| Henderson 12:14 - Apr 17 with 10583 views | sweetcorn |
Have we appealed his red card? Not seen anything, so are we just assuming he’s missing tonight? |  |
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| Henderson on 16:54 - Apr 17 with 2514 views | dawlishdale |
| Henderson on 16:45 - Apr 17 by 56years |
If nothing else he is on the front of tonight's match programme - a little ironic in the circumstances! |
Silly thing for Hendo to do. Fully deserving of a Red card. We'd have been fuming if an opposing player did the same to one of ours. |  | | |
| Henderson on 16:58 - Apr 17 with 2479 views | sweetcorn |
| Henderson on 16:54 - Apr 17 by dawlishdale |
Silly thing for Hendo to do. Fully deserving of a Red card. We'd have been fuming if an opposing player did the same to one of ours. |
We've had this on another thread, I really wouldn't, I'd have thought, Christ that's cynical and expected a yellow card, which is usually the norm for that offence. | |
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| Henderson on 17:04 - Apr 17 with 2443 views | dawlishdale |
| Henderson on 16:58 - Apr 17 by sweetcorn |
We've had this on another thread, I really wouldn't, I'd have thought, Christ that's cynical and expected a yellow card, which is usually the norm for that offence. |
No. There's cynical, and then there's what Henderson did, which is launch himself at the player (not the ball...he never got within 2 yards of the ball) He makes contact halfway up the players calf, which is dangerous.
If that had happened to one of our players, you can bet 99.9% of our fans would have been asking for a red. Obviously, you fall into the 0.1%. | | | |
| Henderson on 17:09 - Apr 17 with 2413 views | sweetcorn |
| Henderson on 17:04 - Apr 17 by dawlishdale |
No. There's cynical, and then there's what Henderson did, which is launch himself at the player (not the ball...he never got within 2 yards of the ball) He makes contact halfway up the players calf, which is dangerous.
If that had happened to one of our players, you can bet 99.9% of our fans would have been asking for a red. Obviously, you fall into the 0.1%. |
Well there are a few on here who only think it should be a yellow card and this site represents a small number of the fanbase so I think your maths are a bit wrong with working out the percentage.
Also If you can see at that speed where the boot has landed you must have the ability to catch bullets, it looks to me like he trips him up by taking the side of his leg with his studs down, but it happens that quickly on the video it's impossible to tell where he's actually made contact.. [Post edited 17 Apr 2018 17:10]
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| Henderson on 17:16 - Apr 17 with 2380 views | Shun |
| Henderson on 17:04 - Apr 17 by dawlishdale |
No. There's cynical, and then there's what Henderson did, which is launch himself at the player (not the ball...he never got within 2 yards of the ball) He makes contact halfway up the players calf, which is dangerous.
If that had happened to one of our players, you can bet 99.9% of our fans would have been asking for a red. Obviously, you fall into the 0.1%. |
There’s a lot of assumption on this and the other thread that if the situation had been reversed the whole Dale crowd would be calling for a red. As posted many times, lots wouldn’t, including me. I’d view it as a cynical example of breaking up the attacking team’s play. A sure yellow card.
For what it’s worth, all the Dale fans I know in person think it was a yellow, and a good proportion (not the majority, but a good few) on here think the same. So to be told that fans need to be consistent and that we would all be calling for a red in the reverse situation is very wide of the mark. |  | | |
| Henderson on 17:28 - Apr 17 with 2336 views | dawlishdale |
| Henderson on 17:16 - Apr 17 by Shun |
There’s a lot of assumption on this and the other thread that if the situation had been reversed the whole Dale crowd would be calling for a red. As posted many times, lots wouldn’t, including me. I’d view it as a cynical example of breaking up the attacking team’s play. A sure yellow card.
For what it’s worth, all the Dale fans I know in person think it was a yellow, and a good proportion (not the majority, but a good few) on here think the same. So to be told that fans need to be consistent and that we would all be calling for a red in the reverse situation is very wide of the mark. |
I will be delighted if we win an appeal. I will also be amazed. Looks a red card to me. | | | |
| Henderson on 17:30 - Apr 17 with 2334 views | aleanddale |
its a red all day long for me.
The more I see it the worse it looks.
just see how far the ball is away when he starts his lunge and its no closer when he catches the Posh players leg.
no complaints with the decision - just gutted we miss him at this vital stage  | | | |
| Henderson on 17:40 - Apr 17 with 2274 views | D_Alien |
| Henderson on 17:16 - Apr 17 by Shun |
There’s a lot of assumption on this and the other thread that if the situation had been reversed the whole Dale crowd would be calling for a red. As posted many times, lots wouldn’t, including me. I’d view it as a cynical example of breaking up the attacking team’s play. A sure yellow card.
For what it’s worth, all the Dale fans I know in person think it was a yellow, and a good proportion (not the majority, but a good few) on here think the same. So to be told that fans need to be consistent and that we would all be calling for a red in the reverse situation is very wide of the mark. |
A cynical attempt to break up the attacking team's play, for sure, but the type of offence that gets a yellow card tends to be a body block, or handball
A trip from behind with the player in full flow is dangerous, and i can't for the life of me see why anyone should seek to dismiss that as anything less
It's not just about the position or momentum of his foot at the point of impact, it's the sheer recklessness for the consequences as the player's body falls whilst moving at speed from that point onwards
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| Henderson on 17:46 - Apr 17 with 2222 views | 442Dale |
| Henderson on 17:40 - Apr 17 by D_Alien |
A cynical attempt to break up the attacking team's play, for sure, but the type of offence that gets a yellow card tends to be a body block, or handball
A trip from behind with the player in full flow is dangerous, and i can't for the life of me see why anyone should seek to dismiss that as anything less
It's not just about the position or momentum of his foot at the point of impact, it's the sheer recklessness for the consequences as the player's body falls whilst moving at speed from that point onwards
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If the ball goes out of play and someone flicks a foot at the opponent and kicks him, you wouldn’t see anyone think it was anything other than stupid and a red card. The ball being in play but with no attempt to play it and making a movement with the foot to trip/kick the opponent is different how? |  |
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| Henderson on 17:48 - Apr 17 with 2208 views | D_Alien |
| Henderson on 17:46 - Apr 17 by 442Dale |
If the ball goes out of play and someone flicks a foot at the opponent and kicks him, you wouldn’t see anyone think it was anything other than stupid and a red card. The ball being in play but with no attempt to play it and making a movement with the foot to trip/kick the opponent is different how? |
Apologies for the edit, hadn't seen your post | |
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| Henderson on 17:59 - Apr 17 with 2128 views | Shun |
| Henderson on 17:46 - Apr 17 by 442Dale |
If the ball goes out of play and someone flicks a foot at the opponent and kicks him, you wouldn’t see anyone think it was anything other than stupid and a red card. The ball being in play but with no attempt to play it and making a movement with the foot to trip/kick the opponent is different how? |
They’re completely different. A kick when the ball isn’t even play is deserving of a red card becuase the player can’t say he had any reason to do it but to cause harm. In Henderson’s case he committed the foul to break up the opponent’s attack. | | | |
| Henderson on 18:09 - Apr 17 with 2085 views | 442Dale |
| Henderson on 17:59 - Apr 17 by Shun |
They’re completely different. A kick when the ball isn’t even play is deserving of a red card becuase the player can’t say he had any reason to do it but to cause harm. In Henderson’s case he committed the foul to break up the opponent’s attack. |
When players do a petulant kick they know they aren’t hurting someone, when a player trips someone running at full pelt with no attempt to win the ball, they know it might. Both are foot to leg with absolutely nothing to do with playing the ball. I can see why some might say it wasn’t a red, but it was a ridiculous challenge and you have to accept the consequences.
It’s double standards I’m afraid, we go on about teams wasting time and being cynical but we are no different when it suits. Does it bother me? No. But nor does it when other sides do the same. | |
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| Henderson on 18:16 - Apr 17 with 2041 views | James1980 |
Is there such a thing as precedents when over turning cards? | |
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| Henderson on 18:26 - Apr 17 with 2000 views | Daley_Lama |
| Henderson on 18:16 - Apr 17 by James1980 |
Is there such a thing as precedents when over turning cards? |
Yep.
Rochdale appeal.
Appeal gets rejected.
Easy to follow process. |  |
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| Henderson on 18:31 - Apr 17 with 1969 views | TVOS1907 |
| Henderson on 17:16 - Apr 17 by Shun |
There’s a lot of assumption on this and the other thread that if the situation had been reversed the whole Dale crowd would be calling for a red. As posted many times, lots wouldn’t, including me. I’d view it as a cynical example of breaking up the attacking team’s play. A sure yellow card.
For what it’s worth, all the Dale fans I know in person think it was a yellow, and a good proportion (not the majority, but a good few) on here think the same. So to be told that fans need to be consistent and that we would all be calling for a red in the reverse situation is very wide of the mark. |
I meant fans and clubs need to be consistent as a rule, not just on this particular incident.
I don't know where you sit or stand at Spotland, Shun, but if it's anywhere near me you'd know what I mean.
And for what it's worth, I think most people (not all) would be calling for a red if the situation was reversed, as that's the nature of a sports fan, but the fact there's so much disagreement on here over this shows why an appeal was futile*.
* Of course, if he plays tonight, ignore that bit |  |
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| Henderson on 18:33 - Apr 17 with 1957 views | James1980 |
| Henderson on 18:26 - Apr 17 by Daley_Lama |
Yep.
Rochdale appeal.
Appeal gets rejected.
Easy to follow process. |
I was hoping for something more optimistic. Similar cards being down/upgraded. Situations where the officials have given just a yellow or free kick for likewise challenge having had the same view. Response made me smile though | |
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| Henderson on 18:37 - Apr 17 with 1930 views | TVOS1907 |
| Henderson on 18:26 - Apr 17 by Daley_Lama |
Yep.
Rochdale appeal.
Appeal gets rejected.
Easy to follow process. |
Apart from the ones that have been overturned. | |
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| Henderson on 18:40 - Apr 17 with 1912 views | TVOS1907 |
| Henderson on 17:59 - Apr 17 by Shun |
They’re completely different. A kick when the ball isn’t even play is deserving of a red card becuase the player can’t say he had any reason to do it but to cause harm. In Henderson’s case he committed the foul to break up the opponent’s attack. |
... with a ridiculous lunge having chased the Peterborough player almost half the length of the pitch.
It was obvious at the time what he was about to do and even the manager has alluded to something along the lines of "a little bit more discipline might have helped." | |
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| Henderson on 18:45 - Apr 17 with 1850 views | 442Dale |
| Henderson on 18:37 - Apr 17 by TVOS1907 |
Apart from the ones that have been overturned. |
And I am still yet to recall one red card that should have been overturned that wasn’t. The Wigan one was embarrassing. | |
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| Henderson on 18:46 - Apr 17 with 1840 views | TVOS1907 |
| Henderson on 18:45 - Apr 17 by 442Dale |
And I am still yet to recall one red card that should have been overturned that wasn’t. The Wigan one was embarrassing. |
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| Henderson on 18:50 - Apr 17 with 1820 views | Daley_Lama |
Appeal announced as unsuccessful | |
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| Henderson on 18:52 - Apr 17 with 1808 views | funkkk |
| Henderson on 18:50 - Apr 17 by Daley_Lama |
Appeal announced as unsuccessful |
Justice served, hopefully Hendo picks up the tab. |  | | |
| Henderson on 18:53 - Apr 17 with 1801 views | 442Dale |
| Henderson on 18:50 - Apr 17 by Daley_Lama |
Appeal announced as unsuccessful |
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2018/april/appeal_ian-henderson/
No surprise. A decision that let his team mates and supporters down. Let’s hope there’s still a chance for him to make amends against Charlton.
The lack of accountability in his programme notes was as disappointing as he says he was to get sent off. | |
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| Henderson on 18:54 - Apr 17 with 1792 views | Shun |
| Henderson on 18:40 - Apr 17 by TVOS1907 |
... with a ridiculous lunge having chased the Peterborough player almost half the length of the pitch.
It was obvious at the time what he was about to do and even the manager has alluded to something along the lines of "a little bit more discipline might have helped." |
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, TVOS et al. I’m glad we appealed but I have no expectation of it succeeding. That isn’t to say that whatever conclusion the appeal committee come to is correct, though, as I think in this situation the reluctance to undermine their own referees by reversing their decision plays a large role too. | | | |
| Henderson on 18:59 - Apr 17 with 1777 views | TVOS1907 |
| Henderson on 18:54 - Apr 17 by Shun |
I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, TVOS et al. I’m glad we appealed but I have no expectation of it succeeding. That isn’t to say that whatever conclusion the appeal committee come to is correct, though, as I think in this situation the reluctance to undermine their own referees by reversing their decision plays a large role too. |
Fact is, it wasn't a clear and obvious error by the referee, as evidenced by the different views on here.
It's got nothing to do with undermining officials. | |
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