| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk 13:24 - Nov 17 with 4408 views | Field_Of_Dreams_II |
Which is the best captain to have played for us?
For me Ash has to just edge it, an immense player & captain of Wales, a proper leader.
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 13:32 - Nov 17 with 3192 views | Neath_Jack |
Ability wise would be Ash, as a leader would be Monk.
I wouldn't have Ash as captain myself, not for us and certainly not for Wales. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 13:41 - Nov 17 with 3169 views | Darran |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 13:32 - Nov 17 by Neath_Jack |
Ability wise would be Ash, as a leader would be Monk.
I wouldn't have Ash as captain myself, not for us and certainly not for Wales. |
I agree I can't imagine Williams coping with the captaincy in the lower leagues like Monk did he'd be storming off in a huff. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:09 - Nov 17 with 3111 views | union_jack |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 13:41 - Nov 17 by Darran |
I agree I can't imagine Williams coping with the captaincy in the lower leagues like Monk did he'd be storming off in a huff. |
Yes, I'm with you and Neath on this. I don't believe he is a great captain. There are times when the team need leading, when things aren't going as they should and crying out for leadership, encouragement, bollockings etc. but he remains too silent. Not a great fan tbh (as a captain that is). |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:29 - Nov 17 with 3082 views | MagicDaps |
Ash is a great captain, he leads by example and is certainly capable of organising the defence and he's not afraid of giving anyone a bollocking.
Who exactly would people want to be captain if not Ash? Nobody else is nearly as vocal as him. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:34 - Nov 17 with 3075 views | swancity |
Both great captains and leaders but Martinez would edge them both out as the very best of the lot. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:36 - Nov 17 with 3072 views | Swan91 |
I would say monk.
My only problem with williams was when things were going bad he didnt seem like the leader type. He looked depressed and didnt seem to try to sort the team out. On a good day though he is a good captain.
I would say monk only because he was captain for us through alot of things. But i would say its hard to compare because they are 2 different types of captains. | | | |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:37 - Nov 17 with 3068 views | DafyddHuw |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:34 - Nov 17 by swancity |
Both great captains and leaders but Martinez would edge them both out as the very best of the lot. |
Beat me to it.
Neither of the OP's choices anywhere near Martinez |  | | |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 16:11 - Nov 17 with 2975 views | union_jack |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:36 - Nov 17 by Swan91 |
I would say monk.
My only problem with williams was when things were going bad he didnt seem like the leader type. He looked depressed and didnt seem to try to sort the team out. On a good day though he is a good captain.
I would say monk only because he was captain for us through alot of things. But i would say its hard to compare because they are 2 different types of captains. |
Everyone can be a good captain on a good day! It's when the sh1t starts hitting the fan that a good leader shows his credentials. IMO, Williams tends to duck under the parapet. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 16:31 - Nov 17 with 2949 views | swancity |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 16:11 - Nov 17 by union_jack |
Everyone can be a good captain on a good day! It's when the sh1t starts hitting the fan that a good leader shows his credentials. IMO, Williams tends to duck under the parapet. |
Dont be so silly. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 17:12 - Nov 17 with 2900 views | union_jack |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 16:31 - Nov 17 by swancity |
Dont be so silly. |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 19:02 - Nov 17 with 2837 views | ItchySphincter |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 14:34 - Nov 17 by swancity |
Both great captains and leaders but Martinez would edge them both out as the very best of the lot. |
Nah,...... Monk.
We were always better with him in the side and it's not because he was a better player. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 19:08 - Nov 17 with 2827 views | PozuelosSideys |
You should always choose your best players to put on the field, and then choose your captain out of them. Therefore its Williams on the basis its been at a consistent PL level.
Monk is a better leader of people though. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 19:31 - Nov 17 with 2798 views | swancity |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 17:12 - Nov 17 by union_jack |
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Your remark that Williams tends to duck under the parapet is too silly for words.
Committed, a leader of men, and a battler who will not shirk his responsibility in any way shape or form and has enjoyed proving people wrong, like Monk in fact.
Williams was told he want good enough to make it as a professional if you recall and is now one of the most consistent defenders in the best league in the world. That says much about him. It is those fighting qualities that he takes onto the field with him every time he plays and his natural leadership qualities are there for all to see. All qualities which help him become a great captain in fact.
As for ducking under parapets? As I said dont be so silly mun. Get a grip. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:00 - Nov 17 with 2762 views | union_jack |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 19:31 - Nov 17 by swancity |
Your remark that Williams tends to duck under the parapet is too silly for words.
Committed, a leader of men, and a battler who will not shirk his responsibility in any way shape or form and has enjoyed proving people wrong, like Monk in fact.
Williams was told he want good enough to make it as a professional if you recall and is now one of the most consistent defenders in the best league in the world. That says much about him. It is those fighting qualities that he takes onto the field with him every time he plays and his natural leadership qualities are there for all to see. All qualities which help him become a great captain in fact.
As for ducking under parapets? As I said dont be so silly mun. Get a grip. |
So from this, I take it you don't agree with my opinion?
His ability is not (necessarily) in question. Has come on leaps and bounds.
Can I suggest you look at him in a game and see how much he rallies the troops especially when we are flagging. He can go missing as a leader.
I have a firm grip thank-you, but thanks for the advice.  | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:11 - Nov 17 with 2750 views | swancity |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:00 - Nov 17 by union_jack |
So from this, I take it you don't agree with my opinion?
His ability is not (necessarily) in question. Has come on leaps and bounds.
Can I suggest you look at him in a game and see how much he rallies the troops especially when we are flagging. He can go missing as a leader.
I have a firm grip thank-you, but thanks for the advice. |
Sorry to tell you that you are talking out of that small hole in your rear end
My previous comments all show how determined an individual he is. That desire to succeed is always evident and it's something that helps him become a great leader of men on the pitch. He is one player that will not duck out of anything,much like Monk. it's why the two of them formed such a formidable partnership. He leads by example and that's one quality needed from a good captain. Would you want him on your side in the trenches? Of course you would.
As for rallying troops when we are flagging, watch the next game with your eyes wide open instead of closed. Re-watch the last two games v Arsenal and Belgium for starters. With eyes open. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:30 - Nov 17 with 2723 views | Drizzy |
Swancity is absolutely bang on in this thread. The myth that Williams isn't a leader has been perpetuated by a minority of fans who, for some bizarre reason, don't like him as a person due to his irrelevant musings on twitter or his body language.
Mind you these are the kind of people, like Dr. Winston O'Boogie-Woogie, who genuinely thought Jose Manuel Flores was a better defender than Ash and believed Jose Canas to be the next coming of Claude Makelele. Eejits. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:35 - Nov 17 with 2716 views | Darran |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:30 - Nov 17 by Drizzy |
Swancity is absolutely bang on in this thread. The myth that Williams isn't a leader has been perpetuated by a minority of fans who, for some bizarre reason, don't like him as a person due to his irrelevant musings on twitter or his body language.
Mind you these are the kind of people, like Dr. Winston O'Boogie-Woogie, who genuinely thought Jose Manuel Flores was a better defender than Ash and believed Jose Canas to be the next coming of Claude Makelele. Eejits. |
Drizzy this is a serious question I promise you I'm not goading you.
Do you see when watching on the Internet the amount of times Williams loses it? [Post edited 17 Nov 2014 20:42]
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:41 - Nov 17 with 2704 views | swancity |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:35 - Nov 17 by Darran |
Drizzy this is a serious question I promise you I'm not goading you.
Do you see when watching on the Internet the amount of times Williams loses it? [Post edited 17 Nov 2014 20:42]
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:44 - Nov 17 with 2691 views | Darran |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:41 - Nov 17 by swancity |
Have you been drinking again scruff |
Look stop being a pr*ck for once,Williams is one of the greatest players ever to pull on the shirt,he'd run through a brick wall and he's a good captain but please don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:47 - Nov 17 with 2683 views | swancity |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:44 - Nov 17 by Darran |
Look stop being a pr*ck for once,Williams is one of the greatest players ever to pull on the shirt,he'd run through a brick wall and he's a good captain but please don't pretend you don't know what I'm talking about. |
So you have been drinking. I thought so. Who you calling prick, prick. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:48 - Nov 17 with 2679 views | Darran |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:47 - Nov 17 by swancity |
So you have been drinking. I thought so. Who you calling prick, prick. |
Goodbye. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:55 - Nov 17 with 2665 views | C_jack |
At times, Garry was a better leader on the pitch, than he was a player.
Ash will always be a better player, than a leader. |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:59 - Nov 17 with 2653 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:48 - Nov 17 by Darran |
Goodbye. |
Ban the baldy c*nt, Darran |  |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 21:02 - Nov 17 with 2647 views | swancity |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 20:59 - Nov 17 by Brynmill_Jack |
Ban the baldy c*nt, Darran |
He probably will now, and he is the clown who is slowly putting an end to planetswans with all his nonsense. | |
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| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 21:02 - Nov 17 with 2640 views | Jackfath |
| Ashley Williams or Garry Monk on 21:02 - Nov 17 by swancity |
He probably will now, and he is the clown who is slowly putting an end to planetswans with all his nonsense. |
Agreed. He's ruining it. |  |
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