| A free UK 08:27 - May 10 with 11389 views | felixstowe_jack |
I have started a new thread as the remain thread seems to have locked with no new comments allowed.
Michael Barnier has admitted that Britain could not have achieved is vaccine success if we had remained members of the EU. He added that Britain and America have proved that taking risks can sometimes be worthwhile. |  |
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| A free UK on 11:54 - May 12 with 1755 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 11:36 - May 12 by onehunglow |
If these were comments pertaining to an African /Caribbean country ,we wouldnt be discussing this now |
Well no, it would be considered racist and/or xenophobic but apparently attacking English incomers isn't considered racist or xenophobic by some of the Welsh Nats. I mean, look at this in the WOL,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/dedicated-dad-living-under-old-205
This Merthyrandproud seems like a right hate filled bigot to me.
It's always good to see peoples true colours though. | |
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| A free UK on 12:01 - May 12 with 1748 views | Catullus |
Right then, lets try and stay on thread, here we go, good news,
https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2021/may/12/uk-gdp-rebounds-with-21-gr
I've seen before that the experts think the UK economy will rebound quicker than Europe/EU economies because we have done so well with vaccinations and can open up whereas across the continent they are still deep in restrictions. The delay in the EU is doing deeper damage and even Christine Lagarde worries about a tsunami of bankruptcies,
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/europe-faces-bankruptcy-tsunami/ar-BB1g9Cj
So for all he's gotten wrong, for all that he's a (words I cannot use) Bojo has got something very important right, he's saved lives and businesses. On the news in a bit. Bojo is making a Covid related statement, I hope that is good news too! | |
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| A free UK on 12:23 - May 12 with 1730 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 11:33 - May 12 by Catullus |
The population in Wales is older on average BUT you claim that most of the English coming here are old and create a bigger problem. There's nothing in those figures to prove that. It only gives the percentage of Welsh residents over 65, not their place of birth.
And again, there are Weslh people living elsewhere who will also need the NHS. If those Welsh people are younger they are more likley to be claiming benefits and having kids, should Wals pay the maternity bills for the Welsh in England?
It's pathetic really. Wales is subsidised by over 12 billion per year. If we stopped the elderly English coming here, maybe you hadn't though about this but it touches on it in the report, if we had fewer old people needing health and social care, it would see a reduction in Welsh funding by up to ONE BILLION quid. SO Tramps, WEstminster already pays.
Get over it, it's just more anti English bias from a person who claims not to be biased  |
It says on Wales' Fiscal Future: A path to sustainability ? document that "net migration into Wales from other UK countries is particularly high among 50-60 year olds".
Net migration mind you and that migration is nearly all English and not Northern Irish or Scottish, as I assume you don't know that. |  |
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| A free UK on 12:54 - May 12 with 1718 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 11:33 - May 12 by Catullus |
The population in Wales is older on average BUT you claim that most of the English coming here are old and create a bigger problem. There's nothing in those figures to prove that. It only gives the percentage of Welsh residents over 65, not their place of birth.
And again, there are Weslh people living elsewhere who will also need the NHS. If those Welsh people are younger they are more likley to be claiming benefits and having kids, should Wals pay the maternity bills for the Welsh in England?
It's pathetic really. Wales is subsidised by over 12 billion per year. If we stopped the elderly English coming here, maybe you hadn't though about this but it touches on it in the report, if we had fewer old people needing health and social care, it would see a reduction in Welsh funding by up to ONE BILLION quid. SO Tramps, WEstminster already pays.
Get over it, it's just more anti English bias from a person who claims not to be biased |
You misunderstand, they are not talking about funding in this instance, they estimate (or somebody else estimates actually) that if our population distribution was the same as the UK average then our total expenditure would reduce by over 1 billion and our tax revenue would increase by £500 million.
We have lots of old people that don't work because they are retired and we have lots of migrants and many happen to come from England that are also old, it's a great strain on our health service and welfare system, we don't get enough from the Barnett system, even the guy that divised it apparently says its not fit for purpose, don't know about the other UK countries but it's recognised that Wales is short changed and doesn't get as much as it should from Barnett. | |
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| A free UK on 13:12 - May 12 with 1699 views | onehunglow |
I’ve never seem anything like the full on anti English rhetoric we see now. What has happened Cat.
Things were never like this . I’m much older than you and this English hatred never was inSwansea in normal life.
It makes me very very sad.
For anyone to suggest Welsh people are somehow any more tolerant is a lie .
I read Barnsley and York full of racists .Nothing like what I am seeing right now.
I would say inter necine strife isn’t alive and well.
Tolerance is pretty much zero...Politics especially is toxic | |
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| A free UK on 15:53 - May 12 with 1676 views | felixstowe_jack |
| A free UK on 11:02 - May 12 by trampie |
The population in Wales is old, I've given you the figures told you where to look yet you won't accept it, the English are coming here in numbers and they tend to be old, we are currently part of the UK state and central Government need to pay for it as it costs a lot to look after old people particularly in more rural areas. [Post edited 12 May 2021 11:04]
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Wales over 65 % is only just higher than the UK. The % of 15 and under in Wales is much lower. As it cosy a considerable amount to educate children Wales saves in this area probably balances our the extra cost of the over 65s.
NOT SURE WHAT THIS HAS GOT TO DO WITH A UK THREAD THOUGH PLEASE FEEL TO START YOUR OWN THREAD | |
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| A free UK on 16:09 - May 12 with 1660 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 15:53 - May 12 by felixstowe_jack |
Wales over 65 % is only just higher than the UK. The % of 15 and under in Wales is much lower. As it cosy a considerable amount to educate children Wales saves in this area probably balances our the extra cost of the over 65s.
NOT SURE WHAT THIS HAS GOT TO DO WITH A UK THREAD THOUGH PLEASE FEEL TO START YOUR OWN THREAD |
England has more people between 0-15 years of age than they have people aged 65+, with Wales it's hugely the other way around, the situation is compounded by older English people coming here to retire. | |
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| A free UK on 17:24 - May 12 with 1644 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 12:54 - May 12 by trampie |
You misunderstand, they are not talking about funding in this instance, they estimate (or somebody else estimates actually) that if our population distribution was the same as the UK average then our total expenditure would reduce by over 1 billion and our tax revenue would increase by £500 million.
We have lots of old people that don't work because they are retired and we have lots of migrants and many happen to come from England that are also old, it's a great strain on our health service and welfare system, we don't get enough from the Barnett system, even the guy that divised it apparently says its not fit for purpose, don't know about the other UK countries but it's recognised that Wales is short changed and doesn't get as much as it should from Barnett. |
The Barnett formula takes into account demographics doesn't it? It's not just about the size of population, it reflects the changes in public spending allocated to public services, therefore if we had fewer older people needing healthcare spending the amount of funding from Wetsminster would change.
On your previous post, 50-60 year olds aren't retiring here en masse are they? Surely they need to work and pay taxes? If they don't need to work they are maybe bringing wealth with them which is (at least partly) spent in Wales.
Even so, young people are leaving Wales because there is a lack of opportunity and that is a Senedd problem. It still leads back to Wales needing to do more on infrastructure and job creation for younger people. As young people leave the proportion of older people is obviously going to increase and with inward migration it has increased more quickly.
The guy that devised the formula said it was only meant to be a stop gap thing and was never intended for long term use, as such is not fit for purpose. Wales gets what the formula says which isn't underfunding, it's just the formula is outdated and not fit. This is something else all the devolved governments need to work on. Even so, Wales gets more money per head than every English region besides London.
The more you look at the system, the more you see the flaws and inadequacies. If Bojo is serious about levelling up he needs to find a replacement for Barnett but maybe we need to be careful what we wish for, what if a new system gave us less money? | |
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| A free UK on 17:32 - May 12 with 1629 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 17:24 - May 12 by Catullus |
The Barnett formula takes into account demographics doesn't it? It's not just about the size of population, it reflects the changes in public spending allocated to public services, therefore if we had fewer older people needing healthcare spending the amount of funding from Wetsminster would change.
On your previous post, 50-60 year olds aren't retiring here en masse are they? Surely they need to work and pay taxes? If they don't need to work they are maybe bringing wealth with them which is (at least partly) spent in Wales.
Even so, young people are leaving Wales because there is a lack of opportunity and that is a Senedd problem. It still leads back to Wales needing to do more on infrastructure and job creation for younger people. As young people leave the proportion of older people is obviously going to increase and with inward migration it has increased more quickly.
The guy that devised the formula said it was only meant to be a stop gap thing and was never intended for long term use, as such is not fit for purpose. Wales gets what the formula says which isn't underfunding, it's just the formula is outdated and not fit. This is something else all the devolved governments need to work on. Even so, Wales gets more money per head than every English region besides London.
The more you look at the system, the more you see the flaws and inadequacies. If Bojo is serious about levelling up he needs to find a replacement for Barnett but maybe we need to be careful what we wish for, what if a new system gave us less money? |
People in their 50-60s that come here in the vast majority of cases don't come here looking for work, they come here to retire and if they are one of these working from home types they will be retiring soon, within ex amount of years, not that many years probably they will be using the Welsh NHS and our welfare services. | |
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| A free UK on 17:37 - May 12 with 1628 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 17:32 - May 12 by trampie |
People in their 50-60s that come here in the vast majority of cases don't come here looking for work, they come here to retire and if they are one of these working from home types they will be retiring soon, within ex amount of years, not that many years probably they will be using the Welsh NHS and our welfare services. |
Yes I know but will you accept they will be spending money in our economy?
Will you also accept young people use English NHS resources too, maternity etc?
Saying Westminster should pay is not reasonable, a Welsh resident is aWelsh resident, regardles of age. | |
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| A free UK on 17:52 - May 12 with 1615 views | Gwyn737 |
| A free UK on 16:09 - May 12 by trampie |
England has more people between 0-15 years of age than they have people aged 65+, with Wales it's hugely the other way around, the situation is compounded by older English people coming here to retire. |
I moved to England at 22. My intention is to come back to Wales to retire at 60 (with a bit of luck).
That would give 38 years paying tax that has been disproportionately (but relatively fairly imo) sent to Wales through the Barnett formula.
I reckon I’ll have earned my healthcare. | | | |
| A free UK on 18:11 - May 12 with 1612 views | Lohengrin |
| A free UK on 17:52 - May 12 by Gwyn737 |
I moved to England at 22. My intention is to come back to Wales to retire at 60 (with a bit of luck).
That would give 38 years paying tax that has been disproportionately (but relatively fairly imo) sent to Wales through the Barnett formula.
I reckon I’ll have earned my healthcare. |
He’s not having it, Gwyn. You’ll have to get your name down for the Vets...  |  |
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| A free UK on 19:07 - May 12 with 1584 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 17:52 - May 12 by Gwyn737 |
I moved to England at 22. My intention is to come back to Wales to retire at 60 (with a bit of luck).
That would give 38 years paying tax that has been disproportionately (but relatively fairly imo) sent to Wales through the Barnett formula.
I reckon I’ll have earned my healthcare. |
The Barnett formula is widely thought to be not fair to Wales Gwyn there is not enough coin coming our way to look after all this white flight migration. | |
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| A free UK on 19:25 - May 12 with 1571 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 17:37 - May 12 by Catullus |
Yes I know but will you accept they will be spending money in our economy?
Will you also accept young people use English NHS resources too, maternity etc?
Saying Westminster should pay is not reasonable, a Welsh resident is aWelsh resident, regardles of age. |
They should spend money in our economy, they should spend more money in our economy it's a union state and a properly functioning union state sends more money to parts of its state that need it more than parts that don't.
Wales pay the English NHS, the other way round the costs are huge because of our rural area and old people even after treatment they are still old people and it will only be a matter of time before they are I'll again with something else, we don't get enough coin from Westminster just crumbs off the table.
We are part of the UK and it's up to central Government to ensure every area has enough coin to function to adequate standards. | |
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| A free UK on 19:45 - May 12 with 1560 views | onehunglow |
| A free UK on 17:52 - May 12 by Gwyn737 |
I moved to England at 22. My intention is to come back to Wales to retire at 60 (with a bit of luck).
That would give 38 years paying tax that has been disproportionately (but relatively fairly imo) sent to Wales through the Barnett formula.
I reckon I’ll have earned my healthcare. |
I used to think about I d retire to Gower but life evolves and I would never leave the area I reside as if you love what you have ,you have all your need. | |
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| A free UK on 08:06 - May 15 with 1468 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| A free UK on 07:41 - May 11 by ShiningPorth |
Clearly people considered below those from Swansea. |
He hates Swansea anyway, so don’t take it out on us! |  |
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| A free UK on 09:03 - May 15 with 1435 views | felixstowe_jack |
| A free UK on 19:07 - May 12 by trampie |
The Barnett formula is widely thought to be not fair to Wales Gwyn there is not enough coin coming our way to look after all this white flight migration. |
Most people in the UK think the barnett formula is over generous to Wales and Scotland. | |
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| A free UK on 09:12 - May 15 with 1428 views | felixstowe_jack |
Good to see barnier has changed his mind about freedom of movement. He previously supported mass immigration into the EU.
Now he wants to ban non EU migration to France for 5 years because it is out of control and allows terrorist in.
Could his change of mind have anything to do with him running for Macron's job next year and he the French are furious about mass migration.
There you have it Barnier is a hypocrite who is unprincipled and does not care about the EU dream. Even the French don't deserve him as their President. | |
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| A free UK on 09:28 - May 15 with 1412 views | majorraglan |
| A free UK on 09:12 - May 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Good to see barnier has changed his mind about freedom of movement. He previously supported mass immigration into the EU.
Now he wants to ban non EU migration to France for 5 years because it is out of control and allows terrorist in.
Could his change of mind have anything to do with him running for Macron's job next year and he the French are furious about mass migration.
There you have it Barnier is a hypocrite who is unprincipled and does not care about the EU dream. Even the French don't deserve him as their President. |
Nothing he said impacts on freedom of movement between EU States by EU citizens and I can’t see much in the media to say he “does not care” the EU dream. He’s not changed his mind about freedom of movement within the EU, he’s advocating France introduces the ban on external immigration.
There’s no doubt he wants the top job in France, he’s another member of the self serving elite establishment. | | | |
| A free UK on 13:00 - May 15 with 1369 views | onehunglow |
| A free UK on 08:06 - May 15 by Brynmill_Jack |
He hates Swansea anyway, so don’t take it out on us! |
Nobody should live anywhere just because they were born there.
Hate is just another pitiful term used for fark knows why.
If you live in heaven Steve,then don’t worry about the rest of us ,,son.
Floreat Swansea | |
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| A free UK on 07:47 - May 16 with 1317 views | felixstowe_jack |
| A free UK on 09:28 - May 15 by majorraglan |
Nothing he said impacts on freedom of movement between EU States by EU citizens and I can’t see much in the media to say he “does not care” the EU dream. He’s not changed his mind about freedom of movement within the EU, he’s advocating France introduces the ban on external immigration.
There’s no doubt he wants the top job in France, he’s another member of the self serving elite establishment. |
Another reason it is good news we left the undemocratic EU. He was all for the refugees and economic migrants who poured into Greece from Turkey and Italy from Africa being able to move freely in the EU. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 08:19 - May 16 with 1312 views | felixstowe_jack |
| A free UK on 09:28 - May 15 by majorraglan |
Nothing he said impacts on freedom of movement between EU States by EU citizens and I can’t see much in the media to say he “does not care” the EU dream. He’s not changed his mind about freedom of movement within the EU, he’s advocating France introduces the ban on external immigration.
There’s no doubt he wants the top job in France, he’s another member of the self serving elite establishment. |
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| A free UK on 08:03 - May 18 with 1200 views | felixstowe_jack |
More good news unemployed in UK fell from 4.9 to 4.8 April will fall even more in May as the restrictions are lifted. | |
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