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Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 17:42 - Jul 12 with 848 views
Yes it wouldn’t make any sense for a country to sign away a significant chunk of their legislative power to a supranational organisation most of whom actively hates the uk and doesn’t have their interests at heart.
A point often missed by many or ignored at best.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 01:16 - Jul 13 with 778 views
It could be argued that joining the EU in the first place was the first time in history a nation has signed away its ability to negotiate its own trade tariffs.
For someone who is clever that is an example of not thinking it through
Those forming the EU would have done that...under you view of the EU.
Edit: Original post sounded a bit strong.
[Post edited 13 Jul 1:21]
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 10:22 - Jul 13 with 716 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 10:22 - Jul 13 by Gwyn737
Not sure about that.
Most who wanted to remain knew that the EU wasn’t by any means perfect weighed against the advantages fell on the side of staying in.
I certainly never felt hated by the EU.
I felt and still feel very much disliked by French politicians. That "class" of people sem to have an overbearing attitude and a grudge against the UK.
Even in WW2 when we were trying to rid them of Nazi's, DeGaulle was a royal pain and openly expressed his dislike of GB. It hasn't improved much ever since.
People talk about the advantages but look at the EU today, very many problems including immigartion and the asses protests around it.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 12:02 - Jul 13 with 686 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 11:52 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned
I felt and still feel very much disliked by French politicians. That "class" of people sem to have an overbearing attitude and a grudge against the UK.
Even in WW2 when we were trying to rid them of Nazi's, DeGaulle was a royal pain and openly expressed his dislike of GB. It hasn't improved much ever since.
People talk about the advantages but look at the EU today, very many problems including immigartion and the asses protests around it.
The biggest mistake the Allies made during and immediately after WW2 was allowing De Gaulle, and therefore the French to pretend that they liberated themselves.
They should either have been the first troops on the beaches to earn the right to say so, or the last into Paris carrying everyone else's baggage. That allowed a beaten, subjugated Nation to start strutting around on the World stage just a few short years later, and probably indirectly led to the Vietnam War.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 15:07 - Jul 13 with 630 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 11:52 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned
I felt and still feel very much disliked by French politicians. That "class" of people sem to have an overbearing attitude and a grudge against the UK.
Even in WW2 when we were trying to rid them of Nazi's, DeGaulle was a royal pain and openly expressed his dislike of GB. It hasn't improved much ever since.
People talk about the advantages but look at the EU today, very many problems including immigartion and the asses protests around it.
Didn’t realise you were that old.
As for feeling disliked, maybe that’s projection.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
Will Reform win a single seat? on 11:52 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned
I felt and still feel very much disliked by French politicians. That "class" of people sem to have an overbearing attitude and a grudge against the UK.
Even in WW2 when we were trying to rid them of Nazi's, DeGaulle was a royal pain and openly expressed his dislike of GB. It hasn't improved much ever since.
People talk about the advantages but look at the EU today, very many problems including immigartion and the asses protests around it.
Remember this causing a stir a few years ago. Look at the rest of the panel sneering together just because of a few uncomfortable truths.
Remember this causing a stir a few years ago. Look at the rest of the panel sneering together just because of a few uncomfortable truths.
Starkey is often a bit of a pillock but he's spot on there.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Will Reform win a single seat? on 15:34 - Jul 13 by Dr_Winston
Starkey is often a bit of a pillock but he's spot on there.
I've often wondered if France has some form of national resentment and Inferiority-grudge by the fact that the (real one's) Nazi's conquered the country so easily and the fact Britain proved to be made of far sterner stuff by comparrison.
QUOTE: "German troops overran Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France in six weeks starting in May 1940. France signed an armistice in late June 1940, leaving Great Britain as the only country fighting Nazi Germany. END OF QUOTE
Ungrateful bunch imo!
[Post edited 13 Jul 16:07]
Argus!
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 16:16 - Jul 13 with 594 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 15:34 - Jul 13 by Dr_Winston
Starkey is often a bit of a pillock but he's spot on there.
He’s very pompous, a trait he has himself admitted he had to manufacture in order to fit in as a working class gay man in Cambridge. The irony is his is the sort of success story so called “progressives” should be celebrating.
Will Reform win a single seat? on 16:05 - Jul 13 by Wingstandwood
I've often wondered if France has some form of national resentment and Inferiority-grudge by the fact that the (real one's) Nazi's conquered the country so easily and the fact Britain proved to be made of far sterner stuff by comparrison.
QUOTE: "German troops overran Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France in six weeks starting in May 1940. France signed an armistice in late June 1940, leaving Great Britain as the only country fighting Nazi Germany. END OF QUOTE
Ungrateful bunch imo!
[Post edited 13 Jul 16:07]
See my earlier post in the thread.
Realistically we weren't under any serious threat of an amphibious invasion thanks to the Royal Navy, but if we hadn't won the BoB then we could have been wide open to the threat of being bombed into submission.
Thankfully we never had to find out.
[Post edited 13 Jul 16:44]
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 16:50 - Jul 13 with 583 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 16:42 - Jul 13 by Dr_Winston
See my earlier post in the thread.
Realistically we weren't under any serious threat of an amphibious invasion thanks to the Royal Navy, but if we hadn't won the BoB then we could have been wide open to the threat of being bombed into submission.
Thankfully we never had to find out.
[Post edited 13 Jul 16:44]
The Nazi's were just as worried about the idea of ferrying 100's of thousands of troops across in barges and getting them smashed to pieces by the RAF, the combined threat of them and the RN kept us safe.
Hitlers mistake (one of many) was stopping bombingb our airfields and going for the cities because we had dared to bomb Berlin.
Anyway, Reform got 5 seats...
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 17:31 - Jul 13 with 568 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 01:16 - Jul 13 by DJack
For someone who is clever that is an example of not thinking it through
Those forming the EU would have done that...under you view of the EU.
Edit: Original post sounded a bit strong.
[Post edited 13 Jul 1:21]
It’s not clear what it is you think I haven’t thought through?
What started out as a perfectly sensible trading bloc for nations to pool and share vital resources needed to rebuild after the worst war in human history ballooned into a bureaucratic and autocratic mess who could inflict any sort of directive upon an entire continents peoples at the stroke of a pen unopposed.
Will Reform win a single seat? on 16:42 - Jul 13 by Dr_Winston
See my earlier post in the thread.
Realistically we weren't under any serious threat of an amphibious invasion thanks to the Royal Navy, but if we hadn't won the BoB then we could have been wide open to the threat of being bombed into submission.
Thankfully we never had to find out.
[Post edited 13 Jul 16:44]
You'll agree hindsight is a wonderful thing , at the time if we had lost control of the skies during the BoB then the Royal Navy as large as she was would have been under serious threat by the Luftwaffe which with a substantial bomber force still available would have made the role of the RN very difficult. At the time Germany wasn't ready for a sea borne invasion even there the plans were in place and the logistics in place but Goering head of the Luftwaffe was extremely confident that the RAF would have been destroyed in a matter of week as was Poland and the French air forces were and Hitler was carried with that sense of optimism but as we know they clearly underestimated the task . Don't forget Germany also had in place the airborne troops something which at the time would have been extremely difficult to defend against as the resupply of the British Army after Dunkirk was still ongoing with a shortage of basic equipment still very much evident.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 18:05 - Jul 13 with 555 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 17:49 - Jul 13 by Boundy
You'll agree hindsight is a wonderful thing , at the time if we had lost control of the skies during the BoB then the Royal Navy as large as she was would have been under serious threat by the Luftwaffe which with a substantial bomber force still available would have made the role of the RN very difficult. At the time Germany wasn't ready for a sea borne invasion even there the plans were in place and the logistics in place but Goering head of the Luftwaffe was extremely confident that the RAF would have been destroyed in a matter of week as was Poland and the French air forces were and Hitler was carried with that sense of optimism but as we know they clearly underestimated the task . Don't forget Germany also had in place the airborne troops something which at the time would have been extremely difficult to defend against as the resupply of the British Army after Dunkirk was still ongoing with a shortage of basic equipment still very much evident.
From what I've read on the subject Hitler was never particularly enthusiastic about Operation Sealion, from both a political and a practical standpoint. Plans for the invasion of the UK were drawn up because of the need to cover every eventuality, and some in his inner circle believed it was a good option, although most believed it to be both extremely difficult and ultimately unnecessary if Britain could be forced to the negotiation table.
Politically Hitler was known to be an admirer of the British Empire and would have much preferred a settlement that gave him free reign in the East whilst securing his Western borders. It's likely that he would have offered guarantees about non-interference in the Dominions in return, although given the experiences of Poland and Czechoslovakia it's hard to imagine anyone in the British Govt taking those guarantees seriously.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 18:11 - Jul 13 with 551 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 18:05 - Jul 13 by Dr_Winston
From what I've read on the subject Hitler was never particularly enthusiastic about Operation Sealion, from both a political and a practical standpoint. Plans for the invasion of the UK were drawn up because of the need to cover every eventuality, and some in his inner circle believed it was a good option, although most believed it to be both extremely difficult and ultimately unnecessary if Britain could be forced to the negotiation table.
Politically Hitler was known to be an admirer of the British Empire and would have much preferred a settlement that gave him free reign in the East whilst securing his Western borders. It's likely that he would have offered guarantees about non-interference in the Dominions in return, although given the experiences of Poland and Czechoslovakia it's hard to imagine anyone in the British Govt taking those guarantees seriously.
You're right , it was Goering's enthusiasm and his other generals who thought we were at our weakest whilst others were more cautious , Goering won the argument but then in turn lost the battle . Hitler's real enemy was always the Russians and did hope we the UK would join forces to destroy Russia as an entity , whom he considered sub human hence the barbaric acts committed during that invasion.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 18:29 - Jul 13 with 536 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 10:22 - Jul 13 by Gwyn737
Not sure about that.
Most who wanted to remain knew that the EU wasn’t by any means perfect weighed against the advantages fell on the side of staying in.
I certainly never felt hated by the EU.
and there were many not driven by racism but a belief that this country could and should be allowed to make its own laws and not be governed by an unelected panel of to put it bluntly political nobodies . Of course there were advantages to remain but also many disadvantages with it such as: Fewer borders and restrictions means more opportunities for the movement of undesirables and those whose aim is the destabilise a government . Tying the hands of local governments on certain issues. Currency support is a requirement for stable politics. with the banking crisis in Greece and Italy which faced facing a banking crisis , with billions in doubtful loans on the books. It lacks transparency. with Elections in member nations are public and transparent. The election of the European Union is not. It costs an awful lot of money. with Member states forced to provide billions in support to the European Union every year and its always in favour of the EU not the member states
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 18:53 - Jul 13 with 525 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 18:11 - Jul 13 by Boundy
You're right , it was Goering's enthusiasm and his other generals who thought we were at our weakest whilst others were more cautious , Goering won the argument but then in turn lost the battle . Hitler's real enemy was always the Russians and did hope we the UK would join forces to destroy Russia as an entity , whom he considered sub human hence the barbaric acts committed during that invasion.
It's a historical sliding door moment, but I've always wondered what would have happened had we Allied with the Germans in WW1 rather than the French.
There would have been no Versailles, no Weimar Republic and therefore almost certainly no Hitler. It's also hugely likely that, undistracted by WW1, The British and German Empires combined would have strangled the Bolshevik Revolution in its crib so no Soviet Union either.
It's possible that there might still have been some form of war in the Pacific as the Japanese militarists would have strived to create an Empire of their own, but overall the 20th Century could well have been a lot more peaceful, if starved of the technological innovation that comes hand in hand with conflict.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 20:43 - Jul 13 with 463 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 23:26 - Jul 10 by ItchySphincter
But you won, why would you want to keep it quiet?
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Who is keeping it quiet, unlike the perpetual moaners, most of the world has just got n with things. That's the way it goes, things happen and carrying on bitching about it 8 years later is rally pointless. Even more pointless is dragging it up on a thread about a general election result and taking it off topic.
Anyway, reform won 5 seats, probably their high point, with any luck.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 20:51 - Jul 13 with 461 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 08:47 - Jul 12 by ItchySphincter
Thank you major.
At the end of the day we have to make the most of it. People had their own personal reasons for voting for it and some had good intentions, but it’s obvious now to most that it was a mistake, and that it was done for the wrong reasons.
I have no problem with people making mistakes in principle, but it takes a big man to admit it, and a very small man to double down on it and refuse to fix it, because they don’t want to admit they made a mistake.
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OOoh, well look at it this way, there is no "fixing it" at least not in the way you want it fixed because even Starmer has said there'll be no new referendum.
On the other hand, even acepting it was a mistake at the time, looking at the way the EU is going it doesn't look so bad. After all, if we were racists for voting to leave what does that make all those people across EU states who have been protesting about immigration.
Now we have done brexit literally to death, we can carry on harping on about the past or we can try to make a better future which even Labour don't see as inside the EU, over to you.
PS, my reasons for voting to leave were and still are valid and I'm happy with my decision. You call it a mistake, I don't therefore I have nothing to admit to.
Now move on.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 21:03 - Jul 13 with 457 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 20:52 - Jul 11 by ItchySphincter
Well at least my life isn’t so sad, pathetic and miserable that I’m practically falling over myself to vote for making other peoples lives worse. BTW, I didn’t post about Brexit,I posted a reponse to Cat ‘s awful assessment of James O’Brien - why is it, do you think, that Cat hates him so much? 😂😂
But you are sad, pathetic and miserable enough to keep harping on about brexit. You clearly like O'Brien and I have to wonder why that is?
O don'tlike him because hes shouty and rude and his tabloid career included the daily mail and the express, he loves telling people why they are wrong, as do you. You have that in common, you are mildly abusive not a trait that changes peoples minds, it gets peoples backs up. I don't actually hate him though, hate is a strong wor to use on somebody I never met. I disike what I know of him would be more accurate. Just like I dislike when people ome on here posting what looks like deliberate attempts to wind people up.
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Will Reform win a single seat? on 22:26 - Jul 13 with 411 views
Will Reform win a single seat? on 21:03 - Jul 13 by SullutaCreturned
But you are sad, pathetic and miserable enough to keep harping on about brexit. You clearly like O'Brien and I have to wonder why that is?
O don'tlike him because hes shouty and rude and his tabloid career included the daily mail and the express, he loves telling people why they are wrong, as do you. You have that in common, you are mildly abusive not a trait that changes peoples minds, it gets peoples backs up. I don't actually hate him though, hate is a strong wor to use on somebody I never met. I disike what I know of him would be more accurate. Just like I dislike when people ome on here posting what looks like deliberate attempts to wind people up.
Calm down for goodness sake. I only post in response to what’s been written, I didn’t start the thread. Sorry (not sorry) if a different opinion is a bit uncomfortable for you. Stop being so salty.
‘……. like a moth to Itchy’s flame ……’
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