| Rowan Vine 17:27 - Nov 16 with 6775 views | Kodika |
Very interesting interview by Rowan Vine on the latest Second Tier Podcast which was uploaded yesterday (Sunday). He goes into great detail about his time at QPR, and in particular about the circumstances surrounding his injury in 2008 during an open training session. He alleges his injury was deliberately caused by our third choice goalkeeper at the time, the American Matt Pickens. He goes into great detail above how he was ostracised by the Club after he sued them for damages. The case was settled out of court, but he is very critical of certain unnamed persons at Rangers, (although he does name Neil Warnock, who he says treated him very badly.)
I know lots of supporters have little time for Vine, but I would ask you to listen to the podcast before criticising him. Personally, he did not come across as someone I warm to but it was interesting to hear what he had to say. |  | | |  |
| Rowan Vine on 17:46 - Nov 16 with 6721 views | Northernr |
Haven't listened yet, but definitely will. Really liked Vine before his injury, thought he was always superb against us and then great when he first joined.
On the injury the story I heard at the time was that he could be a bit gobby, shall we say, and had been giving it the big 'un in this training session, to the point that Pickens went to snap him, and did. There was then all sorts of stuff afterwards about him being taken to hospital on the back seat of a car and things like that. I'll give it a go on my runs this week. |  | | |
| Rowan Vine on 17:56 - Nov 16 with 6690 views | Kodika |
| Rowan Vine on 17:46 - Nov 16 by Northernr |
Haven't listened yet, but definitely will. Really liked Vine before his injury, thought he was always superb against us and then great when he first joined.
On the injury the story I heard at the time was that he could be a bit gobby, shall we say, and had been giving it the big 'un in this training session, to the point that Pickens went to snap him, and did. There was then all sorts of stuff afterwards about him being taken to hospital on the back seat of a car and things like that. I'll give it a go on my runs this week. |
It is certainly an interesting listen Clive. He goes into detail about everything you refer to in your post. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 18:17 - Nov 16 with 6647 views | rsonist |
| Rowan Vine on 17:46 - Nov 16 by Northernr |
Haven't listened yet, but definitely will. Really liked Vine before his injury, thought he was always superb against us and then great when he first joined.
On the injury the story I heard at the time was that he could be a bit gobby, shall we say, and had been giving it the big 'un in this training session, to the point that Pickens went to snap him, and did. There was then all sorts of stuff afterwards about him being taken to hospital on the back seat of a car and things like that. I'll give it a go on my runs this week. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/25147354
"@aslrowanvine Did I read that right” |  | | |
| Rowan Vine on 18:30 - Nov 16 with 6605 views | Kodika |
One thing he says in the podcast I found very disturbing. He says that one day he was leaving a game with his six year old son when one of a group of men who were drinking outside the Springbok threw a beer glass which hit a wall about two yards from him and his child. Whoever was responsible for that act cannot be called a supporter of our club. Unfortunately all teams have such nutters. To be fair to Rowan, despite his unhappy time at QPR, he says he holds no amnosity to the Club or the supporters, and describes “QPR as a Club which he holds close to his heart.” | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 18:37 - Nov 16 with 6588 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Rowan Vine on 18:30 - Nov 16 by Kodika |
One thing he says in the podcast I found very disturbing. He says that one day he was leaving a game with his six year old son when one of a group of men who were drinking outside the Springbok threw a beer glass which hit a wall about two yards from him and his child. Whoever was responsible for that act cannot be called a supporter of our club. Unfortunately all teams have such nutters. To be fair to Rowan, despite his unhappy time at QPR, he says he holds no amnosity to the Club or the supporters, and describes “QPR as a Club which he holds close to his heart.” |
Speaking of Vine and the Springbok, I saw him scull a full pint in about 5 seconds outside there once.
As a player I liked him. Thought he fitted in well with the Lee Cook kind of generation just before Warnock came in. I have no idea why fans would be hostile to him. [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 18:45]
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| Rowan Vine on 19:09 - Nov 16 with 6487 views | Kodika |
| Rowan Vine on 18:37 - Nov 16 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Speaking of Vine and the Springbok, I saw him scull a full pint in about 5 seconds outside there once.
As a player I liked him. Thought he fitted in well with the Lee Cook kind of generation just before Warnock came in. I have no idea why fans would be hostile to him. [Post edited 16 Nov 2020 18:45]
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He mentions that after his injury he suffered from depression and started drinking heavily. He said some of his teammates made fun of him and called him an alcoholic, and that he received no support for his problem from the Club. I like to think that things have moved on from those days and that players are now looked after much better. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 20:12 - Nov 16 with 6352 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Rowan Vine on 19:09 - Nov 16 by Kodika |
He mentions that after his injury he suffered from depression and started drinking heavily. He said some of his teammates made fun of him and called him an alcoholic, and that he received no support for his problem from the Club. I like to think that things have moved on from those days and that players are now looked after much better. |
Interesting. You haven’t got a link to the Podcast have you? | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 20:14 - Nov 16 with 6343 views | NoDiddley |
Every week (when we were attending) I’d walk away from the ground up to the Uxbridge Road & there’s a Greek Restaurant called Vine Leaves..made me think off him🤔 |  | | |
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| Rowan Vine on 20:19 - Nov 16 with 6332 views | Superhoop83 |
| Rowan Vine on 20:12 - Nov 16 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Interesting. You haven’t got a link to the Podcast have you? |
It's on Spotify if that helps? |  |
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| Rowan Vine on 20:31 - Nov 16 with 6300 views | Kodika |
| Rowan Vine on 20:12 - Nov 16 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Interesting. You haven’t got a link to the Podcast have you? |
It is also on Apple podcasts. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 02:30 - Nov 17 with 5933 views | timcocking |
I remember Rowan Vine making a comment something like 'the reason i'm so slow is because my pockets are weighed down by all that QPR money they're paying me', which struck me as being worth a fcuking smack in my book. |  | | |
| Rowan Vine on 07:56 - Nov 17 with 5816 views | Northernr |
Certainly an eye opener. Be interested to hear the other side of one or two of those stories but I had heard around the injury he was treated appallingly. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 08:02 - Nov 17 with 5803 views | distortR |
| Rowan Vine on 02:30 - Nov 17 by timcocking |
I remember Rowan Vine making a comment something like 'the reason i'm so slow is because my pockets are weighed down by all that QPR money they're paying me', which struck me as being worth a fcuking smack in my book. |
as a gardener, i can't get past his nonsensical name | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 12:26 - Nov 17 with 5626 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Just caught up with this. As Norf says would be interesting to hear the other side.
Was we hostile as fans? Not something I ever picked up on. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 12:37 - Nov 17 with 5610 views | Northernr |
| Rowan Vine on 12:26 - Nov 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Just caught up with this. As Norf says would be interesting to hear the other side.
Was we hostile as fans? Not something I ever picked up on. |
Whether it was true or not, and whether it was just in response to abuse he was getting or not, there were many stories doing the rounds about him and money - telling people he couldn't run any more because his pockets were full of all the money QPR were paying him, lighting cigars with £50 notes in casinos and sht like this. People took against him because of those stories, I'd like to ask him how much truth there was in any of it and see what he said.
There was also a perception that he was just picking up his money, refusing to settle the contract, and not trying to get fit - had loans at Brentford and Southend in the divisions below I think where they sent him back early saying he wasn't even in physical condition to train with them. There was perception at the time was it was 'typical modern footballer' picking up £17k a week from us and offering fck all in return, not even in condition to get a training match at Southend etc etc. Obviously it suited the club for that to be out there as they wanted him out, shift the wage, and he'd tell you it probably had more to do with the goalkeeper smashing his legs to bits and then the treatment being botched.
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| Rowan Vine on 13:01 - Nov 17 with 5542 views | slmrstid |
I do wonder whether saying stuff like "its all the money weighing me down..." etc etc is actually a bit of a defence mechanism for someone when they're getting a lot of aggro, they can't do what they've always trained/aspired to do, and are in a bad place with getting into the casinos etc.
Not really criticising it, very hard to know how you'd be in a similar situation. |  | | |
| Rowan Vine on 13:15 - Nov 17 with 5504 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Rowan Vine on 12:37 - Nov 17 by Northernr |
Whether it was true or not, and whether it was just in response to abuse he was getting or not, there were many stories doing the rounds about him and money - telling people he couldn't run any more because his pockets were full of all the money QPR were paying him, lighting cigars with £50 notes in casinos and sht like this. People took against him because of those stories, I'd like to ask him how much truth there was in any of it and see what he said.
There was also a perception that he was just picking up his money, refusing to settle the contract, and not trying to get fit - had loans at Brentford and Southend in the divisions below I think where they sent him back early saying he wasn't even in physical condition to train with them. There was perception at the time was it was 'typical modern footballer' picking up £17k a week from us and offering fck all in return, not even in condition to get a training match at Southend etc etc. Obviously it suited the club for that to be out there as they wanted him out, shift the wage, and he'd tell you it probably had more to do with the goalkeeper smashing his legs to bits and then the treatment being botched.
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If true he wouldn’t be the first or last cocky big mouth to play for us. He looks like a Warnock player to me so surprised they don’t get on.
I don’t know why it sticks in my mind, but I remember watching him play for us v Wolves at Molyneux when they won the league or promotion (can’t remember which) where he looked the best player in a out of form team. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 13:16]
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| Rowan Vine on 13:31 - Nov 17 with 5468 views | Northernr |
| Rowan Vine on 13:15 - Nov 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
If true he wouldn’t be the first or last cocky big mouth to play for us. He looks like a Warnock player to me so surprised they don’t get on.
I don’t know why it sticks in my mind, but I remember watching him play for us v Wolves at Molyneux when they won the league or promotion (can’t remember which) where he looked the best player in a out of form team. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 13:16]
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Well I think by the time Warnock came along he was done, injury wise. In fact looking it up apart from 28 games for St Johnstone in 2012 he basically never played regularly again, so Warnock is probably looking at £17k a week tied up in somebody who isn't contribute and wants him out so he can spend that elsewhere.
The thing that comes across on Under The Cosh all the time is the weird, infantile, childish way clubs, managers and players behave when a player is no longer wanted at a club. Nobody ever actually seems to have a grown up conversation, they just engage in all sorts of gameplaying to make each others lives as miserable as possible until either the player cracks and leaves without getting all his money, or the club crack and pays them up.
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| Rowan Vine on 13:35 - Nov 17 with 5451 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Rowan Vine on 13:31 - Nov 17 by Northernr |
Well I think by the time Warnock came along he was done, injury wise. In fact looking it up apart from 28 games for St Johnstone in 2012 he basically never played regularly again, so Warnock is probably looking at £17k a week tied up in somebody who isn't contribute and wants him out so he can spend that elsewhere.
The thing that comes across on Under The Cosh all the time is the weird, infantile, childish way clubs, managers and players behave when a player is no longer wanted at a club. Nobody ever actually seems to have a grown up conversation, they just engage in all sorts of gameplaying to make each others lives as miserable as possible until either the player cracks and leaves without getting all his money, or the club crack and pays them up.
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Especially in the hyper macho world of football where stubbornness and not losing face are a cultural norm. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 13:38 - Nov 17 with 5437 views | Northernr |
| Rowan Vine on 13:35 - Nov 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Especially in the hyper macho world of football where stubbornness and not losing face are a cultural norm. |
So strange. The amount of times on that podcast you hear a player say "if they'd just come and talked to my like a grown up, said look we don't fancy you, or you're not going to play, we think it would be better for all concerned if you found another club, then I'd have been fine with that and done it, but they were fcking twts with me, making me train with the kids, taking my parking space and stuff like that, so I thought fck you I'll stay here and get every penny".
It's basically once an episode. When I'm out running and listening I'm always thinking 'here we go with the forced out of the club routine again...' | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 13:47 - Nov 17 with 5409 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Rowan Vine on 13:38 - Nov 17 by Northernr |
So strange. The amount of times on that podcast you hear a player say "if they'd just come and talked to my like a grown up, said look we don't fancy you, or you're not going to play, we think it would be better for all concerned if you found another club, then I'd have been fine with that and done it, but they were fcking twts with me, making me train with the kids, taking my parking space and stuff like that, so I thought fck you I'll stay here and get every penny".
It's basically once an episode. When I'm out running and listening I'm always thinking 'here we go with the forced out of the club routine again...' |
Yeah always seems unnecessary to me too.
It feels like we as a club have got better at it recently and wether supporters agree with it or not, the current policy at QPR of no talks no play is very clear and up front at least. Everyone knows where they stand. | | | |
| Rowan Vine on 13:49 - Nov 17 with 5401 views | LazyFan |
| Rowan Vine on 13:38 - Nov 17 by Northernr |
So strange. The amount of times on that podcast you hear a player say "if they'd just come and talked to my like a grown up, said look we don't fancy you, or you're not going to play, we think it would be better for all concerned if you found another club, then I'd have been fine with that and done it, but they were fcking twts with me, making me train with the kids, taking my parking space and stuff like that, so I thought fck you I'll stay here and get every penny".
It's basically once an episode. When I'm out running and listening I'm always thinking 'here we go with the forced out of the club routine again...' |
Totally a guess, but what I suspect happens is the player totally lets the manager down and at that point, managers are so overworked as if you wanna win you have to do it 24/7 that they prioritise and literally drop any interaction with the player.
Why invest and coach a player you know is going to be out no matter what (for whatever the reason is)? So, I suspect as a totally guess this is how it starts off on being forced out.
What they should do is be transparent and tell em they are not in their plans and they need to invest time in others and even though that really unhelpful, its the truth and the harsh realities of the business game. With some recommendations of what the player should do in this bad situation for them.
The player may hate em, high risk if they start being a Barton, but in the long run, the respect will be there. |  |
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| Rowan Vine on 17:10 - Nov 21 with 4761 views | dannyblue |
Vine was very easy to listen to, but the interviewers don't probe at all. From this account, which tbh doesn't have the ring of falsehood, it's not very impressive from the club. I suspect both things are true: he was treated badly and was depressed about the shÃtty situation that wasn't his fault, and he acted big bollox about all the cash he was trousering... |  | | |
| Rowan Vine on 17:17 - Nov 21 with 4744 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Rowan Vine on 13:38 - Nov 17 by Northernr |
So strange. The amount of times on that podcast you hear a player say "if they'd just come and talked to my like a grown up, said look we don't fancy you, or you're not going to play, we think it would be better for all concerned if you found another club, then I'd have been fine with that and done it, but they were fcking twts with me, making me train with the kids, taking my parking space and stuff like that, so I thought fck you I'll stay here and get every penny".
It's basically once an episode. When I'm out running and listening I'm always thinking 'here we go with the forced out of the club routine again...' |
To be fair, players can be just as bad. What Lee McCulloch did at Wigan was horrendous because he wanted to go to Rangers so much. All sort of bullsh!t.
It's rarely all one way.
Players always, always, always, hate managers who don't pick them, and love managers who do. It's rarely more complex than that. |  |
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| Rowan Vine on 18:57 - Nov 21 with 4653 views | Northernr |
| Rowan Vine on 17:17 - Nov 21 by Antti_Heinola |
To be fair, players can be just as bad. What Lee McCulloch did at Wigan was horrendous because he wanted to go to Rangers so much. All sort of bullsh!t.
It's rarely all one way.
Players always, always, always, hate managers who don't pick them, and love managers who do. It's rarely more complex than that. |
Ephraim was very good on that on our podcast earlier this season. | | | |
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