| Political Leaders' Debate 21:03 - Apr 17 with 12707 views | finberty |
This seemed to be a 4-1 attack on Nigel Farage - 5 if you count Dimbleby.
The forgetful Greens' woman seemed from another planet with her theories.
The Plaid Cymru woman clearly felt on safe ground by attacking Farage - not for what he said, but for what (she thinks) he stands for. She got a round of applause at the previous debate so felt well able to go again on the same line. Other than that, difficult to remember what she stood for except that she, like others, believes there is a pot of gold to pay for all the spending - or 'investment' as it's now called.
Miliband came across as slightly creepy, with a faint patronising smile and air of superiority, but having said that, not as geeky as I'd thought.
As for Sturgeon, never trust a woman in high heels and thin ankles - something is bound to crack at some stage. |  | | |  |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:10 - Apr 17 with 7154 views | DomDale |
I've come out and said I've admired Farage for his seemingly no nonsense approach before but he's cracking and coming out with more and more ridiculousness as the election nears.
My prediction is he'll win his seat and Ukip will retain the other two who have recently defected. Storm in a teacup.
Milliband for me is coming across stronger with each week and I feel he'll be the next PM. |  |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:28 - Apr 17 with 7108 views | mightydale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:10 - Apr 17 by DomDale |
I've come out and said I've admired Farage for his seemingly no nonsense approach before but he's cracking and coming out with more and more ridiculousness as the election nears.
My prediction is he'll win his seat and Ukip will retain the other two who have recently defected. Storm in a teacup.
Milliband for me is coming across stronger with each week and I feel he'll be the next PM. |
If Millipeed is next PM god fcuking help us English working people god help our young British girls. its a disgrace that people are still voting for Liebour after the state they Left the country in.
question for Tazzy which party is gonna use taxpayers money(which i know doesn't affect you) to support Muslim only schools |  |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:34 - Apr 17 with 7089 views | mightydale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:28 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
If Millipeed is next PM god fcuking help us English working people god help our young British girls. its a disgrace that people are still voting for Liebour after the state they Left the country in.
question for Tazzy which party is gonna use taxpayers money(which i know doesn't affect you) to support Muslim only schools |
Kenboom why the thumbs down | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:47 - Apr 17 with 7067 views | KenBoon |
Farage is good entertainment, but his party are a one man team. He was exceptional last night. Immediately removed any credibility from the audiences reactions (unfair criticism I thought) and convinced his supporters at home that they were the normal hard working person and the crowd were a typical bbc lefty audience. A great tactic but he's still full of shite. His NHS pledges are pure nonsense. |  | | |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:53 - Apr 17 with 7043 views | KenBoon |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:34 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
Kenboom why the thumbs down |
Because the blame game is boring. Tories and Lib dems have only made things worse. Poorer are poorer. Richer are richer. Wages in real-terms down. 'Recovery' based on London and a housing bubble. Their "economic recovery plan" isn't working. Stats can be spun however you like, but the facts on the ground is people in general aren't as well off. Working families demonised into the underclass. Employment stats are nonsense. Personally I feel whoever was in charge in the nought-ies would have had the same meltdown. People spent money they didn't have. Bankers were bankers. The Tories wouldn't have changed that. They're all as bad as each other... they just f**k up and screw people in different ways. | | | |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:53 - Apr 17 with 7043 views | mightydale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:47 - Apr 17 by KenBoon |
Farage is good entertainment, but his party are a one man team. He was exceptional last night. Immediately removed any credibility from the audiences reactions (unfair criticism I thought) and convinced his supporters at home that they were the normal hard working person and the crowd were a typical bbc lefty audience. A great tactic but he's still full of shite. His NHS pledges are pure nonsense. |
what by saying immigration is the main problem to the NHS the reason the NHS is fcuked cause of people using it who are not entitled to it.
is he lying about the above | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:56 - Apr 17 with 7027 views | D_Alien |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:53 - Apr 17 by KenBoon |
Because the blame game is boring. Tories and Lib dems have only made things worse. Poorer are poorer. Richer are richer. Wages in real-terms down. 'Recovery' based on London and a housing bubble. Their "economic recovery plan" isn't working. Stats can be spun however you like, but the facts on the ground is people in general aren't as well off. Working families demonised into the underclass. Employment stats are nonsense. Personally I feel whoever was in charge in the nought-ies would have had the same meltdown. People spent money they didn't have. Bankers were bankers. The Tories wouldn't have changed that. They're all as bad as each other... they just f**k up and screw people in different ways. |
Like you said, the blame game is boring |  |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:59 - Apr 17 with 7013 views | tazzydjr |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:28 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
If Millipeed is next PM god fcuking help us English working people god help our young British girls. its a disgrace that people are still voting for Liebour after the state they Left the country in.
question for Tazzy which party is gonna use taxpayers money(which i know doesn't affect you) to support Muslim only schools |
I certainly wont be voting for this town's UKIP, Tories or Rochdale First candidates for Rochdale as i believe it'd be giving the vote to the enemies who are infuriating our government keys to favor bills which favor their middle east friends, it'll either be heading Labour or Green Party then main election.
I'm still undecided been some pretty good debates. I still think Little Ed would be interesting but then on the toss of the coin on the #voteforpolicies.
Green Party where mainly picked followed by UKIP and Lib Dems as shown below
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:59 - Apr 17 with 7010 views | DomDale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:28 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
If Millipeed is next PM god fcuking help us English working people god help our young British girls. its a disgrace that people are still voting for Liebour after the state they Left the country in.
question for Tazzy which party is gonna use taxpayers money(which i know doesn't affect you) to support Muslim only schools |
A lot of people I know work as teachers or in the NHS so god help them if Cameron is PM I guess.
I'm not a labour supporter but the "state of the country" had a hell of a lot to do with a banking crash, didn't it? wasn't that brought about by a property bubble bursting. The same sort of property bubble Cameron's non-free market policies of subsidising folk to buy houses when really they can't actually afford them in the first place will do. But that'll win a few votes from DM readers nonetheless. Free market advocating party not free market for me.
I don't know what point you're making about taxpayers money not affecting me I pay tax on all of my earnings and receive the square root of nowt in benefits, tax credits or income support.
Muslim only schools would be much like Catholic only or CofE only faith schools, no? Except the majority of their students would be brown. And that's bad. Or something. | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:04 - Apr 17 with 6982 views | KenBoon |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:53 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
what by saying immigration is the main problem to the NHS the reason the NHS is fcuked cause of people using it who are not entitled to it.
is he lying about the above |
No I mean how he will stop the privatisation of it. He's talking rubbish and in the past has spoken about privatising it. Personally I hate how the NHS and Education are now a political tool, rather than just left to experts to manage them.
He has some fair points about immigration. It needs to be controlled because of the countries infrastructure not being able to cope. However it can be controlled by raising employment standards. Raise the minimum wage, fight against the unfair generalisation that English workers are lazy (a myth to justify exploiting cheap foreign labour) and level the playing field when it comes to getting jobs.
If someone from the EU wants to move to Britain then great, but everyone should put into their local economy and not be able to work for less than the minimum wage, spending little locally. Also when companies like Tesco only advertise jobs in European countries known for supplying cheap labour, they should be heavily fined.
I'm very pro-European, but you should contribute to where you live. When the open borders are exploited then the entire system fails. It's a European problem, not a British one. | | | |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:05 - Apr 17 with 6976 views | DomDale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:53 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
what by saying immigration is the main problem to the NHS the reason the NHS is fcuked cause of people using it who are not entitled to it.
is he lying about the above |
Without immigration there wouldn't be an NHS, not with out increasing wages to keep more of our "homegrown" talent. There are a vast amount of NHS staff who were not born in the UK. This has been the case since the NHS was set up and Churchill and the like opened the doors to the commonwealth to settle here.
Personally I'd like to see more british born individuals train here and stay to work here. But they're free to work abroad. Same as you are.
I'd agree on the point that health tourism poses an issue. But to blame all of that on labour is, frankly, nonsense. The Tories joined the EC and EU which is derided so much by ukip for mass immigration. The Tories have been in power for 5 years now, why haven't they pushed for patients to demonstrate their eligibility when recieving treatment? They do this on the continent. I know from first hand experience. The incumbent blaming every ill in the land on the predecessor is weak. | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:07 - Apr 17 with 6964 views | D_Alien |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:59 - Apr 17 by DomDale |
A lot of people I know work as teachers or in the NHS so god help them if Cameron is PM I guess.
I'm not a labour supporter but the "state of the country" had a hell of a lot to do with a banking crash, didn't it? wasn't that brought about by a property bubble bursting. The same sort of property bubble Cameron's non-free market policies of subsidising folk to buy houses when really they can't actually afford them in the first place will do. But that'll win a few votes from DM readers nonetheless. Free market advocating party not free market for me.
I don't know what point you're making about taxpayers money not affecting me I pay tax on all of my earnings and receive the square root of nowt in benefits, tax credits or income support.
Muslim only schools would be much like Catholic only or CofE only faith schools, no? Except the majority of their students would be brown. And that's bad. Or something. |
I work in the NHS and I can assure you that Miliband as PM would be the biggest disaster facing this country in our lifetimes. | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:10 - Apr 17 with 6949 views | DomDale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:07 - Apr 17 by D_Alien |
I work in the NHS and I can assure you that Miliband as PM would be the biggest disaster facing this country in our lifetimes. |
Why so?
(Genuinely interested in your view point. That's not a "why? You're wrong") | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:13 - Apr 17 with 6928 views | mightydale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:59 - Apr 17 by DomDale |
A lot of people I know work as teachers or in the NHS so god help them if Cameron is PM I guess.
I'm not a labour supporter but the "state of the country" had a hell of a lot to do with a banking crash, didn't it? wasn't that brought about by a property bubble bursting. The same sort of property bubble Cameron's non-free market policies of subsidising folk to buy houses when really they can't actually afford them in the first place will do. But that'll win a few votes from DM readers nonetheless. Free market advocating party not free market for me.
I don't know what point you're making about taxpayers money not affecting me I pay tax on all of my earnings and receive the square root of nowt in benefits, tax credits or income support.
Muslim only schools would be much like Catholic only or CofE only faith schools, no? Except the majority of their students would be brown. And that's bad. Or something. |
think you need to do research NHS spending on frontline is more than liebour ever committed fact. dont beleive what u read in papers as for teachers it was liebour who started to fuc ked our schools up.Your last paragraph am not even gonna write a reply to it, if you really think Muslim schools are like CofE Schools god have your grandkids | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:21 - Apr 17 with 6899 views | DomDale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:13 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
think you need to do research NHS spending on frontline is more than liebour ever committed fact. dont beleive what u read in papers as for teachers it was liebour who started to fuc ked our schools up.Your last paragraph am not even gonna write a reply to it, if you really think Muslim schools are like CofE Schools god have your grandkids |
Ok.i should have made this clearer. You made a comment about "working". The folk I know who work in the public sector. And they do work. Fookin hard too. Despite what the sun or daily mail might say. Haven't had a pay rise in god knows how long and had their pension raped and yet are demonised by the press. "Try working private sector" some say. I do. My employer isn't a shit one though and provides a decent environment.
The Right often criticise the Left and label socialists as envious. Smacks of hypocrisy though when private sector workers ( and the right wing pundits who comment on such issues) are quick to demonise others out of jealousy due to their enforced employee rights and better working conditions.
I don't like the idea of a faith school whatever the faith. Something akin to indoctrination in my view. If you want to be religious as an adult so be it. Don't force it on kids.
Not all Muslims are bad.
I don't have grand kids. [Post edited 17 Apr 2015 23:00]
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:22 - Apr 17 with 6898 views | mightydale |
take it this not including the people who live here illegally and use the NHS again dont believe what u read in papers | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:25 - Apr 17 with 6885 views | D_Alien |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:10 - Apr 17 by DomDale |
Why so?
(Genuinely interested in your view point. That's not a "why? You're wrong") |
Healthcare is an incredibly complex issue. The last Labour administration threw an absolute fortune at the NHS ("it's in our DNA") with 90-odd % of it wasted on managerial nonsense. Miliband has the same mindset. Forget working smarter and eliminating the disgusting amount of waste that still remains, he'll just throw more money at it without a f*cking clue what the solution might be. Money he won't be able to afford since he also hasn't got a f*cking clue how money is earned, in a world economy that's every bit as complex as the NHS itself.
I'm not claiming that the Tories have been great for the NHS - the Lansley reforms were a disaster - but at least some lessons seem to have been learned, and the DevoManc initiative is absolutely the right way forward, bringing health & social care closer together under a locally controlled budget.
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:32 - Apr 17 with 6859 views | DomDale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:25 - Apr 17 by D_Alien |
Healthcare is an incredibly complex issue. The last Labour administration threw an absolute fortune at the NHS ("it's in our DNA") with 90-odd % of it wasted on managerial nonsense. Miliband has the same mindset. Forget working smarter and eliminating the disgusting amount of waste that still remains, he'll just throw more money at it without a f*cking clue what the solution might be. Money he won't be able to afford since he also hasn't got a f*cking clue how money is earned, in a world economy that's every bit as complex as the NHS itself.
I'm not claiming that the Tories have been great for the NHS - the Lansley reforms were a disaster - but at least some lessons seem to have been learned, and the DevoManc initiative is absolutely the right way forward, bringing health & social care closer together under a locally controlled budget.
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Good post.
I'm a supporter of the arguments I've seen for locally managed budgeting for the major regions ; Gtr Manchester, Mersey side, Gtr London etc. | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:33 - Apr 17 with 6855 views | macro |
Nhs is a fiasco, friends/relatives who work in it are agreed on one thing, it's deteriorated rapidly with this government, the millions wasted, poorer service etched etc |  | | |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:39 - Apr 17 with 6839 views | D_Alien |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:32 - Apr 17 by DomDale |
Good post.
I'm a supporter of the arguments I've seen for locally managed budgeting for the major regions ; Gtr Manchester, Mersey side, Gtr London etc. |
It's a question of competence.
Where the regional infrastructure and level of co-operation between different public bodies exists, it's common sense. Where it doesn't, it's a recipe for chaos.
What's increasingly getting in the way of progress which will benefit local populations is the tawdry pettiness of political infighting between the pygmies who put themselves forward for control of local councils. Fortunately, Gtr Manchester has a track record of reasonably adult co-operation, hence the decision to push forward with much-needed reforms in our region. | |
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:43 - Apr 17 with 6823 views | D_Alien |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:33 - Apr 17 by macro |
Nhs is a fiasco, friends/relatives who work in it are agreed on one thing, it's deteriorated rapidly with this government, the millions wasted, poorer service etched etc |
Rubbish. I referred to the complexity of healthcare. Do you seriously think that the NHS as originally envisaged would be having to cope with an increasingly elderly (due to it's success in keeping people alive), obese and growing population? It's so damned easy to just moan about it going to the dogs, but the reality is it's incredibly successful in keeping pace with the demands of a population that in 1948 would have been scarcely credible.
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| Political Leaders' Debate on 23:38 - Apr 17 with 6742 views | macro |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:43 - Apr 17 by D_Alien |
Rubbish. I referred to the complexity of healthcare. Do you seriously think that the NHS as originally envisaged would be having to cope with an increasingly elderly (due to it's success in keeping people alive), obese and growing population? It's so damned easy to just moan about it going to the dogs, but the reality is it's incredibly successful in keeping pace with the demands of a population that in 1948 would have been scarcely credible.
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People left for 15 hours on Trollies, miscarriages in the corridor, people dying in queued ambulances outside, mental health patients not getting their medication and that was just one hospital yesterday featured on radio 5. You're burying your head in the sand if you think the nhs is in decent shape. The nhs is a fiasco | | | |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 01:44 - Apr 18 with 6682 views | Shun |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 21:53 - Apr 17 by mightydale |
what by saying immigration is the main problem to the NHS the reason the NHS is fcuked cause of people using it who are not entitled to it.
is he lying about the above |
The notion of 'health tourism' that Farage seems to be trying to bring up isn't anywhere near as big as a problem as he makes out. It takes up something minuscule like 0.01% of the NHS budget.
It's not something that's widely talked about outside the healthcare industry but the number of British people training to become GPs is reducing every year and is a real concern, so I do wonder where we'd be without foreign doctors coming in. |  | | |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 08:52 - Apr 18 with 6578 views | flyerdale |
| Political Leaders' Debate on 22:43 - Apr 17 by D_Alien |
Rubbish. I referred to the complexity of healthcare. Do you seriously think that the NHS as originally envisaged would be having to cope with an increasingly elderly (due to it's success in keeping people alive), obese and growing population? It's so damned easy to just moan about it going to the dogs, but the reality is it's incredibly successful in keeping pace with the demands of a population that in 1948 would have been scarcely credible.
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As a very regular 'customer' of the NHS the last decade or so, the decine in services has dramatically fallen and services are now run on a skeleton like service staffing wise. The nurses are stressed out and hardly have time to take a break these days due to their workload. The waiting times for surgery have increased and the level of social care is at breaking point, my sister works in the community for the NHS and is expected to carry out a full time jobs workload in part time hours resulting in her working hours without pay.
Its a shambles and always will be under any Tory government. |  | | |
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