| Davies to Spurs?.. on 10:45 - Jul 1 with 2327 views | Neath_Jack |
I have no idea of the transfer fees being spoken about, but talks are on-going and he is keen to go to Spurs, another club has got involved now as well though. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 10:52 - Jul 1 with 2303 views | Darran |
Bens a very good player but based on a lot of last season he's clearly still got a lot to learn,he wants to be careful he doesn't become another Richard Duffy. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:02 - Jul 1 with 2282 views | AnotherJohn |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 10:52 - Jul 1 by Darran |
Bens a very good player but based on a lot of last season he's clearly still got a lot to learn,he wants to be careful he doesn't become another Richard Duffy. |
I'm still trying to work out Darren's earlier remark about Huw (who is indeed one to respect). Is Daz saying that Huw is too shrewd to sell Ben for 8 million, or is it rather that Ben must only be worth 8 million if that is what Huw is proposing? Much as I bow to Huw's superior judgement about most things, I will be gutted if we unload for under 10 m. With the other stories about likely bids surfacing, Huw should forget about talking to Levy, period. |  | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:08 - Jul 1 with 2263 views | Darran |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:02 - Jul 1 by AnotherJohn |
I'm still trying to work out Darren's earlier remark about Huw (who is indeed one to respect). Is Daz saying that Huw is too shrewd to sell Ben for 8 million, or is it rather that Ben must only be worth 8 million if that is what Huw is proposing? Much as I bow to Huw's superior judgement about most things, I will be gutted if we unload for under 10 m. With the other stories about likely bids surfacing, Huw should forget about talking to Levy, period. |
I was saying Huws too shrewd. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:28 - Jul 1 with 2199 views | ScoobyWho |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 15:51 - Jun 29 by MattG |
"Davies is also ready to move on to continue his development and is keen on the switch to White Hart Lane where he will earn ten times the salary he is currently on at the Liberty Stadium.
The former Swansea apprentice was on as little as £400-a-week when he broke into the first team two years ago, before he signed a new contract that quadrupled his earnings just under two years ago."
So we're paying Ben just £1600 a week? If that's true then we don't deserve to keep him. |
Yeah, but it's not true is it. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:36 - Jul 1 with 2153 views | Darran |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:28 - Jul 1 by ScoobyWho |
Yeah, but it's not true is it. |
It was in the paper mun. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:39 - Jul 1 with 2142 views | MattG |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:28 - Jul 1 by ScoobyWho |
Yeah, but it's not true is it. |
Others have suggested not, which is fine.
In any case, my point was that IF it was true then it should be no surprise and we could have no real complaint that he'd look positively at an approach (and the associated wage increase) from Spurs.
All little more than paper talk, at the moment in any case - just have to wait and see. |  | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:55 - Jul 1 with 2112 views | Neath_Jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:39 - Jul 1 by MattG |
Others have suggested not, which is fine.
In any case, my point was that IF it was true then it should be no surprise and we could have no real complaint that he'd look positively at an approach (and the associated wage increase) from Spurs.
All little more than paper talk, at the moment in any case - just have to wait and see. |
Spurs are a massive club, i don't believe wages would be the factor that turns his head.
Its not paper talk, the only thing up for debate is the figures that are being bandied about how much he will go for. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:59 - Jul 1 with 2092 views | ScoobyWho |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:36 - Jul 1 by Darran |
It was in the paper mun. |
Ah, the paper, of course. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:04 - Jul 1 with 2072 views | Tom1912 |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 11:55 - Jul 1 by Neath_Jack |
Spurs are a massive club, i don't believe wages would be the factor that turns his head.
Its not paper talk, the only thing up for debate is the figures that are being bandied about how much he will go for. |
No one from either club has commented yet so how is it not still paper talk at the moment? | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:10 - Jul 1 with 2051 views | Neath_Jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:04 - Jul 1 by Tom1912 |
No one from either club has commented yet so how is it not still paper talk at the moment? |
Ok, I'm completely making everything up in this thread, because i want attention. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:33 - Jul 1 with 1953 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:10 - Jul 1 by Neath_Jack |
Ok, I'm completely making everything up in this thread, because i want attention. |
I think I'm alone in my thinking on this one.
The way I see it, is that we have 2 quality left backs and some other positions in the squad where we need quality added.
We may have therefore made a decision to 'cash in' on one of the left backs since it appears that we can't really continue to keep both of them happy. We perhaps don't believe that one of the left backs is so much worse than the other that it would hinder our own performance in the league and so will cash in on the one where we can raise more money which I would imagine is Davies rather than Taylor.
I personally, and this is where I think I may be alone, thought that Ben, although obviously very talented, was a real weakness in our back line at times last year - a lot of goals seemed to me at least to come from him being out of position, or being unable to prevent balls coming across from that flank.
I, as much as anyone, like the idea of local players in our team, but I think that Ben gets away without too much criticism because of him being 'one of ours'.
If we do sell him, then I imagine that Huw and the board will get as much as they think they can. Not saying we will sell, but just thinking that may be the thinking. I personally, really believe we need a new centre back as a priority and also a new right back (love Rangel, but he was getting noticeably slower last season) and maybe we will see some spending in that area. All just opinions of course - who knows how it will all pan out. | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:37 - Jul 1 with 1936 views | Darran |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:10 - Jul 1 by Neath_Jack |
Ok, I'm completely making everything up in this thread, because i want attention. |
Thought so. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:51 - Jul 1 with 1859 views | Neath_Jack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:37 - Jul 1 by Darran |
Thought so. |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:55 - Jul 1 with 1835 views | Uxbridge |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:33 - Jul 1 by londonlisa2001 |
I think I'm alone in my thinking on this one.
The way I see it, is that we have 2 quality left backs and some other positions in the squad where we need quality added.
We may have therefore made a decision to 'cash in' on one of the left backs since it appears that we can't really continue to keep both of them happy. We perhaps don't believe that one of the left backs is so much worse than the other that it would hinder our own performance in the league and so will cash in on the one where we can raise more money which I would imagine is Davies rather than Taylor.
I personally, and this is where I think I may be alone, thought that Ben, although obviously very talented, was a real weakness in our back line at times last year - a lot of goals seemed to me at least to come from him being out of position, or being unable to prevent balls coming across from that flank.
I, as much as anyone, like the idea of local players in our team, but I think that Ben gets away without too much criticism because of him being 'one of ours'.
If we do sell him, then I imagine that Huw and the board will get as much as they think they can. Not saying we will sell, but just thinking that may be the thinking. I personally, really believe we need a new centre back as a priority and also a new right back (love Rangel, but he was getting noticeably slower last season) and maybe we will see some spending in that area. All just opinions of course - who knows how it will all pan out. |
If we're going to cash in on one, I'd rather it wasn't the first team regular.
Don't quite buy the "local boy gets free ride from crowd" argument either. Historically the locals have had it much worse as I'm sure the likes of Coates and O'Leary could testify. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:59 - Jul 1 with 1814 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:55 - Jul 1 by Uxbridge |
If we're going to cash in on one, I'd rather it wasn't the first team regular.
Don't quite buy the "local boy gets free ride from crowd" argument either. Historically the locals have had it much worse as I'm sure the likes of Coates and O'Leary could testify. |
to be fair, it wouldn't have mattered where Coates came from :-)
As I said, I think I'm probably on my own in not really getting the Ben love-in - I would play Taylor over him every time, but obviously realise that most wouldn't. | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:00 - Jul 1 with 1808 views | MattG |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:10 - Jul 1 by Neath_Jack |
Ok, I'm completely making everything up in this thread, because i want attention. |
With respect, just because you say something doesn't mean the rest of us have to take it as gospel. You may well have some ITK information that you can't or don't wish to share with us which is fair enough, however without some substance to your claims, they are, if anything, worth even less than paper talk.
With respect, as I say. | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:06 - Jul 1 with 1789 views | Uxbridge |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:59 - Jul 1 by londonlisa2001 |
to be fair, it wouldn't have mattered where Coates came from :-)
As I said, I think I'm probably on my own in not really getting the Ben love-in - I would play Taylor over him every time, but obviously realise that most wouldn't. |
Well ... there was a time when this very thread could have taken place for young Coatesy. Oh how different things could have been for him.
Ben's a much better player for me, but s'all opinions of course. Given selection last season the club seem to agree with me, which is why I find it strange that there seems an acceptance to let him go and replace with a player they would only put into the team in an absolute emergency. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:16 - Jul 1 with 1745 views | Drizzy |
£10m is a massive fee for Ben and it would be smart business to accept. That's our estimated transfer budget increased by 50% immediately. Equally as damaging as under-selling players is holding to them for too long. The same band of people saying there's no need to accept anything less than ridiculous money were saying the same about Michu when there were talks of £20m+ bids and look how that turned out.
Just because we have lots of money doesn't mean we shouldn't be smart with it. Take care of the pennies...
Oh and for the record, Livermore is quality young central midfielder which is a position much more valued than full-back. £8m is a tad steep but that's only because he's English. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:17 - Jul 1 with 1741 views | Daggyjack |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:06 - Jul 1 by Uxbridge |
Well ... there was a time when this very thread could have taken place for young Coatesy. Oh how different things could have been for him.
Ben's a much better player for me, but s'all opinions of course. Given selection last season the club seem to agree with me, which is why I find it strange that there seems an acceptance to let him go and replace with a player they would only put into the team in an absolute emergency. |
I wouldn't say that Taylor was used only as an emergency. He was one of the mainstay's of our defence in the first season and is a better defender than Ben at present.
I would have no concerns about playing Taylor and selling Ben (at the right price, which I'm sure Huw will do).
It may be that we get £8 million + Siggy in loan for the season included in the deal (meaning we don't buy JDG). We may get another LB in (Alonso?). Spurs may not offer enough and we turn it down. Whatever happens, I'm pretty confident that Huw knows what he's doing. |  | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:18 - Jul 1 with 1733 views | monmouth |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 12:33 - Jul 1 by londonlisa2001 |
I think I'm alone in my thinking on this one.
The way I see it, is that we have 2 quality left backs and some other positions in the squad where we need quality added.
We may have therefore made a decision to 'cash in' on one of the left backs since it appears that we can't really continue to keep both of them happy. We perhaps don't believe that one of the left backs is so much worse than the other that it would hinder our own performance in the league and so will cash in on the one where we can raise more money which I would imagine is Davies rather than Taylor.
I personally, and this is where I think I may be alone, thought that Ben, although obviously very talented, was a real weakness in our back line at times last year - a lot of goals seemed to me at least to come from him being out of position, or being unable to prevent balls coming across from that flank.
I, as much as anyone, like the idea of local players in our team, but I think that Ben gets away without too much criticism because of him being 'one of ours'.
If we do sell him, then I imagine that Huw and the board will get as much as they think they can. Not saying we will sell, but just thinking that may be the thinking. I personally, really believe we need a new centre back as a priority and also a new right back (love Rangel, but he was getting noticeably slower last season) and maybe we will see some spending in that area. All just opinions of course - who knows how it will all pan out. |
Totally agree with the thrust of this. We know we cant keep both happy so, If Spurs have come in (and of course Ben would want to talk to them, he'd be batshaky crazy not to) then we may think that there is a deal to be done that is best for all parties over the piece. So, as neefy says, just a matter of whether some kind of mutually acceptable deal can be thrashed out. |  |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:18 - Jul 1 with 1733 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:06 - Jul 1 by Uxbridge |
Well ... there was a time when this very thread could have taken place for young Coatesy. Oh how different things could have been for him.
Ben's a much better player for me, but s'all opinions of course. Given selection last season the club seem to agree with me, which is why I find it strange that there seems an acceptance to let him go and replace with a player they would only put into the team in an absolute emergency. |
Oh I know that the club agrees with you - as I said, I honestly think I'm on my own re Ben (although actually my Dad thinks the same - perhaps it's just a family thing) !!
Anyway - I think that it's completely possible that all of this is nonsense as so much is in the papers at the moment. | | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:22 - Jul 1 with 1708 views | Uxbridge |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:17 - Jul 1 by Daggyjack |
I wouldn't say that Taylor was used only as an emergency. He was one of the mainstay's of our defence in the first season and is a better defender than Ben at present.
I would have no concerns about playing Taylor and selling Ben (at the right price, which I'm sure Huw will do).
It may be that we get £8 million + Siggy in loan for the season included in the deal (meaning we don't buy JDG). We may get another LB in (Alonso?). Spurs may not offer enough and we turn it down. Whatever happens, I'm pretty confident that Huw knows what he's doing. |
Given that Tiendalli was preferred on the pitch to Taylor at times, then I stand by my comment.
£8m plus Gylfi? There's a tester. I wouldn't go for Alonso personally ... decent in attack but lacking in defence. Not unlike Davies at times last season I concede.
Should be a fun battle between Huw and Levy though. | |
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| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:22 - Jul 1 with 1705 views | WarwickHunt |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 09:42 - Jul 1 by Uxbridge |
Because if someone offers market value for a player we should sell them. |
Nope - but if he wants to go he'll go for market value which will be closer to £8m than £30m.
I suspect we'll find out soon enough... |  | | |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 13:24 - Jul 1 with 1690 views | Drizzy |
| Davies to Spurs?.. on 09:39 - Jul 1 by WarwickHunt |
Well, if Spurs offer 8 or 9 and we're in any sort of discussion with them I'm sure another club will step in with much bigger offer if he's such an obvious bargain... |
You'd think he was Roberto Carlos with the way some are valuing him.
Was very exposed last season and quite poor defensively especially in the latter half of the season. We conceded an awful lot of goals from crosses on his side. | |
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