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I think we can expect a ginger striker and a ginger keeper to come in next, to play behind and in front of Sam and Alfie. I think the beginning of that video was a subliminal message....Ginger spine!
I think we can expect a ginger striker and a ginger keeper to come in next, to play behind and in front of Sam and Alfie. I think the beginning of that video was a subliminal message....Ginger spine!
"They mostly play a 442 that morphs into 451 when in defence, with Griezmann dropping back into midfield, and switch to 433 when in attack. "
If they play 451 in defence and 433 in attack, how do they also manage to mostly play 442?
Buggering about in the middle?
When they are in the middle of the pitch, Lisa. Ya know, where "most" of the match actually takes place?
Quick breakdown:
- "in defence", i.e. the defending third, is the bit around your own goal. Griezmann joins the midfield line when Atletico drop back, which they do frequently (451).
- "in attack", i.e. the attacking third, is the bit around the other goal. A wide midfielder will join the forward line when Atletico push up, particularly on the counter (433).
- Between those areas, the middle third, they're "mostly" in their default formation, with Griezmann dropping deep more frequently last season to pick up the ball when they have possession. When he does that, a wide midfielder (typically Carrasco/Gaitan) will push up and join Torres/Gameiro upfront (442).
Hope that cleared it up for you. Check out Atletico sometime, genuinely. They have a phenomenal squad, Griezmann is one of the top players in the world, and Simeone is always entertaining.
When they are in the middle of the pitch, Lisa. Ya know, where "most" of the match actually takes place?
Quick breakdown:
- "in defence", i.e. the defending third, is the bit around your own goal. Griezmann joins the midfield line when Atletico drop back, which they do frequently (451).
- "in attack", i.e. the attacking third, is the bit around the other goal. A wide midfielder will join the forward line when Atletico push up, particularly on the counter (433).
- Between those areas, the middle third, they're "mostly" in their default formation, with Griezmann dropping deep more frequently last season to pick up the ball when they have possession. When he does that, a wide midfielder (typically Carrasco/Gaitan) will push up and join Torres/Gameiro upfront (442).
Hope that cleared it up for you. Check out Atletico sometime, genuinely. They have a phenomenal squad, Griezmann is one of the top players in the world, and Simeone is always entertaining.
- "Decent, steady player who will run tirelessly with a decent left foot. I'm happy with anything over £10m-£12m ." Â - "I'd describe him as a water carrier - keeps it massively simple, moves the game on, fills holes, rarely gives the ball away." Â - "I've got no axe to grind with Swansea and I'm sorry to say Clucas isn't what you need. From my - admittedly- limited knowledge of your first XI you need game changers and for all his plus points he isn't that. He's someone who does the messy stuff so a game changer can do his bit."
- "In all honesty Sam's on a hiding to nothing , look at who he is replacing ? Decent player but can see him going the same way snodgrass has at West Ham"
- So he's a typical 6/7 out of 10 player?
"Yes. You won't see him pinging 80 yard cross field balls, smashing them in from 25 yards or eye of the needle passes to split a defence or going on mazy runs taking on half the enemy team. Equally you won't see him leave his man unmarked, duck a challenge, fart about with the ball or give possession away cheaply.
A good engine for other more skilled players to thrive off."
- "A player like Clucas might have been worth £5m in 2012, but not now. Unlike a few on here, I think we've sold Maguire and Robertson on the cheap, and given how Livermore seems to be in England favour, Clucas could be heading the same way."
- "I don't think he's not worth anywhere near 12-15million. Did you go Tuesday night, he didn't get near neves all night who cost wolves 15 million. I don't blame the club for taking them money for him, so if I was in charge of the transfers I'd be driving him there"
- "I can't see where £15m for Sam comes from. He's a decent, steady player, but nothing particularly special. A bit of a jack of all trades work horse.
If he was 18, then maybe, but he's 27 next week."
- "I don't think you'd ever manage to recoup that fee, if I'm being honest. He's a very ordinary player, a bit of a jack of all trades. Effective in the centre and rarely has a bad game or make a bad mistake but just as rarely does he do anything special."
When they are in the middle of the pitch, Lisa. Ya know, where "most" of the match actually takes place?
Quick breakdown:
- "in defence", i.e. the defending third, is the bit around your own goal. Griezmann joins the midfield line when Atletico drop back, which they do frequently (451).
- "in attack", i.e. the attacking third, is the bit around the other goal. A wide midfielder will join the forward line when Atletico push up, particularly on the counter (433).
- Between those areas, the middle third, they're "mostly" in their default formation, with Griezmann dropping deep more frequently last season to pick up the ball when they have possession. When he does that, a wide midfielder (typically Carrasco/Gaitan) will push up and join Torres/Gameiro upfront (442).
Hope that cleared it up for you. Check out Atletico sometime, genuinely. They have a phenomenal squad, Griezmann is one of the top players in the world, and Simeone is always entertaining.
[Post edited 23 Aug 2017 22:05]
Mate, you really, really are embarrassing yourself mun.
Stop it, for your own sake.
* BOX OFFICE POST ABOVE* TM
I am the resurrection and i am the light. I couldn’t ever bring myself to hate you as i’d like
- "Decent, steady player who will run tirelessly with a decent left foot. I'm happy with anything over £10m-£12m ." Â - "I'd describe him as a water carrier - keeps it massively simple, moves the game on, fills holes, rarely gives the ball away." Â - "I've got no axe to grind with Swansea and I'm sorry to say Clucas isn't what you need. From my - admittedly- limited knowledge of your first XI you need game changers and for all his plus points he isn't that. He's someone who does the messy stuff so a game changer can do his bit."
- "In all honesty Sam's on a hiding to nothing , look at who he is replacing ? Decent player but can see him going the same way snodgrass has at West Ham"
- So he's a typical 6/7 out of 10 player?
"Yes. You won't see him pinging 80 yard cross field balls, smashing them in from 25 yards or eye of the needle passes to split a defence or going on mazy runs taking on half the enemy team. Equally you won't see him leave his man unmarked, duck a challenge, fart about with the ball or give possession away cheaply.
A good engine for other more skilled players to thrive off."
- "A player like Clucas might have been worth £5m in 2012, but not now. Unlike a few on here, I think we've sold Maguire and Robertson on the cheap, and given how Livermore seems to be in England favour, Clucas could be heading the same way."
- "I don't think he's not worth anywhere near 12-15million. Did you go Tuesday night, he didn't get near neves all night who cost wolves 15 million. I don't blame the club for taking them money for him, so if I was in charge of the transfers I'd be driving him there"
- "I can't see where £15m for Sam comes from. He's a decent, steady player, but nothing particularly special. A bit of a jack of all trades work horse.
If he was 18, then maybe, but he's 27 next week."
- "I don't think you'd ever manage to recoup that fee, if I'm being honest. He's a very ordinary player, a bit of a jack of all trades. Effective in the centre and rarely has a bad game or make a bad mistake but just as rarely does he do anything special."
So none of them dislike him, but none of them are sad to see him go? That's worrying.
[Post edited 23 Aug 2017 22:18]
Yeah it is a bit worrying, Glyn.
Football fans are a fickle bunch, but those are pretty balanced views. I also left out a few that weren't as flattering, but seemed unnecessarily harsh.
Nice guy, good story, and extremely motivated and down-to-earth. £16.5m is extremely high, but I trust Clement is involved in the transfers and sees something he can build on.
Only thing we can do is hope it works out now, he's a Swan. If he takes Fer/Ki's place in the XI and performs reasonably well, I'll be ecstatic. That's the expectation for me.
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