| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's 21:43 - Jan 20 with 5310 views | trampie |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:06 - Jan 21 with 1202 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 09:58 - Jan 21 by johnlangy |
All the money to fund the furlough scheme for the whole of the UK was borrowed by the Westminster government. They borrowed the money because the devolved governments are not allowed to.
When the Welsh and Scottish governments decided that their Nations should go into lockdown, as they were perfectly entitled to, Westminster said no to furlough. When the Westminster Government decided that England should go into lockdown, as they were entitled to, furlough was reintroduced. Immediately.
So what does that say ? Wales and Scotland were being more careful than England in their approach. But Westminster said no to funding, effectively saying you are doing the wrong thing even though healthcare has been devolved.
What if Westminster had decided to be more careful than Wales and Scotland ? Do any of you think there would have been any delay in funding furlough in that scenario ?
That last one was a rhetorical question. The answer is no.
Whatever you may think about how the Welsh and Scottish governments handle healthcare, the fact is that health has been devolved and they alone should be responsible for their own Nations care. By denying furlough Westminster deliberately undermined the two governments. |
Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government.
The UK government have followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended and the UK chancellor provided very generous furlough funding to save 11 million people being made redundant or layed off on no pay. |  |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:08 - Jan 21 with 1202 views | johnlangy |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 10:43 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government.
The UK government have followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended and the UK chancellor provided very generous furlough funding to save 11 million people being made redundant or layed off on no pay. |
'Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government'.
They've had that access when Westminster decided they should have access. Health is either devolved or it isn't.
The UK government have not followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended. What they did was to take the evidence and consider it along with many other factors (keeping the economy open eg) and decide on a way forward. The Welsh and Scottish governments have done the same but decided to be a bit more careful, as is their prerogative.
Whatever you think about the Welsh and Scottish governments they were elected democratically by the Welsh and Scottish people. And part of their specific responsibility is healthcare.
Westminster has undermined Welsh and Scottish democracy by denying furlough when requested.. | | | |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:43 - Jan 21 with 1172 views | Boundy |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:08 - Jan 21 by johnlangy |
'Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government'.
They've had that access when Westminster decided they should have access. Health is either devolved or it isn't.
The UK government have not followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended. What they did was to take the evidence and consider it along with many other factors (keeping the economy open eg) and decide on a way forward. The Welsh and Scottish governments have done the same but decided to be a bit more careful, as is their prerogative.
Whatever you think about the Welsh and Scottish governments they were elected democratically by the Welsh and Scottish people. And part of their specific responsibility is healthcare.
Westminster has undermined Welsh and Scottish democracy by denying furlough when requested.. |
You're correct "Whatever you think about the Welsh and Scottish governments they were elected democratically by the Welsh and Scottish people. And part of their specific responsibility is healthcare."
and in that even prior to the pandemic they have failed miserably.
The median waiting time for NHS hospital treatment in Wales was 24.5 weeks in February 2021ĆĀ up from 10 weeks a year earlier. In England it was 12.6 weeks. Wales has a target for people to wait no longer than 36 weeks for treatment, but four in 10 patients did not receive medical care within this timeframe. Gething, the Welsh health minister, acknowledged it will take five years to clear the backlog of treatment.
The very structure of the health service in Wales has overly complicated the delivery of healthcare as the service was ādevolved into seven independent health boardsā, each operating an individual annual budget so no joined up thinking
In England, the NHS has a greater degree of operational independence although it works to a mandate set by the Department of Health whereas in Wales is run by civil servants. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:51 - Jan 21 with 1170 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 09:58 - Jan 21 by johnlangy |
All the money to fund the furlough scheme for the whole of the UK was borrowed by the Westminster government. They borrowed the money because the devolved governments are not allowed to.
When the Welsh and Scottish governments decided that their Nations should go into lockdown, as they were perfectly entitled to, Westminster said no to furlough. When the Westminster Government decided that England should go into lockdown, as they were entitled to, furlough was reintroduced. Immediately.
So what does that say ? Wales and Scotland were being more careful than England in their approach. But Westminster said no to funding, effectively saying you are doing the wrong thing even though healthcare has been devolved.
What if Westminster had decided to be more careful than Wales and Scotland ? Do any of you think there would have been any delay in funding furlough in that scenario ?
That last one was a rhetorical question. The answer is no.
Whatever you may think about how the Welsh and Scottish governments handle healthcare, the fact is that health has been devolved and they alone should be responsible for their own Nations care. By denying furlough Westminster deliberately undermined the two governments. |
Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government.
The UK government have followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended and the UK chancellor provided very generous furlough funding to save 11 million people being made redundant or layed off on no pay. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 13:04 - Jan 21 with 1157 views | 73__73 |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:51 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government.
The UK government have followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended and the UK chancellor provided very generous furlough funding to save 11 million people being made redundant or layed off on no pay. |
Oh yes itās very kind of the chancellor to provide furlough to save jobs, jobs he and the rest of the government were responsible for putting in jeopardy in the first place | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 14:10 - Jan 21 with 1126 views | Boundy |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 13:04 - Jan 21 by 73__73 |
Oh yes itās very kind of the chancellor to provide furlough to save jobs, jobs he and the rest of the government were responsible for putting in jeopardy in the first place |
Yes the blighters were busy in a cellar mixing a concoction of nasties to throw at the world . I would advise you to stop taking the steroids, if only for your own mental health. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 14:20 - Jan 21 with 1116 views | whiterock |
A habitual liar v an over cautious leader, I'm surprised its only 60%, can't wait for the most famous woman in Britain to give us her report next week | | | |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:01 - Jan 21 with 1086 views | johnlangy |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 12:51 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales and Scotland have had equal access the furlough money allocated by the UK government.
The UK government have followed the scientific evidence as to when lockdown started and ended and the UK chancellor provided very generous furlough funding to save 11 million people being made redundant or layed off on no pay. |
Why did you repost this instead of answering my last post ? | | | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:38 - Jan 21 with 1073 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:01 - Jan 21 by johnlangy |
Why did you repost this instead of answering my last post ? |
The UK government has not denied furlough money. All four nations have had access to it. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:48 - Jan 21 with 1066 views | johnlangy |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:38 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
The UK government has not denied furlough money. All four nations have had access to it. |
They denied furlough money to Wales when it was asked for because the Welsh government decided to go into lockdown before England, as is their right. They then started paying it when they (Westminster) decided they wanted England to go into lockdown.
So they denied it until it suited them to pay for it. | | | |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:57 - Jan 21 with 1062 views | Flashberryjack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 23:51 - Jan 20 by Glossolalia |
Funny that. Most people I know think Drakeford is a massive cvnt. |
That's how most people I know would describe him, the rest reckon he's worst than that. |  |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 17:21 - Jan 21 with 1048 views | Kilkennyjack |
The great man is at it again ā¦
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 17:24 - Jan 21 with 1044 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 11:21 - Jan 21 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Probably not on the interest of us Welsh people to keep attacking the UK Government. |
It absolutely is, as somebody once said ā¦. āWales has been a little too well behavedā.
Johnson will just walk all over you.
Stand up and fight. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 17:27 - Jan 21 with 1043 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 11:24 - Jan 21 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Probably not on the interest of us Welsh people to keep attacking the UK Government. Unfortunately in Parliamentary terms there is more political weight in Yorkshire than Wales, that's why the historical approach has been not to be too antagonist. |
Yorkshire ever done this ?
Today, 1 September 2021, Ireland takes on the role of President of the United Nations Security Council for the month of September.
Thought not. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 18:05 - Jan 21 with 1038 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 17:27 - Jan 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Yorkshire ever done this ?
Today, 1 September 2021, Ireland takes on the role of President of the United Nations Security Council for the month of September.
Thought not. |
It is rotated through every country. Not sure Ireland ever takes part in any United Nations peacekeeping missions. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 18:08 - Jan 21 with 1034 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 17:27 - Jan 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Yorkshire ever done this ?
Today, 1 September 2021, Ireland takes on the role of President of the United Nations Security Council for the month of September.
Thought not. |
You've lost me but I can assure you that the cream cracker was invented in Ireland. |  |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 21:01 - Jan 21 with 983 views | bennytheblue |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 09:34 - Jan 21 by Dr_Winston |
"Government trying to distract people from their handling of the Pandemic" says man trying to distract people from his handling of the Pandemic. |
Never a truer word spoken thereā¦.not an easy job I grant you from a man whose name I barely knew 2 years ago but heās just playing political games with the economy here so he can do one. |  | | |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 22:05 - Jan 21 with 947 views | majorraglan |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 16:38 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
The UK government has not denied furlough money. All four nations have had access to it. |
They did. The north west region also had issues accessing funds when they were subjected to higher level of restrictions. | | | |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 22:33 - Jan 21 with 939 views | felixstowe_jack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 17:27 - Jan 21 by Kilkennyjack |
Yorkshire ever done this ?
Today, 1 September 2021, Ireland takes on the role of President of the United Nations Security Council for the month of September.
Thought not. |
It is rotated through every country. Not sure Ireland ever takes part in any United Nations peacekeeping missions. | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 22:42 - Jan 21 with 927 views | Boundy |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 22:33 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
It is rotated through every country. Not sure Ireland ever takes part in any United Nations peacekeeping missions. |
They do and have a decent record of peacekeeping in the Congo & middle east | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 00:16 - Jan 22 with 901 views | Kilkennyjack |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 22:42 - Jan 21 by Boundy |
They do and have a decent record of peacekeeping in the Congo & middle east |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 06:57 - Jan 26 with 797 views | felixstowe_jack |
Good to see Drakeford following England's lead and is cutting self isolation to 5 days. Where England lead Nicola follows and a week later dithering Drakeford follows . | |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 07:32 - Jan 26 with 787 views | Dr_Winston |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 06:57 - Jan 26 by felixstowe_jack |
Good to see Drakeford following England's lead and is cutting self isolation to 5 days. Where England lead Nicola follows and a week later dithering Drakeford follows . |
The isolation rules are the biggest barrier to returning to normality now. We'll know we're most of the way there when they're ditched completely.
Stay at home if you've got symptoms, otherwise get on with it. |  |
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| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 09:08 - Jan 26 with 750 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| 60% of people in Wales prefer Mark Drakeford's Covid approach to England's on 06:57 - Jan 26 by felixstowe_jack |
Good to see Drakeford following England's lead and is cutting self isolation to 5 days. Where England lead Nicola follows and a week later dithering Drakeford follows . |
That's the pattern. | |
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