| Armstrong 22:57 - Jul 15 with 75216 views | digswellhoop |
sorry if I'm late Armstrong is a talent sign him on a long contract he will be a great player for us if nurtured properly
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| Armstrong on 13:36 - Jul 17 with 5113 views | queensparker |
There's not a chance in hell we're getting 2.5m for Armstrong, where's that number coming from?
If I had to guess I'd say 400k with sell-ons. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 13:44 - Jul 17 with 5001 views | Hoopsie |
Isn’t 40 million reported for 18 yo Archie Gray of championship club Leeds by Spurs with “potential” being one of the valuation factor?
So 2.5 million for a 21 yo striker playing for a championship club and an u-21 national team with “potential to grow” doesn’t seem far fetch innit?
You may not agree but if it is true I wouldn’t argue too much, take the money and send the player by express post thank you very much |  |
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| Armstrong on 13:58 - Jul 17 with 4816 views | Benny_the_Ball |
This is exactly the type of situation the club was previously criticised for mismanaging, with the likes of Willock, BOS, Manning, etc.
Given that Sinclair hasn't signed a new contract, it makes perfect sense for the club to trigger the 1-year extension and put him up for sale. Frankly, I'm surprised at the £2.5m figure being reported but if QPR can get anywhere near that it'll be very good business. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 14:04 - Jul 17 with 4744 views | Pdog |
The sensible move would be to sign a longer deal with us, eat a spoon of humble pie and realise you're not as good as you think you are / not as bad as they say you are. Push for a season long loan to higher end league 1 club, get your head down & play consistently 30+ games (none of this bit-part 20 min cameo nonsense, teaches nothing).
If you back yourself you'll come back with 10+ goals, better developed with more experience and higher reputation, still 21. This moves just screams of fast cash inflated ego / poor guidance. If we get anything near £1m that's great. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 14:04 - Jul 17 with 4740 views | Landshark |
| Armstrong on 13:44 - Jul 17 by Hoopsie |
Isn’t 40 million reported for 18 yo Archie Gray of championship club Leeds by Spurs with “potential” being one of the valuation factor?
So 2.5 million for a 21 yo striker playing for a championship club and an u-21 national team with “potential to grow” doesn’t seem far fetch innit?
You may not agree but if it is true I wouldn’t argue too much, take the money and send the player by express post thank you very much |
I think the issue is you can see potential in Gray, playing week in week out for a fairly successful Leeds team, coming through every youth rank for England, multiple Premier League teams taking an interest in him.
Sinclair on the other hand, there's not a player there. It's a massive gamble to spend any money on him. | | | |
| Armstrong on 14:38 - Jul 17 with 4447 views | EastR |
Championship striker market context
Kiefer Moore (32) Bournemouth to Sheff Utd £2m | |
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| Armstrong on 14:48 - Jul 17 with 4351 views | numptydumpty |
| Armstrong on 11:02 - Jul 17 by BazzaInTheLoft |
AKA the Daniel Levy manoeuvre
I’ll be sad to see him go because it’s never a dull game with him involved but my willy twitched when I read £2.5m. [Post edited 17 Jul 11:03]
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You need get your willy fixed Bazza.
It's twitching at the wrong visuals.😆 [Post edited 17 Jul 14:52]
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| Armstrong on 14:55 - Jul 17 with 4262 views | numptydumpty |
£2.5million
Yes please
The nous of Marti, the negotiation skills of Nourry aligned with our fitness and data stattos on the case. £2.5million could be enough to unearth a potential star man for us up front and with money to spare also, perhaps.
Great fee for Sinclair - I don't believe he is that level of potential anyhow | |
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| Armstrong on 14:57 - Jul 17 with 4233 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Armstrong on 14:04 - Jul 17 by Landshark |
I think the issue is you can see potential in Gray, playing week in week out for a fairly successful Leeds team, coming through every youth rank for England, multiple Premier League teams taking an interest in him.
Sinclair on the other hand, there's not a player there. It's a massive gamble to spend any money on him. |
Shhhh!!!
If anything, we should be on SCFC and BCFC's websites spitting feathers at this paltry amount we're about to be mugged for. |  |
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| Armstrong on 14:59 - Jul 17 with 4196 views | derbyhoop |
| Armstrong on 14:38 - Jul 17 by EastR |
Championship striker market context
Kiefer Moore (32) Bournemouth to Sheff Utd £2m |
Going rate?
32 yo with no residual value £2m
21 yo with huge potential upside - £2.5m? |  |
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| Armstrong on 15:04 - Jul 17 with 4137 views | qprninja |
Likeable guy, but he's a long way off becoming a regular goal scorer at this level. His agent clearly wants a move and more money. Good luck to him. To be honest I genuinely think if you stuck two traffic cones up front every match rather than Dykes or Armstrong, they'd score more over the course of the season, so surely any replacements we get in can't be any worse. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 15:15 - Jul 17 with 4011 views | Myke |
| Armstrong on 14:04 - Jul 17 by Landshark |
I think the issue is you can see potential in Gray, playing week in week out for a fairly successful Leeds team, coming through every youth rank for England, multiple Premier League teams taking an interest in him.
Sinclair on the other hand, there's not a player there. It's a massive gamble to spend any money on him. |
Armstrong has come through 'every youth rank' for RoI so of course there is a player there. It is far easier for a young player breaking through to get regular game time for a successful team than one fighting relegation. Yes there is pressure at both ends of the table, but it is a different kind of pressure. Pushing for promotion becomes incrementally more pressurised as the season progresses and by March iit really ramps up. We saw that with both Leicester and Leeds last season and God knows we have experienced it ourselves.
Relegation pressure is a completely different matter, especially when you immersed in it from August! It permeates the entire mood and atmosphere and poisons the very air around the club. There is a fear factor that managment try not to expose the players to as they know if the players play with fear they are doomed. This is especially true off untested players like Sinclair and good managers like Marti would try to protect them from that negativity, which only escalates the longer the battle goes on. Remember the mood in the ground (and I was only observing it on TV) before and during the Preston game - how could any young player play anything close to their ability amid such tension? Compare that to some of the raucous home games that Gray played in, why wouldn't you play better? But does that make you a better player all things being equal?
Another misnomer regarding Armstrong is the '3 goals in 61 games' being bandied about. Armstrong has not come even close to playing 60 odd games for us. He has made over 60 APPEARANCES which is a completely different thing. For any degree of accuracy as to how many games he's played you would have to add up his total number of minutes on the pitch and divide by 90. Even that would not paint the full picture, as coming on for the last 10 minutes of a game you are losing is a big challenge for any player. Clive often spoke - especially in relation to Eze, Chair and BOS - about the importance of clocking up 100 games, 150 games and so on in order for a player to incrementally improve. Armstrong has come nowhere near that on yet.
Don't get me wrong, if we get £2.5 m and no new contract in sight, then sell him of course. I would love to see how he would develop with one full year of Marti's coaching but that seems unlikely to happen. But let's not coat him off as 'no football in him' based on so little evidence. | | | |
| Armstrong on 15:22 - Jul 17 with 3952 views | bosh67 |
| Armstrong on 15:15 - Jul 17 by Myke |
Armstrong has come through 'every youth rank' for RoI so of course there is a player there. It is far easier for a young player breaking through to get regular game time for a successful team than one fighting relegation. Yes there is pressure at both ends of the table, but it is a different kind of pressure. Pushing for promotion becomes incrementally more pressurised as the season progresses and by March iit really ramps up. We saw that with both Leicester and Leeds last season and God knows we have experienced it ourselves.
Relegation pressure is a completely different matter, especially when you immersed in it from August! It permeates the entire mood and atmosphere and poisons the very air around the club. There is a fear factor that managment try not to expose the players to as they know if the players play with fear they are doomed. This is especially true off untested players like Sinclair and good managers like Marti would try to protect them from that negativity, which only escalates the longer the battle goes on. Remember the mood in the ground (and I was only observing it on TV) before and during the Preston game - how could any young player play anything close to their ability amid such tension? Compare that to some of the raucous home games that Gray played in, why wouldn't you play better? But does that make you a better player all things being equal?
Another misnomer regarding Armstrong is the '3 goals in 61 games' being bandied about. Armstrong has not come even close to playing 60 odd games for us. He has made over 60 APPEARANCES which is a completely different thing. For any degree of accuracy as to how many games he's played you would have to add up his total number of minutes on the pitch and divide by 90. Even that would not paint the full picture, as coming on for the last 10 minutes of a game you are losing is a big challenge for any player. Clive often spoke - especially in relation to Eze, Chair and BOS - about the importance of clocking up 100 games, 150 games and so on in order for a player to incrementally improve. Armstrong has come nowhere near that on yet.
Don't get me wrong, if we get £2.5 m and no new contract in sight, then sell him of course. I would love to see how he would develop with one full year of Marti's coaching but that seems unlikely to happen. But let's not coat him off as 'no football in him' based on so little evidence. |
If it is £2.5m (£1,875,000 after Shamrock's bit) goes some way to finding a young up and coming European striker perhaps. Add a sell on clause to Armstrong and it's double bubble.
Mind you if Armstrong is £2.5m why on earth would we sell Dykes for any less than £4m given that although Dykes flatters to deceive, he is a full international and he can occasionally score goals. |  |
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| Armstrong on 15:27 - Jul 17 with 3898 views | Northernr |
| Armstrong on 15:22 - Jul 17 by bosh67 |
If it is £2.5m (£1,875,000 after Shamrock's bit) goes some way to finding a young up and coming European striker perhaps. Add a sell on clause to Armstrong and it's double bubble.
Mind you if Armstrong is £2.5m why on earth would we sell Dykes for any less than £4m given that although Dykes flatters to deceive, he is a full international and he can occasionally score goals. |
'Occasionally' is doing some heavy lifting here. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 15:33 - Jul 17 with 3834 views | qprninja |
| Armstrong on 15:22 - Jul 17 by bosh67 |
If it is £2.5m (£1,875,000 after Shamrock's bit) goes some way to finding a young up and coming European striker perhaps. Add a sell on clause to Armstrong and it's double bubble.
Mind you if Armstrong is £2.5m why on earth would we sell Dykes for any less than £4m given that although Dykes flatters to deceive, he is a full international and he can occasionally score goals. |
£2.5M for Dykes would also be amazing business. He is VERY limited. | | | |
| Armstrong on 15:40 - Jul 17 with 3748 views | robith |
If we get £2.5m for Armstrong the club should spend it on lottery tickets cos our luck is clearly in.
Be astonished if it was anywhere near even half that |  | | |
| Armstrong on 15:43 - Jul 17 with 3722 views | rbee |
I reported it a couple of days ago, lol. I knew I had read it somewhere. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 15:48 - Jul 17 with 3666 views | Pdog |
| Armstrong on 15:40 - Jul 17 by robith |
If we get £2.5m for Armstrong the club should spend it on lottery tickets cos our luck is clearly in.
Be astonished if it was anywhere near even half that |
I was thinking to myself the other day, hypothetically speaking if we got £2.5m for both Sinclair and Dykes combined that would be a decent deal considering the circumstances / expected goal return etc.
To get £2.5m for just one of them is like ‘f**k this I’m done here one-way ticket to Rio lads lads lads’ type of thing! No, but seriously, how much are tickets to Rio.. | | | |
| Armstrong on 16:11 - Jul 17 with 3501 views | kensalriser |
| Armstrong on 15:15 - Jul 17 by Myke |
Armstrong has come through 'every youth rank' for RoI so of course there is a player there. It is far easier for a young player breaking through to get regular game time for a successful team than one fighting relegation. Yes there is pressure at both ends of the table, but it is a different kind of pressure. Pushing for promotion becomes incrementally more pressurised as the season progresses and by March iit really ramps up. We saw that with both Leicester and Leeds last season and God knows we have experienced it ourselves.
Relegation pressure is a completely different matter, especially when you immersed in it from August! It permeates the entire mood and atmosphere and poisons the very air around the club. There is a fear factor that managment try not to expose the players to as they know if the players play with fear they are doomed. This is especially true off untested players like Sinclair and good managers like Marti would try to protect them from that negativity, which only escalates the longer the battle goes on. Remember the mood in the ground (and I was only observing it on TV) before and during the Preston game - how could any young player play anything close to their ability amid such tension? Compare that to some of the raucous home games that Gray played in, why wouldn't you play better? But does that make you a better player all things being equal?
Another misnomer regarding Armstrong is the '3 goals in 61 games' being bandied about. Armstrong has not come even close to playing 60 odd games for us. He has made over 60 APPEARANCES which is a completely different thing. For any degree of accuracy as to how many games he's played you would have to add up his total number of minutes on the pitch and divide by 90. Even that would not paint the full picture, as coming on for the last 10 minutes of a game you are losing is a big challenge for any player. Clive often spoke - especially in relation to Eze, Chair and BOS - about the importance of clocking up 100 games, 150 games and so on in order for a player to incrementally improve. Armstrong has come nowhere near that on yet.
Don't get me wrong, if we get £2.5 m and no new contract in sight, then sell him of course. I would love to see how he would develop with one full year of Marti's coaching but that seems unlikely to happen. But let's not coat him off as 'no football in him' based on so little evidence. |
Remember the 2000-01 season?
We were crap and deservedly went down. One of the few players to emerge with any credit was Peter Crouch, who we'd just signed from Spurs for 60k aged 19. In his first season at professional level he made 47 appearances and scored 12 goals. Everyone agreed he looked the real deal and he duly went to Portsmouth for 1.5m
Armstrong is older than Crouch was during that season and in similar circumstances failed to make any impact. He's nowhere near Crouch's level then (never mind later) and most likely never will be.
2.5m is pure fantasy, if we get that Nourry is a genius. |  |
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| Armstrong on 16:16 - Jul 17 with 3462 views | Philothesuperhoop |
If there is any truth in these figures that are being mentioned then the young guy we have in charge is a genius!
Why on earth is anyone bothered about any of our strike force (other than Kholli who has promise and has yet to fail) - if the CEO is genuinely bringing many million through the door whilst clearing the decks allowing us to buy some proper strikers then let’s put the flags out and have a street party.
Some wildly good business.
I am fully signed up to this revolution! |  | | |
| Armstrong on 16:17 - Jul 17 with 3450 views | Bluce_Ree |
You can't compare anyone to Crouch. He's the most underrated footballer in all of history. |  |
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| Armstrong on 16:19 - Jul 17 with 3429 views | DavieQPR |
If it is anywhere near £2.5m then it's going to include more add ons than Carol Vorderman. |  | | |
| Armstrong on 16:32 - Jul 17 with 3312 views | ted_hendrix |
He'll keep straying offside during the medical. |  |
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| Armstrong on 17:00 - Jul 17 with 3086 views | Gloucs_R |
| Armstrong on 16:32 - Jul 17 by ted_hendrix |
He'll keep straying offside during the medical. |
Punch the medical badge several times...... |  |
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| Armstrong on 17:27 - Jul 17 with 2915 views | bosh67 |
| Armstrong on 16:17 - Jul 17 by Bluce_Ree |
You can't compare anyone to Crouch. He's the most underrated footballer in all of history. |
Peter was a 1 in 4 scorer as the stats tell us and in some seasons closer to 1 in 2. A really excellent player and much better with the ball at his feet than anyone realised at the time. | |
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