am aware the transfer forms haven't been submitted to the club/efl/companies house.
Do the EFL think the club should have said to Morton House. Submit transfer forms in the names of Faicial, Darryl, Andrew and Valarie for approx 10% each rather than in the company name for 42%. That way as a collective you have a 42% share but wouldn't be subject to the OADT. Should Simon and Co have done more to help facilitate this hostile take over? Is that the message the EFL are sending out by charging the club |
I believe the share sales went ahead without the knowledge of the board at that time. I think the new board would not authorize the transfer because the correct EFL procedure had not been followed.
Whoever advised these buyers is nothing short of a fookwit.*
*no, it wasn’t me |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 21:51 - Mar 16 with 3003 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 20:11 - Mar 16 by judd |
I believe the share sales went ahead without the knowledge of the board at that time. I think the new board would not authorize the transfer because the correct EFL procedure had not been followed.
Whoever advised these buyers is nothing short of a fookwit.*
*no, it wasn’t me |
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2021/june/statement_boardofdirectors/
At the time, judd, on 30th June 2021, the Board of Directors said:
We are aware of a group or individuals who are currently attempting to buy shares from shareholders with a takeover in mind.
The Board is not in support of this action, but is seeking to create a share issue soon to qualifying individuals to raise funds.
More details will follow on this initiative, which will be put to shareholders at an Extraordinary General Meeting.
What I think that demonstrates is:
(1) In June 2021, before any share transfers the Board were "not in support" of the actions being undertaken
(2) In June 2021, before any share transfers the Board had announced that an EGM would be held to "to raise funds"
Both of those statements coming well before what the EFL statement has confirmed today were JULY share transfers.
You can only imagine that any daft brush buyer completed having seen that statement which has had over 5,400 views! | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:07 - Mar 16 with 2952 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 21:51 - Mar 16 by RAFCBLUE |
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2021/june/statement_boardofdirectors/
At the time, judd, on 30th June 2021, the Board of Directors said:
We are aware of a group or individuals who are currently attempting to buy shares from shareholders with a takeover in mind.
The Board is not in support of this action, but is seeking to create a share issue soon to qualifying individuals to raise funds.
More details will follow on this initiative, which will be put to shareholders at an Extraordinary General Meeting.
What I think that demonstrates is:
(1) In June 2021, before any share transfers the Board were "not in support" of the actions being undertaken
(2) In June 2021, before any share transfers the Board had announced that an EGM would be held to "to raise funds"
Both of those statements coming well before what the EFL statement has confirmed today were JULY share transfers.
You can only imagine that any daft brush buyer completed having seen that statement which has had over 5,400 views! |
Thanks for the illuminating commentary.
Am I right in thinking that a former director but still employee became a former director AND former employee on 28th June? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:13 - Mar 16 with 2903 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:07 - Mar 16 by judd |
Thanks for the illuminating commentary.
Am I right in thinking that a former director but still employee became a former director AND former employee on 28th June? |
You are completely right, judd. It was David Roger Bottomley.
Here is the link:
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2021/june/clubstatement_28.062.21/
The club today announce the departure of David Bottomley by mutual consent.
David was appointed CEO in December 2018.
The club thanks David for his contribution and wishes him well for the future.
This one has had 16,000 news views. Proof that good news does travel well!
The Judas. [Post edited 16 Mar 2022 22:13]
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:37 - Mar 16 with 2789 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:13 - Mar 16 by RAFCBLUE |
You are completely right, judd. It was David Roger Bottomley.
Here is the link:
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2021/june/clubstatement_28.062.21/
The club today announce the departure of David Bottomley by mutual consent.
David was appointed CEO in December 2018.
The club thanks David for his contribution and wishes him well for the future.
This one has had 16,000 news views. Proof that good news does travel well!
The Judas. [Post edited 16 Mar 2022 22:13]
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Contribution singular speaks volumes.
I presume that contribution being his departure by “mutual consent “? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:37 - Mar 16 with 2788 views | RAFCBLUE |
Mainly a rehash of previous articles and most of the quotes taken from the EFL statement.
Auntie's standards have fallen over the years. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:39 - Mar 16 with 2777 views | wozzrafc |
Who would have thought that the BBC would an half arsed report of the facts? ……. Well they have a bit of previous in that respect. Don’t they Mr S Stone? | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 22:39 - Mar 16 with 2773 views | D_Alien |
This is precisely the type of half-baked reporting that i thought might happen
No matter if this is amended in future, most people reading it might well draw the wrong conclusions and won't revisit the article
How do we get this type of article from gaining traction in the minds of neutral fans - or fans who might've supported our cause but probably won't after reading this?
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 23:12 - Mar 16 with 2692 views | Sandyman |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 19:01 - Mar 16 by James1980 |
But the sale of the infamous five's shareholdings was done behind the backs of the current board and as far as I am aware the transfer forms haven't been submitted to the club/efl/companies house.
Do the EFL think the club should have said to Morton House. Submit transfer forms in the names of Faicial, Darryl, Andrew and Valarie for approx 10% each rather than in the company name for 42%. That way as a collective you have a 42% share but wouldn't be subject to the OADT. Should Simon and Co have done more to help facilitate this hostile take over? Is that the message the EFL are sending out by charging the club |
IMHO, no and no, James.
As has been stated often during the new board's tenure, they have been in contact and complied with the EFL at all times on this issue. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 23:39 - Mar 16 with 2647 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 23:12 - Mar 16 by Sandyman |
IMHO, no and no, James.
As has been stated often during the new board's tenure, they have been in contact and complied with the EFL at all times on this issue. |
It's also worth noting that Captain Sabotage is completely to blame.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu
The call nevertheless prompted a WhatsApp message from Alexander Jarvis, who described himself as an adviser to what he admitted was a “hostile takeover” and said that Curran was “a bit of a recluse”.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/businessman
Mr Curran has not commented on the claims specifically, but Mr Jarvis has now sought to clarify what his client said.
Mr Jarvis said: "My client said 'several board members were small-minded and wanted managed decline instead of returning to League One'.
Those articles were 5th August 2021 and 12th August 2021 respectively AFTER what the EFL have now confirmed are share sales in July.
Jarvo botched it.
He's managed to implicate a whole raft of individuals:
Andrew Curran - who Fat Pat saw at Spotland in April 2021
Matthew Southall - who Fat Pat saw at Spotland in April 2021
David Bottomley - who Fat Pat saw with Jarvo in April 2021
Darrell Rose
He's got to have implicated them all since the Board in June 2021 (before these shares were sold have said)
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2021/june/statement_boardofdirectors/
We are aware of a group or individuals who are currently attempting to buy shares from shareholders with a takeover in mind.
The Board is not in support of this action, but is seeking to create a share issue soon to qualifying individuals to raise funds.
Can't be any clearer.
Board not in support of Andrew Curran
Board not in support of Captain Sabotage
Board not in support of Matthew Southall
Board not in support of Darrell Rose
Board not in support any takeover.
I don't think it is any more difficult that this.
Question for Jarvo - will you grass formally to the EFL to save your skin?
I wouldn't put it past him; there is no one going to take him seriously for a football deal ever again after this. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 09:00 - Mar 17 with 2436 views | James1980 |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 23:12 - Mar 16 by Sandyman |
IMHO, no and no, James.
As has been stated often during the new board's tenure, they have been in contact and complied with the EFL at all times on this issue. |
My comment was flippant and daft. I am just flabbergasted that the club have been charged. Hopefully the hearing will decide no sanctions are to be meted out to the club. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 09:56 - Mar 17 with 2313 views | lyberoc |
I think that a precedent has been set with the EFL charging Swindon Town over events that occured during a previous ownership , any sanctions we receive I think would be suspended.
"Upon consideration the Board determined that it would be appropriate to do so in these circumstances and offered the Club the following sanction, which was subsequently agreed:
- A suspended three points deduction to be immediately activated in the event that the Club breaches Regulation 63.7 on or before 30 June 2022.
An EFL Spokesperson said: “Whilst this decision relates to a period when the Club was under different ownership, the EFL has a responsibility to treat all cases of misconduct equally and has taken the appropriate course of action in line with its Regulations. " |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:10 - Mar 17 with 2186 views | Sandyman |
From EFL rules...
"63.7 The terms of a Standard Contract between a Club and a Player shall be strictly adhered to.
Guidance
In line with decisions of the PFNCC the EFL cannot accept termination / break clauses in
Contracts, except in cases where the PFA, on behalf of the player, agree.
The only situations where agreement has been given have related to known serious medical
conditions which pose the risk of having to cease playing e.g. heart conditions.
Similarly, the EFL cannot accept contracts which seek to contradict or remove any of the
provisions of the Standard Contract unless (a) they relate to clause 4 — image rights, provided
equivalent provisions are contained within the image rights agreement; or (b) excluding clause
19 (severance pay) in a multiplicity contract (see Regulation 62.5). " | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 11:18 - Mar 17 with 2175 views | electricblue |
| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 20:11 - Mar 16 by judd |
I believe the share sales went ahead without the knowledge of the board at that time. I think the new board would not authorize the transfer because the correct EFL procedure had not been followed.
Whoever advised these buyers is nothing short of a fookwit.*
*no, it wasn’t me |
Who ever advised them wanted their cut.....
Agent Bottomley and Jarvis... |  |
| My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds |
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| MORTON HOUSE / EFL conclude investigation charging "multiple individuals&am on 14:53 - Mar 19 with 1433 views | 442Dale |
Simon Gauge has been on GMR, Dale fans should be “pleased this action has been taken” and they’re looking forward to all information coming out in the public domain. It should be available on the iplayer playback thing later hopefully. | |
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