| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread 21:41 - Mar 20 with 155209 views | 442Dale |
We have 87 days for people to get their £50 deposits in to determine the price of the 2017/18 Season Tickets.
Average amount of daily sales required by 21st June to hit the targets:
2000 (£250): 23
2500 (£200): 29
3000 (£150): 35
4000 (£110): 46
Keeping a track of this really helped ramp up the interest when Hartlepool fans did it, so hopefully it'll have a similar effect. Debate the numbers here over the next week, then we can add the figures once sales commence. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 11:51 - Apr 1 with 2862 views | AtThePeake |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 10:10 - Apr 1 by nordenblue |
I sincerely hope it's a massive success and hats off to the powers that be for implementing it,I just feel like a lot of things coming out of the club,it's a brilliant idea just not executed as well as it could have been |
I have to agree. When the Hartlepool thing happened, it seemed to be everywhere and we all knew about it happening at the time. I was speaking to a couple of Bury fans I know last night who live in Heywood and they hadn't heard about the offer - and these are the kind of fans that are largely aware of what's happening in the lower leagues. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 12:04 - Apr 1 with 2819 views | dingdangblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 11:51 - Apr 1 by AtThePeake |
I have to agree. When the Hartlepool thing happened, it seemed to be everywhere and we all knew about it happening at the time. I was speaking to a couple of Bury fans I know last night who live in Heywood and they hadn't heard about the offer - and these are the kind of fans that are largely aware of what's happening in the lower leagues. |
To be fair it's only the 1st week - we've got 3 months for it to grow and build - that's why the targets are a good idea - as we get close to each one there should be a lot of publicity. |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:06 - Apr 1 with 2732 views | tony_roch975 |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 09:48 - Apr 1 by nordenblue |
A very good post tbf 442,though people make financial decisions based on their own position and personal risk to them not how it may benefit others.
I just think there would have been less risk and ultimately more attraction if the club instead said maybe the first 3/4k fans get the ST at £110 so don't miss out as once the targets hit the price increases in stages etc etc... |
I thought one of the great British values was coming together in solidarity to overcome threats and achieve great things. I think it'd be a better world if we all gave a little more for the benefit of all. That's why I put a deposit on a 2nd season ticket to give away. If all we current season ticket holders do that we'll sell 4,000 so we'll all benefit - better atmosphere for watching our team and we'll all save money. What's not to like! |  |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:17 - Apr 1 with 2706 views | tony_roch975 |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 11:36 - Apr 1 by D_Alien |
I have to agree with nb on this one. Appealing to fans altruism isn't going to work. The only reason the vast majority would put down £50 is in the hope - or expectation - that it'll save them money. That's a decent enough basis for this to work though, and as I've said before I expect - or hope! - it's the first of a sequence of full ST initiatives which can be refined as we go along. In a way, changing the goalposts during an initiative e.g. by making it a £110/£150 ticket whatever the numbers sold, might be counterproductive to fans putting deposits down
If we're looking to expand the ST community from around 1800 to 3000+ it should be remembered that we're moving well into 'uncommitted' territory and altruism towatds Dale & fellow Daleys wouldn't be on the radar |
Appealing to my altruism worked - I'm getting a spare to give away cos I want more Dale fans at a game; that will make for a better atmosphere for all fans - so by giving, I receive. I have more faith in Rochdale folk - I believe many will agree we need more helping each other and less, I'm all right Jack! Brexiteers bitterly complain that 'Re-moaners' will ensure Brexit is a failure - there's a danger negative comments on this initiative from Dale fans will do the same. Let's make sure we sell 4000 this time and then make suggestions for improvements. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:24 - Apr 1 with 2692 views | D_Alien |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:17 - Apr 1 by tony_roch975 |
Appealing to my altruism worked - I'm getting a spare to give away cos I want more Dale fans at a game; that will make for a better atmosphere for all fans - so by giving, I receive. I have more faith in Rochdale folk - I believe many will agree we need more helping each other and less, I'm all right Jack! Brexiteers bitterly complain that 'Re-moaners' will ensure Brexit is a failure - there's a danger negative comments on this initiative from Dale fans will do the same. Let's make sure we sell 4000 this time and then make suggestions for improvements. |
As I said, rising above the 1800 barrier will be moving into uncommitted territory, and there's plenty of posts which support my point without the need for your virtue signalling, which reveals nothing more than a limited understanding of human nature
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:44 - Apr 1 with 2626 views | tony_roch975 |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:24 - Apr 1 by D_Alien |
As I said, rising above the 1800 barrier will be moving into uncommitted territory, and there's plenty of posts which support my point without the need for your virtue signalling, which reveals nothing more than a limited understanding of human nature
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Yet another humane, thoughtful and well-reasoned point from D_Alien, perfectly demonstrating his nature. I think it shows I put my money where my mouth is - if the number of pusillanimous posts from you reflects the size of yours, you'll be able to buy the other 3998.
(Virtue-signalling = a new put-down for those with lots of anger but no argument) | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:47 - Apr 1 with 2618 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:17 - Apr 1 by tony_roch975 |
Appealing to my altruism worked - I'm getting a spare to give away cos I want more Dale fans at a game; that will make for a better atmosphere for all fans - so by giving, I receive. I have more faith in Rochdale folk - I believe many will agree we need more helping each other and less, I'm all right Jack! Brexiteers bitterly complain that 'Re-moaners' will ensure Brexit is a failure - there's a danger negative comments on this initiative from Dale fans will do the same. Let's make sure we sell 4000 this time and then make suggestions for improvements. |
By negative comments,you mean my recent posts?
I'm more of a fan or was should I say than the exact people this idea is aimed at,if there's doubts for me to throw money at this idea there's certainly more people thinking similar.
By highlighting concerns surely that's how things move forward in the future,whilst complimenting the initial idea theres surely room for improvement on how it's been delivered..... | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:53 - Apr 1 with 2583 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:47 - Apr 1 by nordenblue |
By negative comments,you mean my recent posts?
I'm more of a fan or was should I say than the exact people this idea is aimed at,if there's doubts for me to throw money at this idea there's certainly more people thinking similar.
By highlighting concerns surely that's how things move forward in the future,whilst complimenting the initial idea theres surely room for improvement on how it's been delivered..... |
But once that figure rises, those with doubts will have less.
At it's most basic level it becomes a case of "is it worth a £50 bet which will support the club's idea and the people it hopes to attract?"
If people can't afford that bet, fair enough. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:04 - Apr 1 with 2405 views | D_Alien |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:44 - Apr 1 by tony_roch975 |
Yet another humane, thoughtful and well-reasoned point from D_Alien, perfectly demonstrating his nature. I think it shows I put my money where my mouth is - if the number of pusillanimous posts from you reflects the size of yours, you'll be able to buy the other 3998.
(Virtue-signalling = a new put-down for those with lots of anger but no argument) |
Read my posts at 17.59 and 20.21 on the Match thread and understand that you're completely and utterly mistaken
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:25 - Apr 1 with 2354 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:53 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
But once that figure rises, those with doubts will have less.
At it's most basic level it becomes a case of "is it worth a £50 bet which will support the club's idea and the people it hopes to attract?"
If people can't afford that bet, fair enough. |
It's only worth the bet to people generally very interested anyway,it won't appeal to people very undecided about a ST.
I can afford the bet not a problem as can most people id imagine,so can the 2 lads I came to the game today with,none of which are prepared to stump up though either,it seems all the risk within the bet is heavily weighted on the exact people it's trying to attract. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:38 - Apr 1 with 2316 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:25 - Apr 1 by nordenblue |
It's only worth the bet to people generally very interested anyway,it won't appeal to people very undecided about a ST.
I can afford the bet not a problem as can most people id imagine,so can the 2 lads I came to the game today with,none of which are prepared to stump up though either,it seems all the risk within the bet is heavily weighted on the exact people it's trying to attract. |
That's the point I was trying to make, the bet shouldn't be only worth to people very interested. Those who go sometimes/might go more and would be interested if it was £110 should be doing their bit now and paying the £50 if they can afford it.
The £50 might as well be 50p in this situation, if someone can afford a night out without thinking about the £50 they've spent the next day and they're a Dale fan/part-timer/interested in local football, then stump up and see what happens. If the gamble doesn't come off, so be it. Nowt lost and they'll feel they've done their bit along with the club and everyone else who thinks its worth backing. Not doing so as soon as is possible is not giving the scheme the best possible chance of succeeding. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:52 - Apr 1 with 2270 views | boromat |
The 2000 mark is the biggy once we've reached that I think a lot of people unsure will be more comfortable putting 50 down. 250 for a season ticket is good value. Mine this year will be 407 minus the 25 voucher I think that's way too expensive for someone not yet sold on being a full time dale fan. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:20 - Apr 1 with 2203 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 18:38 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
That's the point I was trying to make, the bet shouldn't be only worth to people very interested. Those who go sometimes/might go more and would be interested if it was £110 should be doing their bit now and paying the £50 if they can afford it.
The £50 might as well be 50p in this situation, if someone can afford a night out without thinking about the £50 they've spent the next day and they're a Dale fan/part-timer/interested in local football, then stump up and see what happens. If the gamble doesn't come off, so be it. Nowt lost and they'll feel they've done their bit along with the club and everyone else who thinks its worth backing. Not doing so as soon as is possible is not giving the scheme the best possible chance of succeeding. |
Don't understand how the amount is irrelevant,the risk reduces the more the potential loss reduces surely?
If they asked for a 20 quid deposit instead more would be willing to gamble on it as the potential loss isn't as big
The point about a night out doesn't stack up,you'd get something back for your 50 quid where in this scenario you may well lose the money with nothing in return,not even a bloody hangover!!
The risk factor and placing it entirely on the fans is what is giving it less chance of a success | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:27 - Apr 1 with 2167 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:20 - Apr 1 by nordenblue |
Don't understand how the amount is irrelevant,the risk reduces the more the potential loss reduces surely?
If they asked for a 20 quid deposit instead more would be willing to gamble on it as the potential loss isn't as big
The point about a night out doesn't stack up,you'd get something back for your 50 quid where in this scenario you may well lose the money with nothing in return,not even a bloody hangover!!
The risk factor and placing it entirely on the fans is what is giving it less chance of a success |
Because it's not an amount that's unrealistic. The calculations will have been done around the £50 amount to cover those losses from people who don't then convert into a ST in the end.
It's up to the individual, however individuals need to consider the collective. If someone won't miss £50, they can have that night out. If they won't miss £50 then they should be part of the collective that are trying to achieve something but might fall short.
For those who can, it really isn't about I and nor should it be. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:56 - Apr 1 with 2108 views | nordenblue |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:27 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
Because it's not an amount that's unrealistic. The calculations will have been done around the £50 amount to cover those losses from people who don't then convert into a ST in the end.
It's up to the individual, however individuals need to consider the collective. If someone won't miss £50, they can have that night out. If they won't miss £50 then they should be part of the collective that are trying to achieve something but might fall short.
For those who can, it really isn't about I and nor should it be. |
My last post on the matter as it's taking up too much space for everyone else,neither is it anything personal to you either 442.
In what other scenario would you see a product/performance for sale where you're required to put nearly half the price down as a deposit,to then be possibly left with an option of losing all your money or be then asked to pay treble the price you're prepared to spend?
It's a bonkers way of conducting a retail sale. | | | |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 20:00 - Apr 1 with 2097 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 19:56 - Apr 1 by nordenblue |
My last post on the matter as it's taking up too much space for everyone else,neither is it anything personal to you either 442.
In what other scenario would you see a product/performance for sale where you're required to put nearly half the price down as a deposit,to then be possibly left with an option of losing all your money or be then asked to pay treble the price you're prepared to spend?
It's a bonkers way of conducting a retail sale. |
Not a problem and I do see your points. It's just that exploring the potential drawbacks should never influence the opportunity to be part of a really good idea. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:57 - Apr 1 with 1986 views | AtThePeake |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 13:24 - Apr 1 by D_Alien |
As I said, rising above the 1800 barrier will be moving into uncommitted territory, and there's plenty of posts which support my point without the need for your virtue signalling, which reveals nothing more than a limited understanding of human nature
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Only you could find a way to criticise someone for making a kind gesture that benefits both the club and people in the local community. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:15 - Apr 1 with 1946 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 20:00 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
Not a problem and I do see your points. It's just that exploring the potential drawbacks should never influence the opportunity to be part of a really good idea. |
Imho, there is no right or wrong to this discussion - just 2 different points of view.
It's very much like the discussion D_Alien was having on form vs results. KH even said in a recent radio interview that the team was in good form but weren't getting the results. Look at the form table and our form was then poor. Both are valid.
I must say that I have softened my stance on the issue a little after reading DDB's well argued point that this "countdown" process should create extra buzz and publicity versus a straight £110 offer. I do still think it is a massive ask for a casual or new fan (which is who we are trying to attract) to take a £50 punt regardless of how wealthy the individual may be.
You bleed blue blood 442, so it's a no-brainer for you. I'm sure a lot of others are wondering and a lot of others will stay on the fence until a milestone has been reached.
I also think DDB is bang on with his guess that Dale will make sure we get there somehow. If they don't, I think a massive loss of goodwill ensues and a massive opportunity is wasted.
'Pool more than quadrupled their STs from 1300 to the best part of 6k. Surely starting from a higher baseline we ought to be looking to exceed this. If the club let's the numbers fall short I will be so disappointed and I have no doubt I won't be alone.
I put my £50 down. Not sure how many games I'll even be able to get to next year. If a ST isn't cost effective though, I will walk away from the deposit as will a lot of others. They may become fans that never come back then. I pray this doesn't turn into an own goal. These are not "negative comments", just possible outcomes and thoughts. I believe we will get to 3k and then to 4k. It will take more than just fans to buy into this, but Russ has form and we have to believe he knows what he is doing and will make it happen. Today's result didn't help though (haven't read the match thread yet).
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:20 - Apr 1 with 1925 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:15 - Apr 1 by DaleiLama |
Imho, there is no right or wrong to this discussion - just 2 different points of view.
It's very much like the discussion D_Alien was having on form vs results. KH even said in a recent radio interview that the team was in good form but weren't getting the results. Look at the form table and our form was then poor. Both are valid.
I must say that I have softened my stance on the issue a little after reading DDB's well argued point that this "countdown" process should create extra buzz and publicity versus a straight £110 offer. I do still think it is a massive ask for a casual or new fan (which is who we are trying to attract) to take a £50 punt regardless of how wealthy the individual may be.
You bleed blue blood 442, so it's a no-brainer for you. I'm sure a lot of others are wondering and a lot of others will stay on the fence until a milestone has been reached.
I also think DDB is bang on with his guess that Dale will make sure we get there somehow. If they don't, I think a massive loss of goodwill ensues and a massive opportunity is wasted.
'Pool more than quadrupled their STs from 1300 to the best part of 6k. Surely starting from a higher baseline we ought to be looking to exceed this. If the club let's the numbers fall short I will be so disappointed and I have no doubt I won't be alone.
I put my £50 down. Not sure how many games I'll even be able to get to next year. If a ST isn't cost effective though, I will walk away from the deposit as will a lot of others. They may become fans that never come back then. I pray this doesn't turn into an own goal. These are not "negative comments", just possible outcomes and thoughts. I believe we will get to 3k and then to 4k. It will take more than just fans to buy into this, but Russ has form and we have to believe he knows what he is doing and will make it happen. Today's result didn't help though (haven't read the match thread yet).
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Blue and black blood with white trim. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:20 - Apr 1 with 1921 views | R17ALE |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:15 - Apr 1 by DaleiLama |
Imho, there is no right or wrong to this discussion - just 2 different points of view.
It's very much like the discussion D_Alien was having on form vs results. KH even said in a recent radio interview that the team was in good form but weren't getting the results. Look at the form table and our form was then poor. Both are valid.
I must say that I have softened my stance on the issue a little after reading DDB's well argued point that this "countdown" process should create extra buzz and publicity versus a straight £110 offer. I do still think it is a massive ask for a casual or new fan (which is who we are trying to attract) to take a £50 punt regardless of how wealthy the individual may be.
You bleed blue blood 442, so it's a no-brainer for you. I'm sure a lot of others are wondering and a lot of others will stay on the fence until a milestone has been reached.
I also think DDB is bang on with his guess that Dale will make sure we get there somehow. If they don't, I think a massive loss of goodwill ensues and a massive opportunity is wasted.
'Pool more than quadrupled their STs from 1300 to the best part of 6k. Surely starting from a higher baseline we ought to be looking to exceed this. If the club let's the numbers fall short I will be so disappointed and I have no doubt I won't be alone.
I put my £50 down. Not sure how many games I'll even be able to get to next year. If a ST isn't cost effective though, I will walk away from the deposit as will a lot of others. They may become fans that never come back then. I pray this doesn't turn into an own goal. These are not "negative comments", just possible outcomes and thoughts. I believe we will get to 3k and then to 4k. It will take more than just fans to buy into this, but Russ has form and we have to believe he knows what he is doing and will make it happen. Today's result didn't help though (haven't read the match thread yet).
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Great post.
But, This line is shit...
"and CD just uses this as an exercise to line his own pocket"
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:25 - Apr 1 with 1906 views | D_Alien |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 21:57 - Apr 1 by AtThePeake |
Only you could find a way to criticise someone for making a kind gesture that benefits both the club and people in the local community. |
There you go again ATP, getting it wrong
tonyroch misinterpreted my post, both the letter and spirit of it. In doing so, he felt the need to signal his own virtue, which was completely unnecessary
It's great what committed fans are doing to buy and distribute tickets for those who wouldn't normally buy one
But, as I've posted elsewhere, it ill-serves the cause to be critical of those who have qualms about putting down deposits for perfectly valid reasons | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:47 - Apr 1 with 1857 views | 442Dale |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:25 - Apr 1 by D_Alien |
There you go again ATP, getting it wrong
tonyroch misinterpreted my post, both the letter and spirit of it. In doing so, he felt the need to signal his own virtue, which was completely unnecessary
It's great what committed fans are doing to buy and distribute tickets for those who wouldn't normally buy one
But, as I've posted elsewhere, it ill-serves the cause to be critical of those who have qualms about putting down deposits for perfectly valid reasons |
There's certainly a difference between being critical and encouraging people to think. At the end of the day everyone does what they think is best in any given situation. Like most things, it's all about opinions.
Wonder how many we sold today? | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:52 - Apr 1 with 1837 views | AtThePeake |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:25 - Apr 1 by D_Alien |
There you go again ATP, getting it wrong
tonyroch misinterpreted my post, both the letter and spirit of it. In doing so, he felt the need to signal his own virtue, which was completely unnecessary
It's great what committed fans are doing to buy and distribute tickets for those who wouldn't normally buy one
But, as I've posted elsewhere, it ill-serves the cause to be critical of those who have qualms about putting down deposits for perfectly valid reasons |
There you go again D_Alien, showing your misplaced arrogance.
Or maybe it isn't misplaced and you are the omnibenevolent (hey, I can use big words too!) man you portray yourself to be - although we both know that isn't the case, don't we?
I don't see where TonyRoch is criticising anyone. Nor do I think his 'virtue-signalling' as you incorrectly put it was unnecessary. I think it was him portraying his point of view and backing it up with an action but given that it's a point of view you don't necessarily agree with you've gone straight to your go-to response of having a dig. This time, because what you're having a dig at him for is something that benefits everyone, it makes you look even more petulant than usual.
Although hang on, your opinion carries more weight than everyone else's doesn't it? Forgot about that. Carry on. | |
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:00 - Apr 1 with 1823 views | DaleiLama |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:20 - Apr 1 by R17ALE |
Great post.
But, This line is shit...
"and CD just uses this as an exercise to line his own pocket"
And wrong. |
Tbf R17, you missed the most important word out of that sentence. The word if (in the context of not getting to a cost-effective target). Either you have not understood my point, I haven't explained it v well or you just plain disagree. The scenario I was referring to was we sell 2-3k deposits and the price is not cost effective for many. In this case we almost certainly exceed the 1800 we sold this year but there will also be a lot of £50 deposits that will be lost and end up in the clubs coffers. After all this buzz, it would be madness for the club to take a short-sighted view, but in pure cashflow terms it would be a nice earner vs this year. Not saying it will happen - in fact praying it won't! [Post edited 1 Apr 2017 23:04]
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| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 23:12 - Apr 1 with 1793 views | D_Alien |
| Season Ticket Totaliser Thread on 22:52 - Apr 1 by AtThePeake |
There you go again D_Alien, showing your misplaced arrogance.
Or maybe it isn't misplaced and you are the omnibenevolent (hey, I can use big words too!) man you portray yourself to be - although we both know that isn't the case, don't we?
I don't see where TonyRoch is criticising anyone. Nor do I think his 'virtue-signalling' as you incorrectly put it was unnecessary. I think it was him portraying his point of view and backing it up with an action but given that it's a point of view you don't necessarily agree with you've gone straight to your go-to response of having a dig. This time, because what you're having a dig at him for is something that benefits everyone, it makes you look even more petulant than usual.
Although hang on, your opinion carries more weight than everyone else's doesn't it? Forgot about that. Carry on. |
"...you are the omnibenevolent (hey, I can use big words too!) man you portray yourself to be - although we both know that isn't the case, don't we?"
You might think you know summat, but I'll dare you to be more specific. Never mind the cheap little hints, spell it out or stfu
And if omnibenevolent were something I'd be interested in portraying myself as, it'd be something you wouldn't have the experience or knowledge to dispute - but I don't, so stfu about that
Come on, we're all waiting to hear from you...
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