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Reply | Why Do Managers See Different?
at 11:10 9 Feb 2025
You’ve made a lot of assumptions towards the end of that post about the mindset of many of our supporters.
I don’t think anyone is accepting of where we are as a club right now. The litany of off-field decisions that may or may not have led us here are all well documented. I don’t think you will find anyone who knows me personally, say anything other than how vociferously I shouted about a lot of this, often to my own detriment.
However, I don’t blow hot and cold. I’m reacting game by game, like everyone else, but my overall assessment is that we are currently eighth (with games in hand) and in a quarter-final of a decent trophy. We are on the cusp of something, so I’m not going to get hysterical just yet. If we go on to fluff this advantageous position we are currently in, then my assessment will change, obviously.
I will also add that I agree that the past two performances have been way short of what is acceptable, in my opinion. Again, if it continues, then we aren’t going to go on to achieve anything this season.
But it’s not fair to use the Yeovil game as an outlier for your argument. Their players wouldn’t have known what the pitch was like until they stepped on it. If anything, our players should’ve felt the apprehension worse.
I think we need to guard against collective arrogance creeping in too. We can’t be too dismissive of the standard of the level we are at. Certainly Division 4 in the 80s wasn’t much better week in, week out. That’s not me saying we had no right to beat Ebbsfleet, because we really should have done, but a lot of teams at this level are a lot more professional in terms of preparation and the like than they are given credit for. I found that out last season when speaking to operatives at these clubs. It cannot simply be dismissed as a “shit league”. We don’t want to start sounding like Oldham fans, do we? 😉 |
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Reply | Ebbsfleet (H) match thread
at 09:40 9 Feb 2025
Three points were a must yesterday, after the tame derby performance of Tuesday and given Ebbsfleet have struggled to keep a clean sheet in any match so far this season.
What we got was nowhere near good enough. The front three didn’t work and neither did their replacements. There were no options to change the midfield either, who were also not working for the second consecutive game.
We have slid out of the top seven, and games in hand count for naught with performances like yesterday.
I think it’s time for a rethink. We praised these players earlier in the season for their heart and desire, and for reuniting the squad with the fan base.
It’s time to set them free. |
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Reply | Why Do Managers See Different?
at 09:33 9 Feb 2025
Easy to say in hindsight. I doubt you’d have posted this had we won yesterday, for example. |
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Reply | Why Do Managers See Different?
at 13:22 8 Feb 2025
After Tuesday, and if the usual format is indeed employed today, it would have to be McBride and Burger in those roles today. |
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Reply | Why Do Managers See Different?
at 13:07 8 Feb 2025
It would be interesting to see a 442 from us, as we have the players. Even if it was an option mid game as a way of keeping the opponents on their toes.
You could have Ferguson and Hogan as centre halves, with Beckwith and Gordon as full backs. East and Gilmour could sit in midfield, with a spoilt-for-choice scenario on the wings with Okeke, Buyabu, Allarakhia and TAR.
Then you could have Mitchell and Rodney up front but, again, with the potential for McBride, Burger or Henderson to step in. |
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Reply | Oldham game
at 15:34 4 Feb 2025
It's certainly 'Hull' trying to wade through their posts in order to get to meaningful ones. |
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Reply | Trust chair steps down.
at 09:09 26 Sep 2024
I have obviously said all this to George personally, but I, like others, believe gratitude for what he has done both as chair and as a dedicated supporter should be also expressed publicly.
His dedication and tireless efforts have not only benefited the club tremendously but have also left a lasting impact on everyone who has had the privilege of working with him – be it in his capacity as chair or as a supporter with a cause.
On a personal note, the support and kindness he showed me when I was at my lowest ebb will never be forgotten. I’ll always be grateful for the patience and empathy he extended.
His leadership will be greatly missed, but I know the mark he’s left on the Trust will be felt for years to come. His passion as a dedicated supporter will, of course, remain, and be as valued as it always was (if not more). [Post edited 26 Sep 2024 10:04]
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Reply | Avoidable goals stat
at 10:38 23 Sep 2024
A topical interview with our former manager Brian Barry-Murphy with The Athletic:
Saturday lunchtime, Blackburn: in a bar across the road from Ewood Park, Brian Barry-Murphy is sipping mineral water and watching Southampton versus Manchester United on a big screen. The Southampton manager Russell Martin is a friend of Barry-Murphy, who sees the Saints get an early penalty Cameron Archer does not convert. Two minutes later Matthijs de Ligt gives United the lead.
Three hours on, Barry-Murphy is inside Ewood observing Blackburn Rovers versus Bristol City. It is 2-0 midway in the second half and City substitute Sinclair Armstrong rushes to the Rovers byline and squares the ball for what seems to be a certain goal. At 2-1, City will be back in it.
But a Rovers boot gets there first, the ball is cleared and seconds later Yuki Ohashi curls in a magnificent shot at the other end.
Instead of Southampton leading 1-0, Manchester United were leading 0-1; instead of Blackburn Rovers 2-1 Bristol City, it was Blackburn Rovers 3-0 Bristol City.
“Unpredictable,” says Barry-Murphy wryly. It is a word he uses three times — negatively, positively and empathetically — in the course of a conversation about football, how he sees it and where he sees himself. At 46, Barry-Murphy has just taken the unusual, unpredicted step of leaving Manchester City after three years of being head coach of the under-23s. He enjoyed daily contact with Pep Guardiola.
Barry-Murphy had been manager of Rochdale before City and he wants to be a manager or head coach again. The Irishman succeeded Enzo Maresca with the under-23s and there is a post-City Maresca trajectory to consider.
Judging by the match-day enthusiasm of Barry-Murphy, the uncertainties of the game, as he had just witnessed afresh, will not deter him.
“I’ve been pretty clear for a while that I wanted to move on,” he says. “It might sound unusual, as I would sum up my period at Manchester City as the most insightful of my life in football, because of who I was working with.
“But also, I have this real want to go and test myself on my terms. You tell yourself: ‘Go on, then,’ rather than stay there and be in awe of Pep, watch what he does and never use it for anything.
“I had a real instinctive feeling when I went to Man City that it was the right place at the right time; I have had the same feeling for over a year now. It sounds selfish but I have got what I wanted from that experience.”
Selfishness is actually ambition. Barry-Murphy, son of decorated Irish sportsman Jimmy, has been part of football since he was 16, playing for his hometown club Cork City in the League of Ireland. He was signed by David Moyes (whom he praises) when at Preston North End, then played for Sheffield Wednesday among other clubs. Barry-Murphy’s career as a defender ended at Rochdale, where he was player-coach before becoming manager in 2019 and developing a reputation for a style of play that may not have brought a small club three points every week, but which caught the eye of much larger neighbours.
So three years ago, recruited by Jason Wilcox, Barry-Murphy began coaching the likes of Cole Palmer, Oscar Bobb and Romeo Lavia — three of those he mentions — and learning from Guardiola. Barry-Murphy left in the summer and accepted an invitation from The Athletic to spend a Saturday watching a match, discussing where he has been, what he has seen and what might come next.
At Ewood Park, Barry-Murphy is immediately impressed by the intensity of Blackburn’s start to their Championship game. Tyrhys Dolan, 22, a former Manchester City academy player, sets a standard — fast, aggressive, skilful. Rovers press Bristol City into errors and, from one of these mistakes, take the lead.
A determination to play out from the back has cost Bristol City, but they do not change and, as it continues not to work, an earlier reference from Barry-Murphy regarding Guardiola’s adaptability grows in relevance. He does not think Guardiola gets enough credit for this.
“Pep is so appreciative of opponents’ strengths and what they’ll try to do,” Barry-Murphy says. “He’s thinking of how to overcome that; he doesn’t just focus on City because they’re so good. When they played Real Madrid, Madrid clearly had thought about that deep run Kevin (De Bruyne) does a lot and planned for that.
“Pep’ll say to the players, ‘When the opponents do something, we’ll do this’. He’d give them solutions. So if the opponents are going to man-mark Rodri, for example, he’ll say, ‘Well, we’ll go here before going there’. And he will pay as much attention to a Carabao Cup game as a Champions League game.
“He noticed that, when teams started to go for man-for-man, it would leave (Erling) Haaland on the halfway line. So Ederson would go long.”
That is what Bristol City try to do intermittently, but they do not have Haaland at No 9, the ball does not stick and Rovers mop up. The visitors return to their way of playing from the back, to the jeers of some of their own fans. Barry-Murphy recognises the situation, the need to win, the Saturday afternoon tension.
“I’m proud of what I did at Rochdale,” he says. “It means a lot to me. But I wouldn’t dispute for a minute that we kept the ball for possession’s sake. And I got it wrong sometimes.
“I’ve a deep belief in the way I think the game should be played and I’ll never go away from that, but you have to be respectful of who you face.
“When I was a younger coach or manager, I was obsessed with having possession and it’s something myself and other players fed off, because during our careers we were starved of the ball. But when I look back now I’m not sure if I always got the balance right. It’s about attacking in an efficient manner — being patient or attacking quickly, dynamically. Giving players the feel of rhythms is something you as a coach can do. Efficiency is a very important word.
“In League One, Rochdale were a very small fish. We’d young players and we’d play against the likes of Hull and Sunderland and these big squads. The way we wanted to compete was to have the ball for periods, which is not what smaller teams are meant to do.
“I’d read (Mauricio) Pochettino’s diaries from Espanyol and when they played Barcelona, the expectation was they’d defend on the edge of their box. He wanted to change that. At Rochdale we wanted to have our own philosophy, play with a style that gave us a point of difference, keeping the ball away from the bigger teams for as long as we could. We couldn’t just go out and buy a striker.
“The difference at Man City is that you’d build up possession to give the ball to Cole Palmer, who can go and beat five players, or to Oscar Bobb and he’s like Messi. He beats players in a flash and I’d never seen that up close before.
“Your job then is to get the ball to those players and in the most efficient way — sometimes that will be one pass, sometimes 50 passes. At Rochdale we didn’t have that and my perception was that the quicker we attacked, the quicker the chance we’d give the ball to a big team who would then pound us for 90 minutes.”
In both of these roles, development was a key word and pursuit. Yet the two environments and challenges were very different.
“Week after week at Rochdale I’d come out and say the lads did well, did exactly what we practised,” he recalls. “And the reply would be, ‘But you got beat’. I said, ‘Yeah, but we could be at the bottom of the table anyway and kicking it long’.
“Then there’d be no reference point for the players, who we believe will benefit in the long term and will succeed — though there’s no guarantees.
“But it’s ingrained in us all to want to win.
“At City the players are all on big contracts, but some come from pretty poor backgrounds, so have a lot of pressure on their shoulders. What you have to do is convince them that your way of working will improve them as players, give them the rewards they want: ‘But you have to do it as part of a team otherwise you won’t get the chance.’
“You’re trying to create that common goal. ‘Convince’ or ‘influence’, I don’t know which word is better. I always said to the players that I’d convince them of what I was doing because I know it works. Ideally you want every player to believe you and hang off every word, but they don’t. You’ve to show them there’s substance to what you’re saying.
“They’ve all got different characteristics. Oscar Bobb will do anything for the team because he wants the team to succeed above all else. Within that he wants to improve individually. But it’s not very common to see someone that selfless.”
At half-time Bristol City manager Liam Manning makes one change and, after Blackburn go 2-0 ahead on 55 minutes, he soon makes three more. City get better, Armstrong propels his team forward. Then there’s the chance and the Rovers break away and it’s 3-0.
On the final whistle, the two coaches, John Eustace and Manning, shake hands. They’ve had the opposite experience from the same game. Barry-Murphy knows these Saturday five o’clock feelings. The differences.
“I imagine Liam will be heading back on the bus thinking it didn’t go their way and they didn’t perform to the levels they wanted,” he says. “For all that, they gave the first goal to Blackburn and there was a point in the game where it could have been 2-1. At 3-0 it feels deflating and demoralising.
“But that’s just the nature of the game and it’s important to remind yourself how volatile it can be, how small things can leave a large imprint. John Eustace will have the same awareness about what happened and what could have happened.”
The uncontrollable elements of the afternoon are striking, and from that perspective, it looks an angst-ridden profession to seek out. But Barry-Murphy, as he says, wants it. “If there were guarantees, you wouldn’t get the buzz, would you?”
He has spoken to one Championship club this summer — not Preston, despite the links — and the managerial churn in the division means opportunities are likely. Barry-Murphy will take with him three decades in the game and three years alongside Guardiola. How is he before and after that experience?
“Pep changes the way you think about football. I used to hear people say that and think, ‘Really?’ It sounds a bit dramatic, like. But he does. He makes sense of the way you have to work repetitively every single day to bring to life the things you want to see on the day of a game. It’s so simple in terms of how he implements it, but it’s so difficult in terms of how obsessive he is about repetition and preparation. He’s incredible, incredible.”
Guardiola accepts coaches such as Mikel Arteta, Maresca and Barry-Murphy will want to test themselves after being in his professional company, and City’s director of football Txiki Begiristain has told Barry-Murphy it is his time “to go and fly, show what I can do. It’s given me encouragement to go and do what I’m going to do. Txiki said, ‘Put yourself on the line, test yourself’ — amid that jeopardy we’ve spoken about.
“Where I go next, I will want us to attack in the most efficient manner, always progressing the game. You don’t have to worry about satisfying the audience then, because what they’re seeing is that you’re always trying to attack. That’s why I feel so liberated by what I’ve done professionally, because I now know how to do it.
“I’m ready. I fancy it.” |
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Reply | Solihull Match Thread
at 21:57 15 Sep 2024
Totally agree with this. It’s also why Andy Whing had Tipton all over Allarakhia the minute he received the ball yesterday. Stopping these forward runs and subsequent crosses was clearly a major part of his game plan. |
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Reply | Match thread....Boston United (away) New Era
at 09:06 11 Aug 2024
We set up as we had done in the two previous home friendlies. Rodney and Mitchell closer together up top, McBride coming in off the right with Henry and Gilmour across the middle. Allarakia played higher up the left flank and TAR, while getting forward, was expected to drop into right back when Boston were in possession, forcing the three centre backs of Gordon, EEL and Beckwith along one.
It was clear at the start that Boston were happy to stand off our centre backs around our own area and press once they advanced towards the half way line or played the out-ball to the flanks. This encouraged us to play some overhit long balls in the early stages, which was a little frustrating. However, once Gilmour threaded the ball through the middle for Rodney, who was wide awake, rounded the keeper and slotted home, Boston knew they had another vulnerability they needed to focus on.
In terms of our own vulnerability in the first half, the only joy Boston got was in the pocket on the left that was vacated by Allarakia getting forward and Beckwith needing to get across to cover. They managed a couple of dangerous crosses from there and cost Beckwith a booking having to bring a man down. The only other issue was the playing across the back which saw EEL have a ball charged down that mercifully went out of play. To be fair, Boston offered little more than a few wayward strokes towards goal or tame efforts easily held by McNicholas.
However, as the half wore on we ourselves were much, much better. Allarakia got two lovely balls across goal that deserved someone on the end of them, and TAR was creating some lovely one-twos on the other side.
Rodney produced another sublime finish after EEL played him in following Boston failing to clear a corner.
Second half was much better from us. We should’ve scored two more before Henderson sealed it. We used the substitutes well to kill the game and managed it out expertly as Boston looked tired and bereft of ideas. Take note when other teams do this to us!
All-in-all, a good day’s work to open the season but we will face tougher opposition this season for an absolute certainty. [Post edited 11 Aug 2024 9:08]
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Reply | Into The Unknown by Chris Fitzgerald
at 21:40 31 Jul 2024
Sorry, I I’ve only just remembered to check back on this. Yes, it’s available on Kindle right now - and hopefully everyone has their physical copies after a printer delay? |
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Reply | Ody Alfa signs for Dale
at 11:45 26 Jul 2024
The lack of transfer window is the point to keep in mind.
Last season, McNulty's budget restricted who he could sign geographically, and also his ability to bolster the squad around January.
Neither such restriction is in place this season. |
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Reply | Carlisle friendly
at 11:43 26 Jul 2024
Technically, bottom of League One is even higher than fifth in League Two 
They have a unit up front in Luke Armstrong, who I remember gave us a hard time when he was at Harrogate. It'll be a test all over the pitch for sure. |
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Reply | Carlisle friendly
at 10:28 26 Jul 2024
Carlisle finished bottom of League One last season. |
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Reply | Ody Alfa signs for Dale
at 09:56 26 Jul 2024
Not including youth players and not accounting for the fact many of these players can play in other positions, here you go:
ROCHDALE AFC SEASON 2024/25
GOALKEEPERS
Brad Kelly
Luke McNicholas
LEFT-BACKS
Finn Armstrong
Sam Beckwith
CENTRE-BACKS
Ethan Ebanks-Landell
Kyle Ferguson
RIGHT-BACKS
Tobi Adebayo-Rowling
Kyron Gordon
LEFT WING
Aidan Barlow
Ody Alfa
CENTRE MIDFIELD
Harvey Gilmour
Ryan East
Aaron Henry
RIGHT WING
Tarryn Allarakhia
ATTACKING MIDFIELD
Connor McBride
FORWARDS
Devante Rodney
Kairo Mitchell
Ian Henderson [Post edited 26 Jul 2024 11:12]
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Reply | Released Players
at 11:40 18 Jul 2024
Keith Hill was a defender...
I agree that we need more goals in the side. We have lost goals from Hayes, Sinclair and Keohane for a start. |
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Reply | EEL Stays
at 10:22 8 Jun 2024
Yes he did miss chances, what striker at this level doesn’t. Ironically, Mitchell was at his best when playing on his own - his game suffered somewhat when Rodney returned, as he became a bit more static.
Mitchell’s goal return for the season, given he was never signed to be the main striker, is more than commendable. He’s not a world beater, I know, but I think his shift last season gets him pass marks. |
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