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On the subject - Little Jim is on a 3 year deal and I don't see BA paying out compensation ..and why would James go there? I mean, would we all not want him to succeed at a bigger/higher club?
McNulty has unfinished business with Dale and he is basically at the start of a long management career.. Too early for him tomove on so come back in 3yrs....
On the subject - Little Jim is on a 3 year deal and I don't see BA paying out compensation ..and why would James go there? I mean, would we all not want him to succeed at a bigger/higher club?
I want him to succeed here primarily not somewhere else, and I want him to succeed at getting Rochdale as far up the football pyramid as possible.
Some might not like his style of football, but what can be said for him is that he is passionate, honest, and wants the best for Rochdale. He inspires his players and has a good moral compass in terms of developing good people as much as good players.
All of these things are in complete synergy with the new owner's vision of a sustainable club, leaving some comments about "he needs to learn and adapt his style" quite baffling.
Without him, we would have been wound up last season, and this season, his style and tactics have garnered us many more points than the "mistakes" have cost us.
I want him to succeed here primarily not somewhere else, and I want him to succeed at getting Rochdale as far up the football pyramid as possible.
Some might not like his style of football, but what can be said for him is that he is passionate, honest, and wants the best for Rochdale. He inspires his players and has a good moral compass in terms of developing good people as much as good players.
All of these things are in complete synergy with the new owner's vision of a sustainable club, leaving some comments about "he needs to learn and adapt his style" quite baffling.
Without him, we would have been wound up last season, and this season, his style and tactics have garnered us many more points than the "mistakes" have cost us.
I want him to succeed here primarily not somewhere else, and I want him to succeed at getting Rochdale as far up the football pyramid as possible.
Some might not like his style of football, but what can be said for him is that he is passionate, honest, and wants the best for Rochdale. He inspires his players and has a good moral compass in terms of developing good people as much as good players.
All of these things are in complete synergy with the new owner's vision of a sustainable club, leaving some comments about "he needs to learn and adapt his style" quite baffling.
Without him, we would have been wound up last season, and this season, his style and tactics have garnered us many more points than the "mistakes" have cost us.
Up the Dale and up Jimmy McNulty
[Post edited 7 Nov 12:54]
You're going to need counseling when he does leave, i think you've over egged the pudding with that lotđ. He wasnt the reason we werent wound up, he still had some good players to work with last season, it wasnt a relegation squad.A managers job is to win games and hopefully play entertaining football, that's the priority. It doesn't matter to most fans if that's with McNulty in charge or somebody else. That's the harsh reality of football. It's best not to get too emotionally involved with managers and players because inevitably money and ambition talks, the flip side to that is they regress and are replaced.
On the subject - Little Jim is on a 3 year deal and I don't see BA paying out compensation ..and why would James go there? I mean, would we all not want him to succeed at a bigger/higher club?
I just donât think pathetic and demeaning nicknames for the manager of our football club are very appropriate.
You're going to need counseling when he does leave, i think you've over egged the pudding with that lotđ. He wasnt the reason we werent wound up, he still had some good players to work with last season, it wasnt a relegation squad.A managers job is to win games and hopefully play entertaining football, that's the priority. It doesn't matter to most fans if that's with McNulty in charge or somebody else. That's the harsh reality of football. It's best not to get too emotionally involved with managers and players because inevitably money and ambition talks, the flip side to that is they regress and are replaced.
[Post edited 7 Nov 13:20]
My pudding is perfectly egged - in line with the head chef(s)
Burton train at St George's Park - thats a massive incentive for any coach/manager to want to join them. I really cant see Burton wanting to pay any sort of compensation to get Jim though.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Maybe you need to cut back on the seasoning, so you can be a bit less salty
Great reply, it was salty admittedly, apologies for that.We had a manager once called BBM and some fans flocked at his feet, by the time they stood back up we'd been relegated and he'd tried to screw the club over with the CEO and a engineered move to a coaching job down the road. We scored some wonderful goals consisting of 30 passes, we also endured the worst run of results ever seen at Spotland during his tenure, all cooked up from his training manual and attempts to play the ball out from the back. Still, we had some fans who thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and that he loved the club, when they realised he wasnt and he didnt it was too late. What i'm getting at is this, there are some who let the fact that the manager has been a good servant to the club cloud their judgement. I think that McNulty has been well looked after by the club, he was a fringe squad player for a long time and has now progressed to manager. He will have been financially rewarded by the club and we have given him a great break into his first managerial job, so it's a two way street. We dont owe him anything and vise versa.
I mentioned BBM just to highlight that longevity at the club doesn't automatically deserve blind loyalty, not to compare the two characters, they do share the same footballing philosophy though. Also as a example as to how becoming too emotionally involved with players and managers can leave us disappointed. McNulty is a 7/10 for me in his job as manager but as the quality of recruitment increases so will the pressure to produce in respects of results and league position, it's too early to say if he will prove to be the right man or not yet. I hope he is because then we all win. If he isnt, then the question of blind loyalty will then rightfully be switched to Simon Gauge and others in the boardroom, its all about winning football matches when you have a healthy playing budget and ambitious owners. One last thing, i would already view McNulty's managerial appointment as being successful, irrespective of what happens in the future. He's been in the job eighteen months now and taking that in isolation will already go down as one of our better managers in the clubs history. We've had some right duffers.
Great reply, it was salty admittedly, apologies for that.We had a manager once called BBM and some fans flocked at his feet, by the time they stood back up we'd been relegated and he'd tried to screw the club over with the CEO and a engineered move to a coaching job down the road. We scored some wonderful goals consisting of 30 passes, we also endured the worst run of results ever seen at Spotland during his tenure, all cooked up from his training manual and attempts to play the ball out from the back. Still, we had some fans who thought he was the best thing since sliced bread and that he loved the club, when they realised he wasnt and he didnt it was too late. What i'm getting at is this, there are some who let the fact that the manager has been a good servant to the club cloud their judgement. I think that McNulty has been well looked after by the club, he was a fringe squad player for a long time and has now progressed to manager. He will have been financially rewarded by the club and we have given him a great break into his first managerial job, so it's a two way street. We dont owe him anything and vise versa.
I mentioned BBM just to highlight that longevity at the club doesn't automatically deserve blind loyalty, not to compare the two characters, they do share the same footballing philosophy though. Also as a example as to how becoming too emotionally involved with players and managers can leave us disappointed. McNulty is a 7/10 for me in his job as manager but as the quality of recruitment increases so will the pressure to produce in respects of results and league position, it's too early to say if he will prove to be the right man or not yet. I hope he is because then we all win. If he isnt, then the question of blind loyalty will then rightfully be switched to Simon Gauge and others in the boardroom, its all about winning football matches when you have a healthy playing budget and ambitious owners. One last thing, i would already view McNulty's managerial appointment as being successful, irrespective of what happens in the future. He's been in the job eighteen months now and taking that in isolation will already go down as one of our better managers in the clubs history. We've had some right duffers.
[Post edited 7 Nov 15:32]
Agreed with the majority of that, what I want to really get across, in addition, is that in this day and age, managers are not given anything near the amount of time required.
Look at all the talk around the new Man U manager and "how long does he have to make an impact?" and he's not even in post yet!
Park the playing style momentarily and ask yourself if Jimmy has the fundamental attributes of a successful manager? I would say yes, and I reckon if the club support him in terms of coaching support/development program etc. then I think he is well worth the investment.
I think the club have identified that - hence the contract extension.
I've come to the conclusion that this is an unfair question, since fans don't have a handle on who might be available
It's too easy to ask this. My answer would be: someone who understands the game at lower league level and isn't looking to perpetuate a system that only teams at the top level can realistically deploy. I've no idea who that might be, but i do know i've fallen out of love with the game as we're playing it at the COA
[Post edited 6 Nov 20:05]
I think you've fallen out with the game full stop in that case DA.
Jim's style is not just his style, it's the style of football that the majority of coaches now want their team to play (even at levels below ours) and what's more, it's the style of football that most young players have been coached in for their formative years and actively want to play. There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but they're few and far between now and for every exception like Andy Woodman, you also have an exception like Jim Bentley.
Like most fans, I sit somewhere in the middle with McNulty. I think he speaks well, has the respect and trust of the players, has made slow and steady progress in terms of results, has (alongside MRKT) managed some decent recruitment even with a very tight budget last season. I think the style of play is relatively effective (I would've taken 6th at the start of the season so I'm happy enough with the results) but I do worry that there's a bit of a soft underbelly to this team that when it comes to crunch moments like against Bromley (and like we'd be facing should we make the play-offs) then there may just be a mental block there that other teams can expose.
The style of play to me is largely irrelevant. You'll get fans with different preferences across the board. For every fan like yourself who gets tired watching a possession-based team, you're going to get one that prefers it. Again, given that most young fans are now growing up with this style, I'd argue most younger fans probably prefer it.
At the end of the day the majority won't really mind (and some won't even notice) as long as we're winning and I fall into that camp - the best style of football is winning football and at the moment we're winning more than we're losing, so I'll take that for the time being whilst having reservations about our ability to pick up results under Jim when it *really* matters.
If Jim goes to Burton Albion I expect the next manager to have very similar principles and would hope that the club's over-riding plan takes into consideration that recruitment has been made to build a squad to play in this way rather than going out there to bring in a manager that plays in a completely different style meaning we have to rip up the squad and start again and set ourselves back 18 months.
I think you've fallen out with the game full stop in that case DA.
Jim's style is not just his style, it's the style of football that the majority of coaches now want their team to play (even at levels below ours) and what's more, it's the style of football that most young players have been coached in for their formative years and actively want to play. There are exceptions to the rule, of course, but they're few and far between now and for every exception like Andy Woodman, you also have an exception like Jim Bentley.
Like most fans, I sit somewhere in the middle with McNulty. I think he speaks well, has the respect and trust of the players, has made slow and steady progress in terms of results, has (alongside MRKT) managed some decent recruitment even with a very tight budget last season. I think the style of play is relatively effective (I would've taken 6th at the start of the season so I'm happy enough with the results) but I do worry that there's a bit of a soft underbelly to this team that when it comes to crunch moments like against Bromley (and like we'd be facing should we make the play-offs) then there may just be a mental block there that other teams can expose.
The style of play to me is largely irrelevant. You'll get fans with different preferences across the board. For every fan like yourself who gets tired watching a possession-based team, you're going to get one that prefers it. Again, given that most young fans are now growing up with this style, I'd argue most younger fans probably prefer it.
At the end of the day the majority won't really mind (and some won't even notice) as long as we're winning and I fall into that camp - the best style of football is winning football and at the moment we're winning more than we're losing, so I'll take that for the time being whilst having reservations about our ability to pick up results under Jim when it *really* matters.
If Jim goes to Burton Albion I expect the next manager to have very similar principles and would hope that the club's over-riding plan takes into consideration that recruitment has been made to build a squad to play in this way rather than going out there to bring in a manager that plays in a completely different style meaning we have to rip up the squad and start again and set ourselves back 18 months.
Fair analysis
To which i'd add... if the JM style of football being inculcated into players/coaches is the *current* norm, the differential between employing JM as manager and someone else comes down to something other than style of play
I liked JM as a player, i liked his attitude and he comes across well in person, when not being asked vapid questions post-match
I still think there's something missing, and it may well be an ability to learn and adapt, i.e. doing something different from what the coaching manual suggests
The jury's still out in terms of his overall trajectory, and anyone who claims they know he's got a bright future is talking crystal balls
Agreed with the majority of that, what I want to really get across, in addition, is that in this day and age, managers are not given anything near the amount of time required.
Look at all the talk around the new Man U manager and "how long does he have to make an impact?" and he's not even in post yet!
Park the playing style momentarily and ask yourself if Jimmy has the fundamental attributes of a successful manager? I would say yes, and I reckon if the club support him in terms of coaching support/development program etc. then I think he is well worth the investment.
I think the club have identified that - hence the contract extension.
I'm not 100% convinced with Jim and that's being honest. I listen to his post match interviews and look at his body language, they often worry me a little bit. I wonder if he is too relaxed and lacks the ruthless streak that all successful managers have, they'd sell their grandma for a win. Comments about not looking at league tables and performances will look after results etc might be bluster but even if they are, they are designed to deflect away from the thing that the manager and his players are ultimately judged on, winning games. I also feel as though he is reactive rather than proactive when it comes to in game management at times and has a preference to see how a game pans out rather than us imposing ourselves on the opposition, especially in home games. I think he will be a very good coach but I'm not convinced he will a better manager when expectation levels rise, if that makes sense. We'll see next season anyway hopefully, when a play off place will be expected.
I'm not 100% convinced with Jim and that's being honest. I listen to his post match interviews and look at his body language, they often worry me a little bit. I wonder if he is too relaxed and lacks the ruthless streak that all successful managers have, they'd sell their grandma for a win. Comments about not looking at league tables and performances will look after results etc might be bluster but even if they are, they are designed to deflect away from the thing that the manager and his players are ultimately judged on, winning games. I also feel as though he is reactive rather than proactive when it comes to in game management at times and has a preference to see how a game pans out rather than us imposing ourselves on the opposition, especially in home games. I think he will be a very good coach but I'm not convinced he will a better manager when expectation levels rise, if that makes sense. We'll see next season anyway hopefully, when a play off place will be expected.
[Post edited 7 Nov 19:15]
Play off place will be expected next season? What exactly do we win for being in the play offs?
What NcNulty is is a rookie manager, with a talented squad currently producing consistently inconsistent results. To be of any interest to anyone else heâs going to need to perform significantly better than he has so far. Time will tell but the sack at some point between now and this time next year is as likely as any other outcome.
As for speaks well! Get some media training Jimđ
Play off place will be expected next season? What exactly do we win for being in the play offs?
What NcNulty is is a rookie manager, with a talented squad currently producing consistently inconsistent results. To be of any interest to anyone else heâs going to need to perform significantly better than he has so far. Time will tell but the sack at some point between now and this time next year is as likely as any other outcome.
As for speaks well! Get some media training Jimđ
Well by finishing in a play off place we have a opportunity to play a few knock out games and win promotion at Wembley. The alternative to that is for us all to expect us to win the league outright. Anybody who has been in and around football a long time knows that is a unrealistic expectation for any manager of Rochdale. We haven't won a league title in 117 years. I'm not sure I said that he speaks well. He's already got longevity as a manager, 18 months into his first managerial job is pretty impressive in this day and age. Hopefully he'll see out his three year contract and we'll be back in the EFL, that's what we all want, we'll i think it is.
Well by finishing in a play off place we have a opportunity to play a few knock out games and win promotion at Wembley. The alternative to that is for us all to expect us to win the league outright. Anybody who has been in and around football a long time knows that is a unrealistic expectation for any manager of Rochdale. We haven't won a league title in 117 years. I'm not sure I said that he speaks well. He's already got longevity as a manager, 18 months into his first managerial job is pretty impressive in this day and age. Hopefully he'll see out his three year contract and we'll be back in the EFL, that's what we all want, we'll i think it is.
[Post edited 7 Nov 22:07]
Youâve more confidence in McNultys Big game performance than I have. In any game any result could happen, be it bottom, top or middle of the league. We never control games, never, ever, under McNulty.
We are playing Sutton Saturday - theyâve won as many as theyâve lost. Any idea how weâll start the game? Quick tempo (Like Braintree - then defend for the rest of the game), or slow, pass it around th edge of the goalmouth (Barnet, Bromley etc). Maybe the opposition will have a right go (Halifax) wear themselves out and we nick it.
Anything could happen, but we do not ever control a game. If we are to win promotion, automatically or via playoffs, we will have to control games. Jim there yet? Nope? Is he learning - no evidence he is, because despite having better players, we remain unpredictably predictable.
The comms point was in response to someone elseâs point. McNulty has been listening to Southgate too much and isnât subjected to any sort of critical questioning. When he has any gentle challenge, he becomes indignant and defensive. In my view, talking is one thing, saying something meaningful is another.
Youâve more confidence in McNultys Big game performance than I have. In any game any result could happen, be it bottom, top or middle of the league. We never control games, never, ever, under McNulty.
We are playing Sutton Saturday - theyâve won as many as theyâve lost. Any idea how weâll start the game? Quick tempo (Like Braintree - then defend for the rest of the game), or slow, pass it around th edge of the goalmouth (Barnet, Bromley etc). Maybe the opposition will have a right go (Halifax) wear themselves out and we nick it.
Anything could happen, but we do not ever control a game. If we are to win promotion, automatically or via playoffs, we will have to control games. Jim there yet? Nope? Is he learning - no evidence he is, because despite having better players, we remain unpredictably predictable.
The comms point was in response to someone elseâs point. McNulty has been listening to Southgate too much and isnât subjected to any sort of critical questioning. When he has any gentle challenge, he becomes indignant and defensive. In my view, talking is one thing, saying something meaningful is another.
Boston, Woking, Aldershot, Hartlepool.
âWe never control games never, ever under McNultyâ âdo not ever control a gameâ
Thereâs nothing wrong with looking at the negatives, but thereâs also sticking to what has actually happened. Even if it isnât as often as weâd like in the style weâd like.
Youâve more confidence in McNultys Big game performance than I have. In any game any result could happen, be it bottom, top or middle of the league. We never control games, never, ever, under McNulty.
We are playing Sutton Saturday - theyâve won as many as theyâve lost. Any idea how weâll start the game? Quick tempo (Like Braintree - then defend for the rest of the game), or slow, pass it around th edge of the goalmouth (Barnet, Bromley etc). Maybe the opposition will have a right go (Halifax) wear themselves out and we nick it.
Anything could happen, but we do not ever control a game. If we are to win promotion, automatically or via playoffs, we will have to control games. Jim there yet? Nope? Is he learning - no evidence he is, because despite having better players, we remain unpredictably predictable.
The comms point was in response to someone elseâs point. McNulty has been listening to Southgate too much and isnât subjected to any sort of critical questioning. When he has any gentle challenge, he becomes indignant and defensive. In my view, talking is one thing, saying something meaningful is another.
I don't have any more confidence than you though. I honestly don't know what will happen between now and May or even next season. I posted earlier that i think McNulty might prove to be a better coach than a manager. I also stated that I had doubts about his in game management. It's all speculation and guesswork on my behalf though. What I do have is hope, i hope he continues to have us in and around the play offs and I hope we go up another level in performance next season. I don't want us to change managers because it disrupts all the club but it's only fair that McNulty is judged on results. At this moment in time he is doing a decent job and we are sixth in the league. If we regress and we go on a terrible run of results then we all know what happens next. So I'm relaxed in respect of McNulty and expect him to still be here this time next year. Just judge him on his results, the same as every other manager. His style of football frustrates me to death but then we see some good passages of play, if it gets us to where we should be in the league then I'll grudgingly put up with it. I love the squad of players he's assembled, I'm not sure they are being utilised properly at times though. I leave a lot of games thinking we are better than what I've just witnessed. So as I stated, i don't know what to expect going forward.
McNulty is a young manager who is learning all the time. No doubt he loves the club and also has best part of 3 years left on his contract. Big Jim has done a great job with recruitment and the squad are together and are currently on track for the playoffs.
Comments on here, myself included regarding defensive tactics are valid but this doesn't mean we are not behind Jim, the players and the Club. Ultimately i think Jim has to stay to further continue his education and see where he can take us. That would be my preference to have a go this season hopefully reach the playoffs and then strengthen further next summer.
Impossible to judge if Jim can get us promoted or not but so far in his tenure he gets the thumbs up and a solid 8/10 from me.
Start moving the ball more quickly that would then become 9 and a promotion back to the football league a perfect 10
McNulty is a young manager who is learning all the time. No doubt he loves the club and also has best part of 3 years left on his contract. Big Jim has done a great job with recruitment and the squad are together and are currently on track for the playoffs.
Comments on here, myself included regarding defensive tactics are valid but this doesn't mean we are not behind Jim, the players and the Club. Ultimately i think Jim has to stay to further continue his education and see where he can take us. That would be my preference to have a go this season hopefully reach the playoffs and then strengthen further next summer.
Impossible to judge if Jim can get us promoted or not but so far in his tenure he gets the thumbs up and a solid 8/10 from me.
Start moving the ball more quickly that would then become 9 and a promotion back to the football league a perfect 10
[Post edited 8 Nov 6:56]
Good post. I don't see any fans wanting a change of manager, it shouldnt even be up for discussion for the reasons you've pointed out in your post. A lot of frustration comes from our home performances, how we start games and the slow tempo of our play, the now habitual throwing away of goals through embarrassing mistakes. Tomorrow is another game but is anybody confident that we won't see anything much different than what we normally see? We had to chase the game from the 3rd minute last week, forced into it to rescue the game, we're good when we play with tempo and urgency but we never start games like that unfortunately. We only play that way as a reaction to what our opponents have done and that's what i mean about McNulty being reactive rather than proactive in a lot of games. Tomorrow is a big game, we've lost three out of our last four games if you ignore the game against Blackburns U21s.
Play off place will be expected next season? What exactly do we win for being in the play offs?
What NcNulty is is a rookie manager, with a talented squad currently producing consistently inconsistent results. To be of any interest to anyone else heâs going to need to perform significantly better than he has so far. Time will tell but the sack at some point between now and this time next year is as likely as any other outcome.
As for speaks well! Get some media training Jimđ
Its the consistency of finishing at the top end of the table that will drive an improvement in crowds. Being in the playoffs offers the opportunity to get back to the EFL but to succeed at that level requires bigger budgets and bigger crowds to help provide those budgets. This club needs an extended period of relative success, better to be at the top end of this division than the bottom end of the one above. As I see it, if promotion to the EFL takes 5 years, it matters little, going up with a good team, competent management and a thriving club infrastucture are the building blocks. 5000 crowds, a rebuilt or highly renovated main stand, training facilities, a strong squad, and cash at the bank to supplement EFL payments is the ideal scenario. It takes time and constancy of purpose. Rome wasn't built in a day but when it was finished it was magnificent....and still is.
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