| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? 20:43 - Jul 16 with 14778 views | GloryHunter |
Weather's getting me down now. We were promised vineyards, sunflowers, siestas, the lot. I even had to turn the heating on last night - in July! And don't tell me it's all explained by the "man-made climate change" theory, because it bloody well isn't. The mad greenies told us 20 years ago we'd be frying by now, and they were WRONG. So how come we actually have a Government department of "Energy and CLIMATE CHANGE"? Has there ever before been a government department based on a complete myth - like the department for slaying dragons and unicorns, for example? |  | | |  |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:42 - Jul 19 with 840 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:45 - Jul 19 by WestbourneR |
I feel sorry for you R from Afar you are trying to reason and educate people who are more obssessed with their paranoid theories of a 'left wing political agenda' than the truth. (when of course wealthy oil companies have far more money to bankroll their agenda, another fact conveniently ignored)
The rise in global warming skepticism has got nothing to do with the facts it's do with people not wanting to accpet any kind of environmental influence on government policy. It's rankles with their natural politcal outlook that's all.
Through my work i've has spent a lot of time meeting and talking to the most respected climate scientists in the world and they all confirm the truth of climate change.
But no people like Loftboy know better.
The sad thing even if you didn't have an opinion and took a gamble on one side or the other you only safely be able to chose one if you cared about the future of the planet...
If the skeptics are wrong we are all screwed.
If the believers in climate change are wrong well... we'd all still be fine.
I'm interested - if you don't believe in global warming how far does your disinterest extend? For instance do you think it's a problem that we are chopping down the Amazon rainforest or does that not matter too?
ps the ice above the water thing is total rubbish. A large percentage of ice at the poles is below the water level. More misinformation. |
Don’t talk to me about government policy. I was quite happily working for a company installing ground source heat pumps (cheaper and lower CO2 way to heat your house/hot water if you’re not on mains gas) until the promise of RHI came along (renewable heat incentive, kind of like the feed in tariff but concerned with heat rather than electricity).
Our company went out of business because government dithering meant nobody was ordering because they were waiting to see what the RHI tariffs were going to be. Still not been finalised.
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:15 - Jul 20 with 808 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:20 - Jul 19 by kropotkin41 |
A fairly simple experimental proof exists to show how more CO2 increases the greenhouse effect; add CO2 or methane and increase the greenhouse effect. The science which supports climate change is well established, and really shouldn't be contentious.
A lot of right wingers who dislike the idea that anthropogenic climate change exists actually find it distasteful because of how they perceive government policies in response to climate change. Well, let me reassure you, 2010 was another record year for CO2 emissions, so whatever governments may be doing, however much of your money they might be spending on conferences and policy papers, they are actually doing sweet FA to stop the problem.
Life on Earth, all life on Earth affects Earth's climate; changes in the Earth's climate are perfectly normal. Now, let's look at an Earth on which one massively dominant species releases huge amounts of CO2 in a very short time. I fail to see how it can be contentious that this will have a dramatic affect. Add to that the now well understood impact of positive feedback on Earth's climate change, and it is evident how a dominant species, in this case humanity, can cause very significant climate change in, geologically speaking, next to no time.
Anyway, as things stand, at the very least the application of the precautionary principle would suggest that we need to act quite quickly if we are not going to see an end to the climatic conditions which have permitted the existence of civilisation and a human population of many billions.
It is my opinion that capitalism is incapable of solving the ecological (and social) crisis of its own making, this is because profit margins tomorrow are more important than if the poor and the powerless live or die. That's not hysteria, that's a fact which can well be historically verified. So, as a species we are in deep sh*t because there is a great deal to change and very little time. To be perfectly frank, I think it's probably too late to avoid the level of climate change (2+C warming globally) which will leave our kids and their kids in severe bother. C'est la vie; as you right wing wags like to remind us, it's all perfectly natural...... except for the fact that in theory we are the first species in the history of the Earth which might be able to do something about our impact on the climate.
Righto, well I'll leave you lads and lasses with two little morsels from today's bag of liberal bo**ocks (that's The Guardian of course) - not my politics, but something to read at coffee time.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/19/record-cereal-prices-food-cris
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/19/greenland-glacier-iceberg#
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Great post.
I dare say many people think that the changes GW and CC will trigger are linear, allowing us to take action to move things back to a safe point but sadly, that is unlikely to be the case.
If the permafrost melts, and this has already started, the methane it is locking up will escape and enter the atmosphere very quickly and methane is 20 times worse than CO2 when it comes to its greenhouse gas properties.
There are also positive feedback loops which compund the problem. As the earth's glaciers recede, so its albedo (reflectivity) is reduced, making it absorb more heat.
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:48 - Jul 20 with 801 views | Lewes_r |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:15 - Jul 20 by R_from_afar |
Great post.
I dare say many people think that the changes GW and CC will trigger are linear, allowing us to take action to move things back to a safe point but sadly, that is unlikely to be the case.
If the permafrost melts, and this has already started, the methane it is locking up will escape and enter the atmosphere very quickly and methane is 20 times worse than CO2 when it comes to its greenhouse gas properties.
There are also positive feedback loops which compund the problem. As the earth's glaciers recede, so its albedo (reflectivity) is reduced, making it absorb more heat.
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This is where the term "runaway greenhouse effect" comes from.. We hit the tipping point and the aint nothing we can do about it.. Sit back and watch chaps.. Madmax with snakes is on the horizon. I just hope we win the prem before then |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 12:49 - Jul 20 with 799 views | hoof_hearted |
Sunday. |  | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:44 - Jul 20 with 779 views | R_from_afar |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:42 - Jul 19 by Cornish_oooRRRR |
Don’t talk to me about government policy. I was quite happily working for a company installing ground source heat pumps (cheaper and lower CO2 way to heat your house/hot water if you’re not on mains gas) until the promise of RHI came along (renewable heat incentive, kind of like the feed in tariff but concerned with heat rather than electricity).
Our company went out of business because government dithering meant nobody was ordering because they were waiting to see what the RHI tariffs were going to be. Still not been finalised.
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That is rough, sorry to hear that. I had a solar hot water system installed - not to save money but for reasons of carbon footprint, although it will pay for itself over time, all being well - and got the RHI grant but the part of the scheme which involves regular payments based on the gas you save has been postponed grrrrr
To get the RHI grant, I needed to have my loft insulation topped up. The installers damaged a water pipe connector in the process and caused a leak, with the result that the insulation had to be ripped up and replaced. D'oh!
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:03 - Jul 20 with 761 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 13:44 - Jul 20 by R_from_afar |
That is rough, sorry to hear that. I had a solar hot water system installed - not to save money but for reasons of carbon footprint, although it will pay for itself over time, all being well - and got the RHI grant but the part of the scheme which involves regular payments based on the gas you save has been postponed grrrrr
To get the RHI grant, I needed to have my loft insulation topped up. The installers damaged a water pipe connector in the process and caused a leak, with the result that the insulation had to be ripped up and replaced. D'oh!
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Good effort anyway.
Should probably let this thread die but here's one more:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20
'So far, we've raised the average temperature of the planet just under 0.8 degrees Celsius, and that has caused far more damage than most scientists expected. (A third of summer sea ice in the Arctic is gone, the oceans are 30 percent more acidic, and since warm air holds more water vapor than cold, the atmosphere over the oceans is a shocking five percent wetter, loading the dice for devastating floods.)'
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 20:05 - Jul 29 with 683 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
When a few US Republican senators start changing their minds you know something's up | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 20:45 - Jul 29 with 667 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
Not linear. More like exponential... | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:00 - Jul 29 with 657 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
That's true but dividing temp rise by time is probably too simplistic. Our rate of CO2 emission is more like exponential. Now is CO2 directly related to temp...
But coming back to my first reply to this post, first page (before the discussion really got started:
'GW = more energy in atmosphere = weirder weather
(or so I'm told. We all believe whatever we want to believe)' | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:04 - Jul 29 with 1082 views | michael67 |
Does this thread appear only when it's raining? |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:07 - Jul 29 with 1074 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:04 - Jul 29 by michael67 |
Does this thread appear only when it's raining? |
sunny all day down ere in Cornwall  | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:08 - Jul 29 with 1067 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:07 - Jul 29 by Cornish_oooRRRR |
sunny all day down ere in Cornwall |
Sunny here too.
But then I've left my van's engine running all day. |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:15 - Jul 29 with 1059 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
Ok, but I'm afraid we're back to: 'We all believe whatever we want to believe'. There are many, more intelligent people than me, who relate the two | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 22:08 - Jul 29 with 1039 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:15 - Jul 29 by Cornish_oooRRRR |
Ok, but I'm afraid we're back to: 'We all believe whatever we want to believe'. There are many, more intelligent people than me, who relate the two |
And many who don't.
It's all guesswork, educated guesswork granted but guesswork all the same.
If it was as clear cut as some on here would like everybody to believe then there wouldn't be any disagreement about it, it isn't so there is. | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 02:11 - Jul 30 with 1017 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 22:08 - Jul 29 by hoopstilidie |
And many who don't.
It's all guesswork, educated guesswork granted but guesswork all the same.
If it was as clear cut as some on here would like everybody to believe then there wouldn't be any disagreement about it, it isn't so there is. |
Not saying it is clear cut but as i'm not a climatologist i'm going with the scientific consensus.
There a lot of creationists but I believe in evolution because scientists have told/shown the world enough evidence to make it a scientific consensus. | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 07:31 - Jul 30 with 1009 views | Lewes_r |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 02:11 - Jul 30 by Cornish_oooRRRR |
Not saying it is clear cut but as i'm not a climatologist i'm going with the scientific consensus.
There a lot of creationists but I believe in evolution because scientists have told/shown the world enough evidence to make it a scientific consensus. |
Yes. Tbh i prefer to trust scientists and the general consensus amoungst them rather than just deciding which side fits with my view of the world ( because then id be an american)... | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 08:13 - Jul 30 with 993 views | TheBlob |
Ah yes scientists.All of a sudden these vilified creatures have God Particles shining out of their fundamental orifices.....or should that be orifi?
Definition of a scientist....a man who understood nothing until there was nothing left to understand. |  |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 08:36 - Jul 30 with 984 views | Lewes_r |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 08:13 - Jul 30 by TheBlob |
Ah yes scientists.All of a sudden these vilified creatures have God Particles shining out of their fundamental orifices.....or should that be orifi?
Definition of a scientist....a man who understood nothing until there was nothing left to understand. |
Sure.. But preferable to these guys who seem pretty confident they understand everything
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 08:48 - Jul 30 with 980 views | hoopstilidie |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 09:53 - Jul 30 with 970 views | finney |
my own thought is a simple one we are killing the planet i do not need to see the world turn into a sea to see that i look at the shite we pour into the sky the bombs they test that blow up half an ocean.
People ignore Greenpeace for all the wrong reasons i do not think all they say is proved but if only a tenith of it is we are fecked |  | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 10:20 - Jul 30 with 956 views | baz_qpr |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 22:08 - Jul 29 by hoopstilidie |
And many who don't.
It's all guesswork, educated guesswork granted but guesswork all the same.
If it was as clear cut as some on here would like everybody to believe then there wouldn't be any disagreement about it, it isn't so there is. |
There is an awful lot less disagreement than you think among scientists, its not like its 50/50 or something its more 90/10 and that 10 gets a very loud voice because it suits the commercial and political interests of a group of wealthy people and organisations and are incredibly well funded (the study that is currently being reported and has delivered the "wrong result" is funded by a group set up for funding skeptics)
Many of the original skeptics accept the premise of global warming, accept the premise of it being man made and the debate has moved on to whether the solutions a re carbon output reduction or carbon capture technologies |  | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 10:59 - Jul 30 with 942 views | hoopstilidie |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 10:20 - Jul 30 by baz_qpr |
There is an awful lot less disagreement than you think among scientists, its not like its 50/50 or something its more 90/10 and that 10 gets a very loud voice because it suits the commercial and political interests of a group of wealthy people and organisations and are incredibly well funded (the study that is currently being reported and has delivered the "wrong result" is funded by a group set up for funding skeptics)
Many of the original skeptics accept the premise of global warming, accept the premise of it being man made and the debate has moved on to whether the solutions a re carbon output reduction or carbon capture technologies |
Premise. | |
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| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 11:32 - Jul 30 with 925 views | GloryHunter |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 21:08 - Jul 29 by hoopstilidie |
Sunny here too.
But then I've left my van's engine running all day. |
I've gone back to leaving my three TVs on standby again. It's still pretty chilly for August, though. Must remember to leave the phone charger switched on as well. | | | |
| When's this Global Warming supposed to be happening? on 11:55 - Jul 30 with 918 views | Cornish_oooRRRR |
I agree with this post Clive_A
Point 2 is the crux. Can / dare we risk it? | |
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