| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 15:07 - Feb 16 with 1596 views | Ponderosa |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 15:51 - Feb 16 with 1542 views | Batterseajack |
Absolutely despicable, just when i thought they couldn't sink any lower, they manage it. Who knows where this will end up.
The whole middle east is a bigger mess than it ever was and it seems we're powerless to do anything about it. Bombing them seems like the inevitable solution, but that hasn't exactly worked in the past. Past surgical bombing strategies always turn into seemingly indiscriminate bombing off civilian areas if the intelligence is no good. I don't see why it wouldn't be any different this time. |  | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 16:33 - Feb 16 with 1520 views | dgt73 |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 11:08 - Feb 16 by Lord_Bony |
Libya was once a prosperous civilized country. The real reason Gadaffi was overthrown is a long story but it is linked to gold Dina's,private oil borches,petro dollars,oil etc etc.
We and especially the U.S. Helped fund and train these people to overthrow both the regimes of Libya and Syria. We hailed them as heroes and freedom fighters at the time.Hell we were ready to go into Syria and fight alongside them and Al Queda in order to get Assad out....luckily parliament voted against it at the last minute.
We did nt think they would form an army big enough to take on entire countries afterwards.
Now since they have turned their guns on us,a lot of which we supplied in the west,one year later we no longer call them our freedom fighter friends...we now call them terrorists.
The whole thing is seriously screwed up. |
Yes Gadaffi wanted to use gold as a currency (global) and this would have put the global currency (u.s dollar) at risk and the Americans were never going to let that happen. [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 17:20]
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 16:35 - Feb 16 with 1513 views | shimmie |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 13:43 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Its not bollox you just don't agree.
It is nothing to do with religion, it is more of a cult. They have put their own spin on a religion and are fighting for control and power - not religion.
As for why people join... Why did people join in with the London riots? Do you think they were all actually doing it for one sole reason? They were doing it because they have nothing in their lives and have free reign to go wild. [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 13:47]
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I dont agree with you because you're wrong. They are not following a cult, but I reality all religion is a form of cult, but that is my opinion.
they are following the teachings of the (child molesting) prophet Muhammed via the text in the quran to the letter. This is everything to do with religion. As the 21 Christians, (who were slaughtered because THEY FOLLOW A DIFFERENT RELIGION) would probably agree with, but they can't.
I was there throughout the London riots, and the reason people did what they did is that people can be c*nts. They didn't give a f*ck about the absolute c&nt of a bloke that mark duggan was, they did it because they could. What comparison between the riots and IS is completely beyond me. | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 16:57 - Feb 16 with 1496 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 16:35 - Feb 16 by shimmie |
I dont agree with you because you're wrong. They are not following a cult, but I reality all religion is a form of cult, but that is my opinion.
they are following the teachings of the (child molesting) prophet Muhammed via the text in the quran to the letter. This is everything to do with religion. As the 21 Christians, (who were slaughtered because THEY FOLLOW A DIFFERENT RELIGION) would probably agree with, but they can't.
I was there throughout the London riots, and the reason people did what they did is that people can be c*nts. They didn't give a f*ck about the absolute c&nt of a bloke that mark duggan was, they did it because they could. What comparison between the riots and IS is completely beyond me. |
Again, I am not wrong you just disagree - which is fine.
This is not about religion. It is about a caliphate, which in the name of religion ca rally thousands to get behind its cause. I assume you also think the crusades were about religion too?
The comparison with the London riots was in response to asking why people would join if not for religious reasons. People are anarchists by nature. If there is a chance to act up, then many people will. This "cause" has given some people purpose to their lives and feel they are fighting for a just cause.
But that cause isn't religion, it is power. |  |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:18 - Feb 16 with 1475 views | Aquinas |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 16:57 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Again, I am not wrong you just disagree - which is fine.
This is not about religion. It is about a caliphate, which in the name of religion ca rally thousands to get behind its cause. I assume you also think the crusades were about religion too?
The comparison with the London riots was in response to asking why people would join if not for religious reasons. People are anarchists by nature. If there is a chance to act up, then many people will. This "cause" has given some people purpose to their lives and feel they are fighting for a just cause.
But that cause isn't religion, it is power. |
You're making yourself out to be a bit thick (not for the first time).
A caliphate is 'an Islamic government under a caliph'. A 'caliph' is considered to a successor to the prophet Mohammed and a leader of the Muslim community. |  | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:20 - Feb 16 with 1471 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:18 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
You're making yourself out to be a bit thick (not for the first time).
A caliphate is 'an Islamic government under a caliph'. A 'caliph' is considered to a successor to the prophet Mohammed and a leader of the Muslim community. |
Right. And that is making me look thick because you cant understand the point being made? And not for the first time it seems.
All you have to do is ask.
The Church of England was created with religious ideologies. I guess you believe that its founding is religion rather than power then? [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 17:21]
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:27 - Feb 16 with 1455 views | shimmie |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 16:57 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Again, I am not wrong you just disagree - which is fine.
This is not about religion. It is about a caliphate, which in the name of religion ca rally thousands to get behind its cause. I assume you also think the crusades were about religion too?
The comparison with the London riots was in response to asking why people would join if not for religious reasons. People are anarchists by nature. If there is a chance to act up, then many people will. This "cause" has given some people purpose to their lives and feel they are fighting for a just cause.
But that cause isn't religion, it is power. |
Of course I think the crusades were about religion, maybe not the religion that provides hope to millions and a framework (usually based on fear) to live by, but religion all the same. Those who joined the crusades were promised forgiveness for all sins, those who joined the IS jihad are promised entry into paradise. It's all clearly f&cking nonsense but all religiously motivated.
Hear the accounts given by female Kurds involved in the fighting in Northern Iraq. As soon as they see their enemy is female and there is a chance of being killed by a female (thus being refused entry into paradise) they immediately retreat.
It's all religiously motivated. All of it. | | | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:33 - Feb 16 with 1442 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:27 - Feb 16 by shimmie |
Of course I think the crusades were about religion, maybe not the religion that provides hope to millions and a framework (usually based on fear) to live by, but religion all the same. Those who joined the crusades were promised forgiveness for all sins, those who joined the IS jihad are promised entry into paradise. It's all clearly f&cking nonsense but all religiously motivated.
Hear the accounts given by female Kurds involved in the fighting in Northern Iraq. As soon as they see their enemy is female and there is a chance of being killed by a female (thus being refused entry into paradise) they immediately retreat.
It's all religiously motivated. All of it. |
Then again we disagree wholeheartedly.
The church was created to have control over the masses. It is not a religious base, it is disguised as religion. The Christian faith is based on the Egyptian faith. Is it a direct lifting of a religion even down to the 10 commandments being taken from the Egyptian book of the dead... Yet this religion was created years before Christianity.
All religions are the same. It is a human created thesis to make sense of why we are here and who created is, that was then taken on for control and power. ISIS are doing what they are doing to take control of land and power under the guise of religious radicalism.
The basis has nothing to do with religion. | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:35 - Feb 16 with 1438 views | Aquinas |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:20 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Right. And that is making me look thick because you cant understand the point being made? And not for the first time it seems.
All you have to do is ask.
The Church of England was created with religious ideologies. I guess you believe that its founding is religion rather than power then? [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 17:21]
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The CofE was set up by Henry Viii who was one of the most powerful people in the world after the Pope refused to grant a divorce, so yeah, it was founded on power probably. But what has the C of E got to do with ISIS?
ISIS is run by Islamic nutters who's overriding objective is to impose their God's law on the land. Whenever there are atrocities you will always hear 'allahu akbar'.
How you think the driving force behind ISIS is anything other than hatred in the name of religion is beyond me.
Russia attacking Ukraine is driven by power. ISIS attacking Christians is driven by religious views. | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:39 - Feb 16 with 1429 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:35 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
The CofE was set up by Henry Viii who was one of the most powerful people in the world after the Pope refused to grant a divorce, so yeah, it was founded on power probably. But what has the C of E got to do with ISIS?
ISIS is run by Islamic nutters who's overriding objective is to impose their God's law on the land. Whenever there are atrocities you will always hear 'allahu akbar'.
How you think the driving force behind ISIS is anything other than hatred in the name of religion is beyond me.
Russia attacking Ukraine is driven by power. ISIS attacking Christians is driven by religious views. |
Im comparing religious bases. No religion was created for anything other than control and power apart from spiritual religion which is more a zen and earth like philosophy, similar in that respect to paganism.
You are stereotyping by saying ISIS is run by religious nutters, in fact is is in all likelihood far from it. The fighters are a mix of religious nutters and psychopaths, ill give you that much. But the movement is for power and control, that is why they wish to create a caliphate and get world wide recognition. They are creating fear, and its working.
They are now one of the richest "terrorist" organisations in the world. | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:39 - Feb 16 with 1429 views | Aquinas |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:33 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Then again we disagree wholeheartedly.
The church was created to have control over the masses. It is not a religious base, it is disguised as religion. The Christian faith is based on the Egyptian faith. Is it a direct lifting of a religion even down to the 10 commandments being taken from the Egyptian book of the dead... Yet this religion was created years before Christianity.
All religions are the same. It is a human created thesis to make sense of why we are here and who created is, that was then taken on for control and power. ISIS are doing what they are doing to take control of land and power under the guise of religious radicalism.
The basis has nothing to do with religion. |
So Ahmed from Luton is going to fight for ISIS because he really wants to take control of random towns in Libya?
Rather than Ahmed from Luton is going to fight for ISIS because he wants to impose his religion's law on non-believers and his holy book tells him that all kuffars should be punished? | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:43 - Feb 16 with 1422 views | Aquinas |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:39 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Im comparing religious bases. No religion was created for anything other than control and power apart from spiritual religion which is more a zen and earth like philosophy, similar in that respect to paganism.
You are stereotyping by saying ISIS is run by religious nutters, in fact is is in all likelihood far from it. The fighters are a mix of religious nutters and psychopaths, ill give you that much. But the movement is for power and control, that is why they wish to create a caliphate and get world wide recognition. They are creating fear, and its working.
They are now one of the richest "terrorist" organisations in the world. |
They're so rich that they are trying to get ransoms?
Once again, a caliphate is entirely based on imposing Islamic law.
If you're going to keep saying ISIS aren't driven by religion then stop mentioning a caliphate. | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:44 - Feb 16 with 1420 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:39 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
So Ahmed from Luton is going to fight for ISIS because he really wants to take control of random towns in Libya?
Rather than Ahmed from Luton is going to fight for ISIS because he wants to impose his religion's law on non-believers and his holy book tells him that all kuffars should be punished? |
You are looking at this in a very shallow capacity.
If there was no ISIS would "Ahmed from Luton" be going to Syria to kill people? No.
He is going because there is an organisation recruiting people to take part in their scheme. That scheme is not based on religion but power the same as Boko Haram are doing in Africa.
So as i said the "fighters" are made up of a mix of religious nutters and psychopaths, carrying out the work for people who wish to spread fear and thus take control of land, oil and self appointed power.... All under the guise of religion. | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:55 - Feb 16 with 1408 views | Batterseajack |
I honestly don't know what your arguing with Shimmie about. On the face of it you now agree with him. For all intensive purposes for this discussion, Religion or organised religion are the same right, and the differences are hardly worth derailing a thread | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:58 - Feb 16 with 1286 views | Aquinas |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:44 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
You are looking at this in a very shallow capacity.
If there was no ISIS would "Ahmed from Luton" be going to Syria to kill people? No.
He is going because there is an organisation recruiting people to take part in their scheme. That scheme is not based on religion but power the same as Boko Haram are doing in Africa.
So as i said the "fighters" are made up of a mix of religious nutters and psychopaths, carrying out the work for people who wish to spread fear and thus take control of land, oil and self appointed power.... All under the guise of religion. |
Maybe not Syria, but young british muslims have been going abroad to fight against the west/for their religion for decades.
People are going to fight for ISIS because of the opportunity to become part of a community which is governed by Islamic law.
Hence why they want to impose Sharia law in this country. Watch any video of a speech given by an extremist and they will mention wanting to live by islamic law and they are committing their crimes in the name of Allah. | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:00 - Feb 16 with 1285 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:55 - Feb 16 by Batterseajack |
I honestly don't know what your arguing with Shimmie about. On the face of it you now agree with him. For all intensive purposes for this discussion, Religion or organised religion are the same right, and the differences are hardly worth derailing a thread |
Im not arguing with anybody. And you do realise this is my thread don't you?
I haven't taken umbrage with anybodies post people are entitled to their own opinion. They have taken umbrage with mine. Im often stunned by the amount of people that read a thread and see a derailing at a point that doesn't exist anyone would think my username is an easy target.
And no, I disagree with Shimmie and explained the reasons why. | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:02 - Feb 16 with 1284 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:43 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
They're so rich that they are trying to get ransoms?
Once again, a caliphate is entirely based on imposing Islamic law.
If you're going to keep saying ISIS aren't driven by religion then stop mentioning a caliphate. |
You think they are asking for ransoms to be funded?
Holy smokes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/how-isis-became-the-wealthie | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:04 - Feb 16 with 1282 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 17:58 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
Maybe not Syria, but young british muslims have been going abroad to fight against the west/for their religion for decades.
People are going to fight for ISIS because of the opportunity to become part of a community which is governed by Islamic law.
Hence why they want to impose Sharia law in this country. Watch any video of a speech given by an extremist and they will mention wanting to live by islamic law and they are committing their crimes in the name of Allah. |
Again you aren't looking any deeper than the surface.
If i wanted to takeover England because I wanted to rule both Wales and England and garnered support by suggesting that by fighting for me then a great heaven will open and everyone will ascend into heaven.
Is the reason for the takeover religious or power based? | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:07 - Feb 16 with 1275 views | Aquinas |
Firstly, no.
That article is from September of last year. ISIS has been considerably weakened since then. They have lost a huge amount of land which has depleted their income from oil considerably. Air strikes have also crippled their infrastructure.
If they didn't want money they wouldn't have asked for a ransom.
I doubt if Billy Gates decided to take hostages he would ask for money. | | | |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:12 - Feb 16 with 1266 views | Aquinas |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:04 - Feb 16 by Parlay |
Again you aren't looking any deeper than the surface.
If i wanted to takeover England because I wanted to rule both Wales and England and garnered support by suggesting that by fighting for me then a great heaven will open and everyone will ascend into heaven.
Is the reason for the takeover religious or power based? |
Your scenario suggests that it would be you who rules 'both Wales and England'. That is completely missing the point.
There is not one singular human leader of ISIS, it is an islamic movement in the name of Allah. ISIS want God and his law to rule the territories they are fighting for not a human being.
Are you e actually David Icke and just love a good conspiracy theory despite all evidence pointing to the contrary of your view? [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 18:13]
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:13 - Feb 16 with 1265 views | Flashberryjack |
You're the f*cking tool. |  |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:20 - Feb 16 with 1258 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:07 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
Firstly, no.
That article is from September of last year. ISIS has been considerably weakened since then. They have lost a huge amount of land which has depleted their income from oil considerably. Air strikes have also crippled their infrastructure.
If they didn't want money they wouldn't have asked for a ransom.
I doubt if Billy Gates decided to take hostages he would ask for money. |
6 months ago you mean? Air strikes have barely made a difference. Their territory has increased not rescinded. They are now 500 miles from Europe and are the richest terrorist group on history.
You are continuing to look at things and take them as face value. Without sounding facetious please allow me to expand on terrorists and demands for money in ransom form.
Once a hostage is taken, they will either use the hostage to barter for the release of their own for strategic gain or indeed to weaken the opposition by asking for money.
For example, they had a Japanese hostage and asked for $100 million i think. As a result of an obvious non payment they killed the hostage and the blame then put on the Japanese president who then faces the embarrassing situation of having blood on his hands and the accusing eyes of the Japanese public shift to their own government.
It is not for money. | |
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:22 - Feb 16 with 1255 views | Parlay |
| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 18:12 - Feb 16 by Aquinas |
Your scenario suggests that it would be you who rules 'both Wales and England'. That is completely missing the point.
There is not one singular human leader of ISIS, it is an islamic movement in the name of Allah. ISIS want God and his law to rule the territories they are fighting for not a human being.
Are you e actually David Icke and just love a good conspiracy theory despite all evidence pointing to the contrary of your view? [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 18:13]
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Thats not true, there are individuals and a hierarchy in place. Here it is mused who is behind the caliphate http://www.globalresearch.ca/going-after-the-islamic-state/5401439.
Nobody knows which is why it makes them so dangerous. We do not have a playing card hierarchy of most wanted unlike the Al-Qaida organisation.
No i am not David Icke. Every evidence points to exactly what I'm saying rather than the opposite. [Post edited 16 Feb 2015 18:23]
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| ISIS behead 21 Christians. on 19:23 - Feb 16 with 1219 views | controversial_jack |
Religion is a faith, a belief. ISIS is a cult | | | |
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