| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:02 - Jun 17 with 1938 views | perchrockjack |
I was thinking of adding something further but I can't.
I am reassured though after reading some posts that I'm not as bad or mad as I thought.
Quite how or why tragedy I seems to set off vindictive messages on here is beyond me.
I've wound a few up in my time on here and hid knows had a peculiar ban myself but what s been posted today is simply damning on us all. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:03 - Jun 17 with 1937 views | Lohengrin |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 17:38 - Jun 17 by exiledclaseboy |
You've been hinting at it since your first post on the thread. Your contributions here bring shame on you. |
Nonsense. If I were to just trot into line like a good little prole at the whipcrack of a tabloid directed majority opinion; join the Apostles, as Goethe had it, and risk nothing at all I'm sure I'd diminish myself in your eyes. The shame would lay in saying something you don't believe because it's the safer, easier option. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:08 - Jun 17 with 1927 views | londonlisa2001 |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 17:19 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
The events have left a trail of broken, damaged people throughout the region, Daz. She is one of the highest profile faces of the political class that failed these people. The math is easy. |
The dates don't work for you.
And empathising with a monster for political reasons is exactly what you are accusing the Labour Party in that region of doing by the way. | | | |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:08 - Jun 17 with 1924 views | perchrockjack |
I d like to defend clasie.
lol used a word,which I've since forgotten, he s done it before.
I forget much sadly, or possibly not .
One thing is certain.
We re a squabbling rabble and my comments about being "backward" and prone to inter necine strife are completely vindicated.
Peace ffs | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:11 - Jun 17 with 1913 views | Lohengrin |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 17:59 - Jun 17 by ItchySphincter |
Your first paragraph is fair but the links between her murder and the atrocities you mentioned are tenuous are they not? |
We shall see. Do you buy this notion that the murder is tied up with her support for the Remain Campaign? | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:15 - Jun 17 with 1897 views | skippyjack |
Alright.. if we're going to be all constructive..
Jo Cox was head of the constituency in Yorkshire.
She obviously had access and knowledge of hidden files concerning the Yorkshire police department, and everyone that was involved in seedy activities.. she might not have taken part in cover ups.. but being the main person.. she could conceivably be a target for anyone with a motive.
No information about the murderer has been released..
She was shot 3 times.. and a pedestrian was stabbed while intervening.
So we can assume that this murder was a 'planned' attack.. considering he had a knife as back up.
More details will follow.. after interrogation.
So from hard written facts..
She was a high risk target.
The murder was a planned affair. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:25 - Jun 17 with 1875 views | Lohengrin |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:08 - Jun 17 by londonlisa2001 |
The dates don't work for you.
And empathising with a monster for political reasons is exactly what you are accusing the Labour Party in that region of doing by the way. |
It's difficult to set definite parameters to this time frame. How long is it before a mental wound begins to suppurate?
*I'm not empathising with a "monster," Lisa. Is that the way it comes across? I know nothing at all about him. Literally nothing. | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:41 - Jun 17 with 1850 views | Borojack |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:25 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
It's difficult to set definite parameters to this time frame. How long is it before a mental wound begins to suppurate?
*I'm not empathising with a "monster," Lisa. Is that the way it comes across? I know nothing at all about him. Literally nothing. |
How would you feel if you were the husband or the father of that young woman that was murdered yesterday
And you were to read some of the shameful posts you have put on this thread.
You need to take a look in the mirror like others have said you should be ashamed of yourself.
But you wont as in your wharped mind your right. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:42 - Jun 17 with 1848 views | exiledclaseboy |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:03 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
Nonsense. If I were to just trot into line like a good little prole at the whipcrack of a tabloid directed majority opinion; join the Apostles, as Goethe had it, and risk nothing at all I'm sure I'd diminish myself in your eyes. The shame would lay in saying something you don't believe because it's the safer, easier option. |
Nothing could diminish you "in my eyes" more than your posts on this thread. Nothing. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:58 - Jun 17 with 1817 views | londonlisa2001 |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:25 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
It's difficult to set definite parameters to this time frame. How long is it before a mental wound begins to suppurate?
*I'm not empathising with a "monster," Lisa. Is that the way it comes across? I know nothing at all about him. Literally nothing. |
The time frame not working for you is the other way round Lohengrin. There is evidence of this person being a far right white extremist as far back as the 90s, so before the Rotherham cases started to rear their heads. A mental wound can't suppurate before the wound is created.
And, yes, you do sound like you are empathetic.
I'm pretty horrified if truth be told. I have enjoyed some sparring with you over the months with full knowledge that you are on a very different part of the political spectrum to myself, but what you have written on this thread is not dissimilar to the bile spouted by the WBC et al post Orlando. | | | |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 19:10 - Jun 17 with 1792 views | ItchySphincter |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:11 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
We shall see. Do you buy this notion that the murder is tied up with her support for the Remain Campaign? |
Not at the moment I don't. I remain to be swayed to anything other than that it's a tragedy driven by mental illness. The news down here in the South East is trying to tie it to right wing extremism but again I have my doubts. I'm not doubting what you've read and I'm not even saying you're wrong but I haven't yet seen anything that lends credence to the theory. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 19:12 - Jun 17 with 1786 views | ItchySphincter |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:15 - Jun 17 by skippyjack |
Alright.. if we're going to be all constructive..
Jo Cox was head of the constituency in Yorkshire.
She obviously had access and knowledge of hidden files concerning the Yorkshire police department, and everyone that was involved in seedy activities.. she might not have taken part in cover ups.. but being the main person.. she could conceivably be a target for anyone with a motive.
No information about the murderer has been released..
She was shot 3 times.. and a pedestrian was stabbed while intervening.
So we can assume that this murder was a 'planned' attack.. considering he had a knife as back up.
More details will follow.. after interrogation.
So from hard written facts..
She was a high risk target.
The murder was a planned affair. |
Not taking the piss but that's a theory skip, not hard facts. | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 19:21 - Jun 17 with 1762 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 17:53 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
You simply can't help yourselves, can you? Any train of thought that deviates from the officially sanctioned Labour narrative has to be howled down. Any light that may be shone into purposefully darkened corners must be snuffed out.
When you're contradicted reach into yourself and construct an argument. Calling for the gag may be a time-honoured Labour tactic but it just betrays the absence of confidence in your own ability. |
The biggest cover up of child sexual abuse occurred in the 80's under the Thatcher government. Geoffrey Dickins ring any bells??
I have to say that you've gone way too far this time. Watever you believe this young woman had no links to any such (alledged Labour) cover up. Perhaps if she had been allowed to live she may have campaigned for the truth to come out for all you know. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:03 - Jun 17 with 1627 views | westwiltsjack |
Did you see what he did, to that lass in the road
People all crying, Oh Christ dear Lord
Little she were, a mother and wife
When he came full of rage, with his gun and his knife
A kindly sort, gifted and bright
Did she think of her kids, as day turned to night
Vigils and prayers and tears, dark coats
Bouquets of flowers, hand written notes
Leaders from parties, anger on hold
Hostility suspended, at least, so I’m told!!
No matter the reason, was he left was he right?
He came with a gun and an ed full’o’shite
Is this politics? Nay! Because we know it’s not reet
When a lass lies bleedin int middle o street
RIP JC | | | |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:10 - Jun 17 with 1616 views | AnotherJohn |
How tragic that Jo Cox was killed by a loner who appears to have experienced mental health problems! For the 'Leave' campaign there is the additional pain that fingers are being pointed at ordinary people who - whether others agree or not - can generally put forward a coherent case as to why they favour Brexit. In the Guardian, the European press and social media a thinly dressed-up narrative of blame is being constructed. The debate is indeed getting dirty. | | | |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:12 - Jun 17 with 1612 views | exiledclaseboy |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:10 - Jun 17 by AnotherJohn |
How tragic that Jo Cox was killed by a loner who appears to have experienced mental health problems! For the 'Leave' campaign there is the additional pain that fingers are being pointed at ordinary people who - whether others agree or not - can generally put forward a coherent case as to why they favour Brexit. In the Guardian, the European press and social media a thinly dressed-up narrative of blame is being constructed. The debate is indeed getting dirty. |
Almost as dirty as this sorry thread. | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:18 - Jun 17 with 1592 views | Lohengrin |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:58 - Jun 17 by londonlisa2001 |
The time frame not working for you is the other way round Lohengrin. There is evidence of this person being a far right white extremist as far back as the 90s, so before the Rotherham cases started to rear their heads. A mental wound can't suppurate before the wound is created.
And, yes, you do sound like you are empathetic.
I'm pretty horrified if truth be told. I have enjoyed some sparring with you over the months with full knowledge that you are on a very different part of the political spectrum to myself, but what you have written on this thread is not dissimilar to the bile spouted by the WBC et al post Orlando. |
Lisa, I've done a bit of digging into this evidence and it would appear that he subscribed to the online journal of The Springbok Club. I know exactly who they are and what they do. It's a dining club for what's left of the aristocratic membership of the old Monday Club, various retired Colonels and the like plus a sprinkling of ageing Rhodesian ex-pats. They meet quarterly, mostly in central London hotels or a room at the House of Lords. They'll have a guest historian, somebody like Andrew Roberts come along and speak on the Fashoda Incident or the Battle of Majuba Hill. As they pass the Port they'll toast The Queen, chat about farming, probably moan about how the Army has gone soft compared to their day and most certainly bemoan the fact that it's not 1887 any more. Trust me on this one, I know exactly what I'm talking about. If that's the evidence of dangerous extremism then they're barking up the wrong tree.
As for the second part, I disagree completely; but then I would. | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:23 - Jun 17 with 1580 views | Lohengrin |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 18:41 - Jun 17 by Borojack |
How would you feel if you were the husband or the father of that young woman that was murdered yesterday
And you were to read some of the shameful posts you have put on this thread.
You need to take a look in the mirror like others have said you should be ashamed of yourself.
But you wont as in your wharped mind your right. |
There have been many occasions where I have changed my mind on something over the years if a compelling enough argument is advanced. I'll take that on the chin but what I won't be taking are any lectures on propriety from you, old son. | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:29 - Jun 17 with 1566 views | perchrockjack |
What makes an argument compelling?
Little difference between opinion and argument.
Semantics surrounds us all | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:32 - Jun 17 with 1558 views | bonymine |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:03 - Jun 17 by westwiltsjack |
Did you see what he did, to that lass in the road
People all crying, Oh Christ dear Lord
Little she were, a mother and wife
When he came full of rage, with his gun and his knife
A kindly sort, gifted and bright
Did she think of her kids, as day turned to night
Vigils and prayers and tears, dark coats
Bouquets of flowers, hand written notes
Leaders from parties, anger on hold
Hostility suspended, at least, so I’m told!!
No matter the reason, was he left was he right?
He came with a gun and an ed full’o’shite
Is this politics? Nay! Because we know it’s not reet
When a lass lies bleedin int middle o street
RIP JC |
A heartfelt tribute, very well composed.
A very, very sad and unnecessary death.
RIP Jo |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 22:00 - Jun 17 with 1510 views | londonlisa2001 |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:10 - Jun 17 by AnotherJohn |
How tragic that Jo Cox was killed by a loner who appears to have experienced mental health problems! For the 'Leave' campaign there is the additional pain that fingers are being pointed at ordinary people who - whether others agree or not - can generally put forward a coherent case as to why they favour Brexit. In the Guardian, the European press and social media a thinly dressed-up narrative of blame is being constructed. The debate is indeed getting dirty. |
I completely agree with the sentiment.
It is awful in every situation to see the finger of blame pointed at innocent people who happen to share some characteristic of a monster. | | | |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 22:07 - Jun 17 with 1497 views | londonlisa2001 |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:18 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
Lisa, I've done a bit of digging into this evidence and it would appear that he subscribed to the online journal of The Springbok Club. I know exactly who they are and what they do. It's a dining club for what's left of the aristocratic membership of the old Monday Club, various retired Colonels and the like plus a sprinkling of ageing Rhodesian ex-pats. They meet quarterly, mostly in central London hotels or a room at the House of Lords. They'll have a guest historian, somebody like Andrew Roberts come along and speak on the Fashoda Incident or the Battle of Majuba Hill. As they pass the Port they'll toast The Queen, chat about farming, probably moan about how the Army has gone soft compared to their day and most certainly bemoan the fact that it's not 1887 any more. Trust me on this one, I know exactly what I'm talking about. If that's the evidence of dangerous extremism then they're barking up the wrong tree.
As for the second part, I disagree completely; but then I would. |
Initial reports suggest he was involved in right wing extremism.
I prefer not to jump to conclusions about these cases until the facts emerge.
I am simply saying that I believe you are utterly wrong to do so in your earlier posts which I found deeply upsetting and I believe that your view doesn't actually tie in with what so far has been said and seems to be known.
Whatever the reason, it is not the fault of Jo Cox who appears to have devoted her adult life to trying to help people that she believed needed that help. Her husband has spoken with almost unbelievable dignity and shows that there remains at least some good in this world. | | | |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 22:19 - Jun 17 with 1467 views | Borojack |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 21:23 - Jun 17 by Lohengrin |
There have been many occasions where I have changed my mind on something over the years if a compelling enough argument is advanced. I'll take that on the chin but what I won't be taking are any lectures on propriety from you, old son. |
You can take it how you like sonny I think the decent thing to would be to read through your posts again.
Then the penny may drop as to what an insensitive bufoon you are.
Then apologise for the obvious distress your posts have caused.
I wont hold my breath though. | |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 22:38 - Jun 17 with 1426 views | Dr_Winston |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 16:59 - Jun 17 by exiledclaseboy |
F*ck off, Skip. You're not "controversial" as you claim and is claimed on your behalf. You're a f*cking idiot. |
The board needs people like Skip. |  |
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| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 22:42 - Jun 17 with 1422 views | Lord_Bony |
| MP shot and stabbed in Yorkshire on 16:16 - Jun 17 by Borojack |
I dont think bluey said much to cause offence.
How Longerin doesnt get banned for this though is anyones guess
Could a mod please delete this.
Truly shocking. |
You should have read the one I deleted just before that one! |  |
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