| Keir Starmer today 14:02 - Mar 6 with 4556 views | SullutaCreturned |
Good to see him really on the offensive, having a proper go at the tories.
I know some will disagree but for me he should have been doing it for months, in politics, why not kick the oppo when they are down?
In his own words "what is the point of a party that is out of touch, oit of ideas and nearly out of road" |  | | |  |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:41 - Mar 9 with 1314 views | Whiterockin |
| Keir Starmer today on 09:26 - Mar 9 by controversial_jack |
State pension alone, doesn't reach the threshold for paying income tax. Tax, is calculated on your income combined |
Yes but obviously if you have an increase in your state pension your gross income increases. Therefore your tax burden if there is no rise in thresholds. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 11:46 - Mar 9 with 1280 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:41 - Mar 9 by Whiterockin |
Yes but obviously if you have an increase in your state pension your gross income increases. Therefore your tax burden if there is no rise in thresholds. |
Correct. State pension rising to £11.5K, personal allowance is £12.5K.
Any earned or pension income above £12.5 get taxed. |  |
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| Keir Starmer today on 13:35 - Mar 9 with 1228 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Keir Starmer today on 11:46 - Mar 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Correct. State pension rising to £11.5K, personal allowance is £12.5K.
Any earned or pension income above £12.5 get taxed. |
So the gripe is people still working past retirement age will pay more tax?
Both of us work, I also have an occupational pension already paying out. I pay a load of tax because my occy pension is over the 12.5k, such is life. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 14:30 - Mar 9 with 1212 views | Whiterockin |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:35 - Mar 9 by SullutaCreturned |
So the gripe is people still working past retirement age will pay more tax?
Both of us work, I also have an occupational pension already paying out. I pay a load of tax because my occy pension is over the 12.5k, such is life. |
But the point is you have received the 2% cut in NI. 8.5 million pensioners who pay tax will be worse off than if the same cut was in income tax or the threshold was raised. That is a hell of a lot of people of voting age. The reason why I feel Starmer should have said something instead of concentrating on "working prople".
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You don't need to be working after retirement age to pay tax. [Post edited 9 Mar 14:32]
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| Keir Starmer today on 18:51 - Mar 9 with 1140 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Keir Starmer today on 14:30 - Mar 9 by Whiterockin |
But the point is you have received the 2% cut in NI. 8.5 million pensioners who pay tax will be worse off than if the same cut was in income tax or the threshold was raised. That is a hell of a lot of people of voting age. The reason why I feel Starmer should have said something instead of concentrating on "working prople".
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You don't need to be working after retirement age to pay tax. [Post edited 9 Mar 14:32]
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No but you will need to have another income. I knw it makes it sound like I don't care but ets face it, pensioners are not as badly off as they used to be. The triple lock has pushed the pension up quite quickly.
Those young people with no job security, on minimum wage, facing high housing costs, I'm more worried about them (including my 15 year old and 17year old sons) and whatbthe future holds for them.
By the time I hit retirement age my occy pension will be up over 20k, add in my state pension and I am 100% going to be paying tax til my dying day, that is why we have been busy planning the best way forward to make sure our 15 yr old son has the best start we can give him. He'll need more help than we will. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 22:09 - Mar 9 with 1086 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 14:30 - Mar 9 by Whiterockin |
But the point is you have received the 2% cut in NI. 8.5 million pensioners who pay tax will be worse off than if the same cut was in income tax or the threshold was raised. That is a hell of a lot of people of voting age. The reason why I feel Starmer should have said something instead of concentrating on "working prople".
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You don't need to be working after retirement age to pay tax. [Post edited 9 Mar 14:32]
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The point you make is valid, however the country is in a mess, we don’t have enough money to pay for public services, service the national debt, benefits etc etc and choices have to be made. The budget is smoke and mirrors, the below article from the BBC highlights a couple of things most people aren’t aware of - for every £1 Hunt is “giving away” following the cut in NI contribution rate, he will be taking £1.90 back in. We’re all going to be paying more, that’s the workers and retired. People could potentially be paying more tax via interest on savings.
I think pensioners have done pretty well over the last few years, raising NI as opposed to the tax rate will share the pain a little bit more - but we’re all going to be paying more! We need to encourage people off benefits and in to work, if we can reduce the number of people who are economically inactive then we can all pay a little less. I’m retired but I’ve got kids who are starting to make their way in life and it’s much more difficult for them than it was for my generation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68516710 | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 05:55 - Mar 10 with 1064 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:11 - Mar 8 by Whiterockin |
Thats a fair point. But with the budget change costing 8.5 million pensioners £1,000 a year and all those pensioners obviously of voting age, you would think Starmer would say something. Or is he getting complacent. |
Not costing the pensioners anything.
They are getting an 8.9% rise in April
Last year they got 11% rise last April.
They also got £500 winter fuel allowance last December.
We are doing quite well thank you. | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 06:01 - Mar 10 with 1060 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 14:30 - Mar 9 by Whiterockin |
But the point is you have received the 2% cut in NI. 8.5 million pensioners who pay tax will be worse off than if the same cut was in income tax or the threshold was raised. That is a hell of a lot of people of voting age. The reason why I feel Starmer should have said something instead of concentrating on "working prople".
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You don't need to be working after retirement age to pay tax. [Post edited 9 Mar 14:32]
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No but you do need another source of income before a pensioners pays income tax. The pension in April is still less than the tax threshold.
The real problem is the 3 million people not working who's benefits are all tax free and if the have dependants are way above the tax threshold. | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 08:59 - Mar 10 with 1008 views | Whiterockin |
| Keir Starmer today on 05:55 - Mar 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Not costing the pensioners anything.
They are getting an 8.9% rise in April
Last year they got 11% rise last April.
They also got £500 winter fuel allowance last December.
We are doing quite well thank you. |
Was the £500 if there were two pensionable people living in the same house. That's not always the case. Granted the pension has gone up, but if one partner has passed away its not always easy, you can be just above the tax threshold and struggling as with many working. Raising the threshold rather than the cut in NI would have been better IMO, but not such a headline grabber. I take your point about the implications of the IT cut. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:05 - Mar 10 with 972 views | controversial_jack |
Although the pension has risen, it's still a very poor one in comparison to many countries. It must be very difficult to live off that alone | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:14 - Mar 10 with 971 views | Whiterockin |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:05 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
Although the pension has risen, it's still a very poor one in comparison to many countries. It must be very difficult to live off that alone |
The days of final salary pensions have long gone for the majority and a single pensioner now is not finding it easy even if they have a smallish company/private pension on top. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 18:51 - Mar 10 with 905 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:05 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
Although the pension has risen, it's still a very poor one in comparison to many countries. It must be very difficult to live off that alone |
It is poorer than many European countries, but the places where they have better pensions tend to be the ones where there are higher taxation rates and better public services. What we have that many places don’t is the NHS, I know it’s not without its faults but it is free.
I’d be open to paying a little more tax for the NHS, but I’m not convinced our politicians would use the money well.
It is poorer than many European countries, but the places where they have better pensions tend to be the ones where there are higher taxation rates. What we have that many places don’t is the NHS, I know it’s not without its faults but it is free.
There’s an interesting article in today Guardian/Observer, if you can read past the political narrative there’s some really interesting stuff.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/10/rishi-sunak-and-his-desper | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 19:50 - Mar 10 with 884 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:14 - Mar 10 by Whiterockin |
The days of final salary pensions have long gone for the majority and a single pensioner now is not finding it easy even if they have a smallish company/private pension on top. |
Since the demise of final salary pensions the alternative pensions are totally inadequate. There's going to be a lot of hardship in this country in the coming years | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:16 - Mar 10 with 860 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 19:50 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
Since the demise of final salary pensions the alternative pensions are totally inadequate. There's going to be a lot of hardship in this country in the coming years |
100%. A succession of governments have failed to long term views/ approaches to pensions and it’s going to cause huge issues going forward. If people fail to, or can’t afford to make provisions for their retirement then assuming there’s a welfare state they’ll likely be dependent on it.
Our politicians are remarkably short sighted. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 09:49 - Mar 11 with 823 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:16 - Mar 10 by majorraglan |
100%. A succession of governments have failed to long term views/ approaches to pensions and it’s going to cause huge issues going forward. If people fail to, or can’t afford to make provisions for their retirement then assuming there’s a welfare state they’ll likely be dependent on it.
Our politicians are remarkably short sighted. |
Our politicians can only see as far as the next election. None of them are doing what’s right for the country long term, they’re just feathering their own nests whilst they are in power. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 17:03 - Mar 11 with 778 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:16 - Mar 10 by majorraglan |
100%. A succession of governments have failed to long term views/ approaches to pensions and it’s going to cause huge issues going forward. If people fail to, or can’t afford to make provisions for their retirement then assuming there’s a welfare state they’ll likely be dependent on it.
Our politicians are remarkably short sighted. |
Long term strategic failures:
NHS
Social Care
Housing
Pensions
Energy
Transport
Welfare
Doesn't matter who you elect. | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 12:38 - Mar 12 with 720 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 17:03 - Mar 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Long term strategic failures:
NHS
Social Care
Housing
Pensions
Energy
Transport
Welfare
Doesn't matter who you elect. |
That's capitalism for you! | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:47 - Mar 14 with 639 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:05 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
Although the pension has risen, it's still a very poor one in comparison to many countries. It must be very difficult to live off that alone |
It is also a good pension on comparison to 80% of the countries in the World. Plus their are many other benefits pensioners get . | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 07:49 - Mar 14 with 637 views | felixstowe_jack |
Far better than socialism, especially that dished out by communist left wing dictators who kill anyone who disagrees with them. | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 08:38 - Mar 14 with 623 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:49 - Mar 14 by felixstowe_jack |
Far better than socialism, especially that dished out by communist left wing dictators who kill anyone who disagrees with them. |
But they are not communist, they are their totalitarian gangsters. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 09:40 - Mar 14 with 609 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:49 - Mar 14 by felixstowe_jack |
Far better than socialism, especially that dished out by communist left wing dictators who kill anyone who disagrees with them. |
Communist dictators? Communism is not about single person rule it's collective rule. There are very few communist countries thesedays. There are many who have left wing leanings, such as the Scandinavian countries, and they have better pensions and benefits then we have. Israel is hardly a communist country either and they are slaughtering innocents as well as guilty | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:46 - Mar 14 with 587 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 09:40 - Mar 14 by controversial_jack |
Communist dictators? Communism is not about single person rule it's collective rule. There are very few communist countries thesedays. There are many who have left wing leanings, such as the Scandinavian countries, and they have better pensions and benefits then we have. Israel is hardly a communist country either and they are slaughtering innocents as well as guilty |
Israel is a democratic capitalist country. Not sure why you have gone off topic again.
Hamas Russia Iran and many other failed States and terrorist supporters are still killing many innocent civilians and invading other countries. Please stick to the topic of the Post rather than spreading your hatred of democracy. | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 16:33 - Mar 14 with 534 views | controversial_jack |
| Keir Starmer today on 10:46 - Mar 14 by felixstowe_jack |
Israel is a democratic capitalist country. Not sure why you have gone off topic again.
Hamas Russia Iran and many other failed States and terrorist supporters are still killing many innocent civilians and invading other countries. Please stick to the topic of the Post rather than spreading your hatred of democracy. |
Nothing democratic about Israel. It doesn't have universal suffrage. It's Israel that's killing innocents, 30k at the last count. Sorry if I upset you | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 18:46 - Mar 14 with 522 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:49 - Mar 14 by felixstowe_jack |
Far better than socialism, especially that dished out by communist left wing dictators who kill anyone who disagrees with them. |
That’s really important.
Stalin was a Georgian thug but there is an argument he did hold an ideology.
Putin is just a thug. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 21:00 - Mar 14 with 476 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Keir Starmer today on 16:33 - Mar 14 by controversial_jack |
Nothing democratic about Israel. It doesn't have universal suffrage. It's Israel that's killing innocents, 30k at the last count. Sorry if I upset you |
The right to vote in the Israeli elections is reserved for Israeli citizens who are 18 years or older and whose name is registered in the voters’ registry. People whose legal status at the time of the elections is only that of a permanent resident do not have the right to vote. Likewise, Israeli citizens staying abroad will not be able to vote, aside from the exceptional cases of civil servants and their families, who can vote in Israeli embassies and consulates abroad. | | | |
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