| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 09:45 - Feb 13 with 4234 views | andypitt56 |
I can see the reasoning behind this, a lot of research has gone into this and how it affects the brain. you cant stop it all together but at that age i agree with it.
One positive this would bring is it would encourage playing the ball on the floor, and that is no bad thing at all. it would improve the technical side of play and off the ball movement. |  | |  |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 10:20 - Feb 13 with 4204 views | Ptpeaty |
Good thing. Most kids don't get proper tuition on how to head a ball properly. I recall heading an old fashioned leather ball that was kicked almost as high as Sputnik. I attempted to head it and caught it on the top of my head and passed out two days later with delayed concussion. | | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 10:23 - Feb 13 with 4197 views | monmouth |
Yes.
We're a way away from it, and the research needs more rigour, but I can see it eventually going out of senior football too if some of the medical academics i've talked to are to be believed about the longer term effects. |  |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 10:34 - Feb 13 with 4174 views | TheFranchise |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 10:23 - Feb 13 by monmouth |
Yes.
We're a way away from it, and the research needs more rigour, but I can see it eventually going out of senior football too if some of the medical academics i've talked to are to be believed about the longer term effects. |
I've been a keen follower of the CTE research since the NFL court cases and some high profile issues where professional wrestlers have lost their minds.
As a youth football coach, I don't see the need to be heading the ball until the kids play 11 a side anyway, it should be ruled out of all levels of mini football. You can work on the technical development of players instead.
Within 10 years I think we'll see some big issues with former professional footballers and rugby players. Rugby will be seeing a massive rule change, there's not enough money in the sport to deal with the payouts that the NFL had to deal with. |  | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 10:50 - Feb 13 with 4166 views | MillJack |
I'd agree with it simply due to the reasons already provided in this thread. It is far more advantageous to install a "below head height" rule, such as the one that exists in 5-a-side football, at a young age to provide more opportunities for kids to develop technical ability with their feet.
However, the amount of heading that you actually see in football below U11's is so negligible that it's hardly even worth a debate.
What would be far braver a step from the FAW would be to make mini/junior football a summer sport with the season running from March to Sept/Oct and give children a chance to develop in 1/2 decent weather without games being called off every weekend. Local football associations can then be encouraged to run Futsal leagues through the winter, giving additional opportunity for children to develop their technical ability.
It'll never happen though because "it's the way it's always been done" |  | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 10:57 - Feb 13 with 4146 views | SoberBaker |
"However, the amount of heading that you actually see in football below U11's is so negligible that it's hardly even worth a debate."
Exactly. You'd be lucky to see one header a game. It's not as if the header is coming from the goalie hoofing it 40 yards from his hands into the centre circle for the midfielders to compete. Most under 7/8/9/10/11's shit themselves when competing for a high ball anyway.
Also, I don't think the football has ever been so lightweight. We're not talking about a fifty year old bag of leather anymore are we?
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 11:00 - Feb 13 with 4139 views | stircrazyjack |
My son has been heading the ball since he was 6 or 7 and scored around 10 goals last season from corners on the bonse . I must admit to never having give it much though until i read this thread.
Its a big part of his game as a central defender and he thoroughly enjoys it. Hes only 10 now and id hate to tell him to stop doing it. | | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 11:10 - Feb 13 with 4126 views | sherpajacob |
I help coach under 8s and most of it is played on the floor, but corners and throw ins do see quite a few headers, some boys are good and head it well, most do not.
The better players can deliver a corner with a lot of pace at that age, my son has scored 4 goals direct from corners this season.
At u9 and u10, the pitches get bigger, so whilst most coaches encourage playing football there is still a temptation for goalies and defenders to launch it long.
I too would love to see summer football, a season from March to November, ( a month's break in August, ) and indoor 3g football in the winter for mini football.
It requires the will and the money, not sure either is present at the moment. |  |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 11:43 - Feb 13 with 4082 views | Kerouac |
Summer football all the way. Crazy that we haven't taken this direction with the kids yet...it's not like kids are playing Cricket in the summer these days is it?
Coach kids technique and pass & move, encourage young goalies to learn to run to the edge of the are and throw/roll it out.
I wouldn't go as far as banning heading though, as others have said they don't header the ball enough to make much difference...plus you stifle creativity (if a boy can see that if he nudges the ball on with his head he sets the striker away that is to be encouraged in my book...or if a boy can control the ball by nudging it with his head and bringing it down).
It is rare indeed to see a thumping header, nearly always they come from corners...you need a boy good enough to whip a cross in at height and a boy brave enough to keep his eye on the ball and meet it...rare you'll get these 2 characters in the same team at U8/9/10....and frankly it is wonderful to see and should be celebrated.
I reckon the damage that is done by heading is done in senior football. Watch a local game and count the amount of firmly met headers in the game...a lot with the ball travelling at pace, usually with someone else challenging (clashing heads/using arms). |  |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 11:46 - Feb 13 with 4078 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Peter Crouch wouldn't have had a touch until he was 11... |  |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 13:48 - Feb 13 with 4017 views | jasper_T |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 11:46 - Feb 13 by Joe_bradshaw |
Peter Crouch wouldn't have had a touch until he was 11... |
He's got good feet for a big man though. | | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:01 - Feb 13 with 3990 views | MillJack |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 11:43 - Feb 13 by Kerouac |
Summer football all the way. Crazy that we haven't taken this direction with the kids yet...it's not like kids are playing Cricket in the summer these days is it?
Coach kids technique and pass & move, encourage young goalies to learn to run to the edge of the are and throw/roll it out.
I wouldn't go as far as banning heading though, as others have said they don't header the ball enough to make much difference...plus you stifle creativity (if a boy can see that if he nudges the ball on with his head he sets the striker away that is to be encouraged in my book...or if a boy can control the ball by nudging it with his head and bringing it down).
It is rare indeed to see a thumping header, nearly always they come from corners...you need a boy good enough to whip a cross in at height and a boy brave enough to keep his eye on the ball and meet it...rare you'll get these 2 characters in the same team at U8/9/10....and frankly it is wonderful to see and should be celebrated.
I reckon the damage that is done by heading is done in senior football. Watch a local game and count the amount of firmly met headers in the game...a lot with the ball travelling at pace, usually with someone else challenging (clashing heads/using arms). |
In regards to your first sentence,whenever the idea of summer football is brought up the "kids play cricket" argument is always brought up. The problem with that argument is that a) in comparison to the number of kids that play football, the number who play team cricket is incredibly small and b) who says that they have to play at the same time?
Summer football could be played on a Wednesday or Thursday evening with 6pm kick-offs. This would allow kids to play cricket on the weekends, as they currently do, without any interruption to the schedules.
As far as I'm aware there are only two junior leagues in the UK that have moved their calendar to the summer, Bolton being one of them, and to be honest I'm staggered that nobody else seems to be even looking at it. | | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:19 - Feb 13 with 3953 views | skippyjack |
I think the atmosphere we live in creates more damage than a football.
But academics are so insular, one dimensional and like to make things up to feel good about themselves..
What's worse?.. a football to the head.. or a consisent barrage of industrial pollution?
Carbon Monoxide
Nuclear Waste
Electrical Radioactive Waves
Or a leather ball hitting the nonce?
But I don't 'rate' experts.. you all know that anyway. [Post edited 13 Feb 2017 15:14]
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:31 - Feb 13 with 3940 views | Jack_Kass |
It will happen eventually.
Make no mistake, there are people putting a LOT of money and research into the connection between heading the ball and brain damage/deterioration.
The motives and intentions between these people are varied, some are genuine and looking out for people's health and future wellbeing, like the Jeff Astle foundation. Completely understandable.
Others, well where this is blame and "negligence", there's a lawsuit and a s**tload of more money to be made. I have no doubt that some people are looking to get a mega payday out of this. It only takes one lawsuit and others will jump on like leeches.
Heading the ball is restricted in the States for those under 13, mainly because it's a lot less problematic for the USSF, than someone coming up with a piece of evidence to suggest heading the ball, and brain damage are connected. The resulting lawsuit would probably finish them.
The last piece of research I saw suggested that after heading the ball, children were shown to have reduced memory and cognitive function. I didn't see the method's they used to test this
Like I've said before, if someone invented the game tomorrow and suggested using the head, they'd be laughed at, but it's so normal to use and ingrained, in our culture especially, that we don't question it. [Post edited 13 Feb 2017 14:32]
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:36 - Feb 13 with 3916 views | skippyjack |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:31 - Feb 13 by Jack_Kass |
It will happen eventually.
Make no mistake, there are people putting a LOT of money and research into the connection between heading the ball and brain damage/deterioration.
The motives and intentions between these people are varied, some are genuine and looking out for people's health and future wellbeing, like the Jeff Astle foundation. Completely understandable.
Others, well where this is blame and "negligence", there's a lawsuit and a s**tload of more money to be made. I have no doubt that some people are looking to get a mega payday out of this. It only takes one lawsuit and others will jump on like leeches.
Heading the ball is restricted in the States for those under 13, mainly because it's a lot less problematic for the USSF, than someone coming up with a piece of evidence to suggest heading the ball, and brain damage are connected. The resulting lawsuit would probably finish them.
The last piece of research I saw suggested that after heading the ball, children were shown to have reduced memory and cognitive function. I didn't see the method's they used to test this
Like I've said before, if someone invented the game tomorrow and suggested using the head, they'd be laughed at, but it's so normal to use and ingrained, in our culture especially, that we don't question it. [Post edited 13 Feb 2017 14:32]
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What about my post?
What's worse.. a leather ball to the head.
Or putting your mouth around an exhaust pipe?
Do these 'experts' think things through?.. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:44 - Feb 13 with 3904 views | Highjack |
Meh, you need a bit of risk in life. I'm all for people staying safe and healthy but not at the cost of removing all the fun out of the world. Footballs already becoming essentially a non contact sport. |  |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:57 - Feb 13 with 3878 views | andypitt56 |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:36 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
What about my post?
What's worse.. a leather ball to the head.
Or putting your mouth around an exhaust pipe?
Do these 'experts' think things through?.. |
I think your post is kind of irrelevant really, considering how big environmental science is these day, the fact that certain chemicals are banned. There's load of money put into clean energy. what is the point of saying which is worse, both don't do you any good. So regarding your comment about experts this is just a relatively new field of research. 50 years ago people thought smoking was good for you! its all relative to the amount of time, money and effort put into these things. There is evidence to suggest that it could lead to dementia, so surely it makes sense to think about prevention methods? | | | |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:02 - Feb 13 with 3863 views | Loyal |
Not sure about under tens, but perchie needs to stop it. |  |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:09 - Feb 13 with 3840 views | skippyjack |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 14:57 - Feb 13 by andypitt56 |
I think your post is kind of irrelevant really, considering how big environmental science is these day, the fact that certain chemicals are banned. There's load of money put into clean energy. what is the point of saying which is worse, both don't do you any good. So regarding your comment about experts this is just a relatively new field of research. 50 years ago people thought smoking was good for you! its all relative to the amount of time, money and effort put into these things. There is evidence to suggest that it could lead to dementia, so surely it makes sense to think about prevention methods? |
Yep.. Somehow experts have mysteriously created a suction device to clean the billions of cars exhaust fumes on a daily basis..
Can't talk to people anymore. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:12 - Feb 13 with 3838 views | Jack_Kass |
A lot of it is down to the coach/parent as well.
If you're spending over 50% of your time in a session with young children, repeatedly practising heading, with the wrong sized ball, then you're a f**king idiot and shouldn't be allowed in that position in the first place. You'd think that was common sense, yet it happens. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:13 - Feb 13 with 3837 views | Highjack |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:09 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
Yep.. Somehow experts have mysteriously created a suction device to clean the billions of cars exhaust fumes on a daily basis..
Can't talk to people anymore. |
Have you tried putting your mouth over an exhaust pipe skip? You should.
Just so you can report back to us scientifically how dangerous it is. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:13 - Feb 13 with 3829 views | skippyjack |
I not being funny mate.. or taking the p*ss..
Comparing a ball hitting the bonce like twice a game..
Is nothing compared to the daily consumption of carbon monoxide.. with every breath you take. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:16 - Feb 13 with 3817 views | skippyjack |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:13 - Feb 13 by Highjack |
Have you tried putting your mouth over an exhaust pipe skip? You should.
Just so you can report back to us scientifically how dangerous it is. |
You only have to walk outside the door and you're coughing.
It's obviously due to the ball hitting the bonce on a Saturday ffs mun. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:16 - Feb 13 with 3824 views | Highjack |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:13 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
I not being funny mate.. or taking the p*ss..
Comparing a ball hitting the bonce like twice a game..
Is nothing compared to the daily consumption of carbon monoxide.. with every breath you take. |
Carbon monoxide is completely harmless in small amounts. | |
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| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:17 - Feb 13 with 3820 views | andypitt56 |
| Ban under 10s from heading the ball. on 15:09 - Feb 13 by skippyjack |
Yep.. Somehow experts have mysteriously created a suction device to clean the billions of cars exhaust fumes on a daily basis..
Can't talk to people anymore. |
The science exists to reduce and limit the amount of pollution, its not the experts fault that governments choose to ignore, because of there own financial gains....
I am guessing you like to see "alternative facts"? | | | |
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