| Statement from the Chairman on 17:33 - Jun 22 with 3493 views | 442Dale |
Worth reiterating that if the initial news had contained comments from the manager about the changes to his playing squad, some of this could have been avoided. Would still be good to hear from him now on what the next steps are for himself/ building a squad, and not just on Henderson whose release along with other players actually makes some sense in the current climate.
It’s certainly a case where lessons can be learnt, as again the most important thing is the club. |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 17:47 - Jun 22 with 3407 views | SaxonDale |
Good statement from the club and I'm with Funkk in believing the truth is probably mixed between both statements. Regardless of what happened, work now needs to be done to get everyone back on side. Fans AND players (the majority have showed support to Hendo on social media in one way or another). This is a good first step but I'm not sure if we've heard the last of it unfortunately- Good management needed on all levels. |  | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 17:49 - Jun 22 with 3400 views | SuddenLad |
A significant and timely statement from the Chairman which clarifies many of the previously grey areas. At least we now know more than we did before and the story is out.
No idea what Hendo was thinking by publishing his 'version of events' but it has only served to leave an unnecessary stain.
He will have his reasons, no doubt, whatever they may be. Perhaps a personal issue. Clearly relations had been strained for some time. It's very sad that his lengthy stay ended in acrimony, but regardless of all that, he will be a legend here for a generation. He earned that title and deserves it.
Well done on finding the Chairman as well.  |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 17:58 - Jun 22 with 3342 views | Nigeriamark |
| Statement from the Chairman on 17:23 - Jun 22 by kel |
Yep. It’s embarrassing how grown men (assumption on my part) think it’s acceptable. Knuckle dragging halfwits is me describing them politely. |
I don't think the majority of us should get upset over the actions of the knuckle draggers. One downside of social media & the internet is that these idiots & keyboard warriors have far more visibility than before. Every club has them & hopefully it's a tiny number |  | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 18:52 - Jun 22 with 3120 views | boromat |
Glad the statements come out and it settles things back down again by giving the other perspective.
I'm sure the whole truth is somewhere in between and with the supposed 2 agents involved maybe it was like Chinese whispers at times. |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 18:54 - Jun 22 with 3097 views | 56years |
| Statement from the Chairman on 16:20 - Jun 22 by judd |
Cracking statement.
Well done the club. |
We agree - a first - indeed agree wholeheartedly! | | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 20:22 - Jun 22 with 2856 views | pioneer |
Still a number of inconsistencies in the two sides of the story.
Hendo says the offer was withdrawn. Normally an offer of employment has a specified date by which time it must be accepted (in writing) or it lapses. There is no ‘withdrawl’ necessary. So did the club take a time limited contract offer off the table or did the offer lapse?
Irrespective of whether Hendo requested communication via e mail, any self respecting organisation would accompany such communication with a physical communication (letter) to cover its rear end. So in this case a couriered letter followed up be an e mail would seem to be more appropriate.
Anyway, even if the clubs version of events (and it is incomplete), is true we should all thank Ian for discovering a way of getting the chairman to engage with the fans (though I suspect the post on the club website was written not by him but by you know who). | | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 20:44 - Jun 22 with 2761 views | 1907 |
| Statement from the Chairman on 20:22 - Jun 22 by pioneer |
Still a number of inconsistencies in the two sides of the story.
Hendo says the offer was withdrawn. Normally an offer of employment has a specified date by which time it must be accepted (in writing) or it lapses. There is no ‘withdrawl’ necessary. So did the club take a time limited contract offer off the table or did the offer lapse?
Irrespective of whether Hendo requested communication via e mail, any self respecting organisation would accompany such communication with a physical communication (letter) to cover its rear end. So in this case a couriered letter followed up be an e mail would seem to be more appropriate.
Anyway, even if the clubs version of events (and it is incomplete), is true we should all thank Ian for discovering a way of getting the chairman to engage with the fans (though I suspect the post on the club website was written not by him but by you know who). |
The statement does say that BBM rang him though? | | | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 20:45 - Jun 22 with 2755 views | KenBoon |
The absolute state of our club. This sort of shit would happen at the former Bury FC or Oldham. One of our greatest players leaves and there’s public bickering. Where is BBM in this? I assumed the decision was made to furlough him (a stupid decision) which left this utter mess because apparently nobody is competent enough to rely decisions. An absolute embarrassment. |  | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:02 - Jun 22 with 2674 views | D_Alien |
| Statement from the Chairman on 20:45 - Jun 22 by KenBoon |
The absolute state of our club. This sort of shit would happen at the former Bury FC or Oldham. One of our greatest players leaves and there’s public bickering. Where is BBM in this? I assumed the decision was made to furlough him (a stupid decision) which left this utter mess because apparently nobody is competent enough to rely decisions. An absolute embarrassment. |
It would appear "this sort of shit" occurred pretty much because one of our greatest players couldn't abide being left without a contract entirely due to his reluctance to sign one when the offer was on the table |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:04 - Jun 22 with 2666 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Statement from the Chairman on 20:45 - Jun 22 by KenBoon |
The absolute state of our club. This sort of shit would happen at the former Bury FC or Oldham. One of our greatest players leaves and there’s public bickering. Where is BBM in this? I assumed the decision was made to furlough him (a stupid decision) which left this utter mess because apparently nobody is competent enough to rely decisions. An absolute embarrassment. |
You could argue that one person is responsible for this shitstorm, the one who took to social media in an ill advised rant.
Regardless it does not look good, but the clubs response is well worded and thought out, not a knee jerk angry response. |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:12 - Jun 22 with 2626 views | ChaffRAFC |
Chairman states, specifically that 19th October was went the talks collapsed and Hendo wanted to explore other options.
19th October was a Saturday.
We played Keith Hill's Bolton Wanderers at the BBC Radio Manchester Stadium. |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:22 - Jun 22 with 2578 views | Thacks_Rabbits |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:12 - Jun 22 by ChaffRAFC |
Chairman states, specifically that 19th October was went the talks collapsed and Hendo wanted to explore other options.
19th October was a Saturday.
We played Keith Hill's Bolton Wanderers at the BBC Radio Manchester Stadium. |
Great spot chaff!!! | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:24 - Jun 22 with 2570 views | TalkingSutty |
| Statement from the Chairman on 16:38 - Jun 22 by blackdogblue |
Forgot to add..,
When he says fans comments, does he mean our Forum or Twitter?
For those of you who don’t tweet, looking at the replies on the club one, they are pretty much 50/50 & only a few asking for answers including mine 😀 |
This forum is pretty irrelevant anyway, as much as some think it isn’t...if we can scrape together maybe 30 regular posters ( at a push), it equates to about 1% of the fan base. It’s a bunch of the same old people ,myself included, going around in circles...similar to a lunatic asylum really. The 99% who don’t post are the lucky ones. |  | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:32 - Jun 22 with 2522 views | 442Dale |
This forum, despite its issues which anyone who can see things from both sides of a coin will admit, has proven time and again to be a very valuable resource for individual supporters, the fanbase at large and the club itself.
As individual supporters, a fanbase and a club we should all be big enough to admit it and look to be better when things aren’t great. | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:36 - Jun 22 with 2489 views | KenBoon |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:02 - Jun 22 by D_Alien |
It would appear "this sort of shit" occurred pretty much because one of our greatest players couldn't abide being left without a contract entirely due to his reluctance to sign one when the offer was on the table |
It’s more than this one mess. We’re constantly going from botch to botch. It’s embarrassing. Like I said, this kind of nonsense is more Bury or Oldham. | | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:40 - Jun 22 with 2461 views | judd |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:12 - Jun 22 by ChaffRAFC |
Chairman states, specifically that 19th October was went the talks collapsed and Hendo wanted to explore other options.
19th October was a Saturday.
We played Keith Hill's Bolton Wanderers at the BBC Radio Manchester Stadium. |
If ever a line has been fed so fookin tenuous and full of spin this was it.
Hilly didn't have the phone number/ email address of his " best ever signing" ? |  |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:42 - Jun 22 with 2453 views | D_Alien |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:32 - Jun 22 by 442Dale |
This forum, despite its issues which anyone who can see things from both sides of a coin will admit, has proven time and again to be a very valuable resource for individual supporters, the fanbase at large and the club itself.
As individual supporters, a fanbase and a club we should all be big enough to admit it and look to be better when things aren’t great. |
And that's just in terms of what's happening at Dale
During lockdown, and despite the odd overheated post as the impact of the virus turned the world upside down, there was a real groundswell of empathy on here which even if just a few who found themselves otherwise isolated found some comfort from, was a great advert for who we are | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:43 - Jun 22 with 2438 views | TalkingSutty |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:32 - Jun 22 by 442Dale |
This forum, despite its issues which anyone who can see things from both sides of a coin will admit, has proven time and again to be a very valuable resource for individual supporters, the fanbase at large and the club itself.
As individual supporters, a fanbase and a club we should all be big enough to admit it and look to be better when things aren’t great. |
Some truth in that, but it still doesn’t get away from the fact that probably only 1% of the fanbase choose to comment on it, it’s not representative of the fanbase, especially the younger supporters. A lot of those comment on other social platforms and are generally derided for it, it doesn’t mean their opinions are less worthy than those on the fans forum. | | | |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:45 - Jun 22 with 2421 views | 442Dale |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:42 - Jun 22 by D_Alien |
And that's just in terms of what's happening at Dale
During lockdown, and despite the odd overheated post as the impact of the virus turned the world upside down, there was a real groundswell of empathy on here which even if just a few who found themselves otherwise isolated found some comfort from, was a great advert for who we are |
Indeed. Plus it almost got me interested in politics for ten minutes before realising that the Greens away kit contained no green trim whatsoever. | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:45 - Jun 22 with 2417 views | D_Alien |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:36 - Jun 22 by KenBoon |
It’s more than this one mess. We’re constantly going from botch to botch. It’s embarrassing. Like I said, this kind of nonsense is more Bury or Oldham. |
Weren't you embarrassed about whingeing about having to watch football on tv in an empty stadium?
In the midst of hundreds dying every day, at the time?
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| Statement from the Chairman on 21:51 - Jun 22 with 2375 views | 442Dale |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:43 - Jun 22 by TalkingSutty |
Some truth in that, but it still doesn’t get away from the fact that probably only 1% of the fanbase choose to comment on it, it’s not representative of the fanbase, especially the younger supporters. A lot of those comment on other social platforms and are generally derided for it, it doesn’t mean their opinions are less worthy than those on the fans forum. |
Nobody is saying their opinions are less worthy or that those on here are more. Any opinion, whichever platform it appears on, when it’s balanced and well thought out is worth listening to and hopefully provide a good representation of all of us. | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 22:33 - Jun 22 with 2238 views | 100notout |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:24 - Jun 22 by TalkingSutty |
This forum is pretty irrelevant anyway, as much as some think it isn’t...if we can scrape together maybe 30 regular posters ( at a push), it equates to about 1% of the fan base. It’s a bunch of the same old people ,myself included, going around in circles...similar to a lunatic asylum really. The 99% who don’t post are the lucky ones. |
Disagree with that TS - the regular posters may represent just 1% of the fanbase but as recent events the directors and staff read this message board and react accordingly - they acknowledged this at the last fans forum and there have been many examples of threads started on here where there has been action taken by the club | |
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| Statement from the Chairman on 22:41 - Jun 22 with 2199 views | TalkingSutty |
| Statement from the Chairman on 21:51 - Jun 22 by 442Dale |
Nobody is saying their opinions are less worthy or that those on here are more. Any opinion, whichever platform it appears on, when it’s balanced and well thought out is worth listening to and hopefully provide a good representation of all of us. |
It’s a different mindset though, most of the older supporters just want to turn up on a Saturday and are grateful that we have a Club, I’ve spoke to fans who have actually said that we would be better in league two because we would win more games. The young fans are sick to death of that attitude, they want the Club to progress into the Championship but I think us lot actually hold them back, just because we had it sh*t doesn’t mean it’s always got to be that way.
Everything about the Club is doom and gloom, negativity, struggle....we’ve had a brilliant last decade and should now be talking about making history and trying to push on and aiming for promotion again but it’s not even on anybodies radar, it’s like we should expect to regress. The Club needs young blood in the boardroom and it needs the old fans like us lot to change our attitudes, we won’t though. The young fans take the p*ss out of this forum, they think it’s full of old fossils and they are spot on. What ambition do we have for the Club? ...I’m willing to bet the answer will be survival and a team to watch and that’s even before the virus kicked in. Hopefully the younger supporters have more ambition than that,and you can see that when you visit the various social platforms, this forum isn’t the oracle, we just think it is, [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 22:44]
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| Statement from the Chairman on 22:56 - Jun 22 with 2147 views | D_Alien |
| Statement from the Chairman on 22:41 - Jun 22 by TalkingSutty |
It’s a different mindset though, most of the older supporters just want to turn up on a Saturday and are grateful that we have a Club, I’ve spoke to fans who have actually said that we would be better in league two because we would win more games. The young fans are sick to death of that attitude, they want the Club to progress into the Championship but I think us lot actually hold them back, just because we had it sh*t doesn’t mean it’s always got to be that way.
Everything about the Club is doom and gloom, negativity, struggle....we’ve had a brilliant last decade and should now be talking about making history and trying to push on and aiming for promotion again but it’s not even on anybodies radar, it’s like we should expect to regress. The Club needs young blood in the boardroom and it needs the old fans like us lot to change our attitudes, we won’t though. The young fans take the p*ss out of this forum, they think it’s full of old fossils and they are spot on. What ambition do we have for the Club? ...I’m willing to bet the answer will be survival and a team to watch and that’s even before the virus kicked in. Hopefully the younger supporters have more ambition than that,and you can see that when you visit the various social platforms, this forum isn’t the oracle, we just think it is, [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 22:44]
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It's demonstrably an agent for raising issues that the club have had to address, which any amount of invective by younger fans on other platforms simply won't do
What you see as "taking the piss" is in reality an inability to engage with serious issues in a way that more experienced fans are able to do | |
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