| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR 04:58 - Jan 24 with 4157 views | earthdweller |
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Long time listener first time caller. Favorite cheese, will name three, p’tit basque, humboldt fog, and midnight moon. Now a question. Will QPR ever get back to the Premier League? [Post edited 24 Jan 2023 5:07]
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 05:47 - Jan 24 with 4093 views | BushRanger82 |
Going on the experience of the last soul destroying 3 or 4 seasons we have spent there, I bloody well hope not. |  | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 06:59 - Jan 24 with 3984 views | Dorse |
Knowing our luck, we'd get promoted just as the European Super League kicks off and kills football.
I'd love to think we have a chance but I can't see it this year. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 07:06 - Jan 24 with 3973 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 05:47 - Jan 24 by BushRanger82 |
Going on the experience of the last soul destroying 3 or 4 seasons we have spent there, I bloody well hope not. |
By the time we do, the sovereign wealth fund backed clubs will have buggered off to play in a global superleague.
Just our luck that our first home game upon our return to the Prem against Plymouth, is moved to an 05:20 kick off on a Monday by the police, TV and assorted Sheiks and Emirs, so as not to besmerch the clashes between Arsenal v. Boca; Chelsea v. Inter Miami and Al Nasser v. Real Madrid - taking place at Twickenham - over the weekend. |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 07:58 - Jan 24 with 3843 views | TheChef |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 06:59 - Jan 24 by Dorse |
Knowing our luck, we'd get promoted just as the European Super League kicks off and kills football.
I'd love to think we have a chance but I can't see it this year. |
The eternal optimist in me says we'll get back to the Prem at some point.
But going on previous form I'm sure we'll cock it up and miss out on another cash explosion. |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 08:16 - Jan 24 with 3784 views | HAYESBOY |
Yes. |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 09:18 - Jan 24 with 3674 views | stantheman10 |
Who cares! Couldn't give a flying one about the 'best league in the world' (Sky tm).
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 09:19 - Jan 24 with 3672 views | Sonofpugwash |
Of course.
After the financial crash anyone with a kilo bar of gold will be able to buy practically anything.  |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 09:54 - Jan 24 with 3563 views | Rs_Holy |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 08:16 - Jan 24 by HAYESBOY |
Yes. |
I'd like to us fluke a 1 off promotion (it can be done) not spend an extra penny on players.... write off the next season, invest properly in the youth set up and be financially sound in the Championship going forward. |  | | |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 10:21 - Jan 24 with 3471 views | Loyalitat |
After watching Fulham v Spurs last night and hearing some of Spurs' self-entitled fans constantly singing " we want Levy out" after all that he has done for that club, I really don't care if we never make it to the "promised land" again.
However If we do, we have to be realistic, learn our lessons from previous Premier League mistakes and look after the largesse just like Crystal Palace did when they first gained promotion.
The squad that got them promoted through the play-offs was much weaker than our promoted squad under Neil Warnock, they barely added to it. Their fans got and still get what they are about and where they have come from, I'm not sure if we do get it anymore. QPR being a permanent fixture in the Premier League "as is", will never happen.
Palace have been there for 10 consecutive seasons, yet they have kept their perspective. We keep talking about a new ground as if it will be the panacea. By way of layout and discomfort, their ground isn't too dissimilar to ours, just a larger capacity of 25.000. They are only now looking at redeveloping their home end, which will extend the capacity to about 34,000. We had a crackpot idea of getting a new 40,000 arena! | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 10:27 - Jan 24 with 3440 views | Tonto |
i hated the premier league. the first season was just about OK, as it was an opportunity to go to a few new grounds, and we survived, but the second season under Hughes was awful. i gave up my season ticket at the end of it, as the gulf between us and the "top teams " TM SKY was so much, that the results were soul crushing, it wasnt a level playing field and never will be until finances are shared across all of football.
so I'll be honest, I dont care if we do get promoted. i more care that the football is enjoyable, and exciting and we flirt with promotion and maybe we do go up, but its not the end of the world if we dont. |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 11:51 - Jan 24 with 3292 views | daveB |
for all the anger towards the Prem is anyone actually enjoying the Championship much either? |  | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:01 - Jan 24 with 3240 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 11:51 - Jan 24 by daveB |
for all the anger towards the Prem is anyone actually enjoying the Championship much either? |
I am.
Good games most weeks and no VAR. |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:12 - Jan 24 with 3215 views | Rs_Holy |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:01 - Jan 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
I am.
Good games most weeks and no VAR. |
me too ... fantastic division... Different winners each season, playoffs mean most teams have something to play with only a few games to go, no plastic fans, no Carragher and Neville, and yes Brian NO VAR!!!! | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:31 - Jan 24 with 3143 views | Loyalitat |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 11:51 - Jan 24 by daveB |
for all the anger towards the Prem is anyone actually enjoying the Championship much either? |
Love it. Just 18 points separate third top from third bottom in the league.
It's not the best for overall quality, but at least virtually every side goes into each game with a realistic chance of winning. We manage to get 4 points in the two games against Sheffield United, but lose to Huddersfield and Blackpool at home, and draw at home to Rotherham.
If the two lost games had been won, we'd now be level on points with Watford. It's a crazy league and I like it. | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:33 - Jan 24 with 3119 views | NewBee |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 10:21 - Jan 24 by Loyalitat |
After watching Fulham v Spurs last night and hearing some of Spurs' self-entitled fans constantly singing " we want Levy out" after all that he has done for that club, I really don't care if we never make it to the "promised land" again.
However If we do, we have to be realistic, learn our lessons from previous Premier League mistakes and look after the largesse just like Crystal Palace did when they first gained promotion.
The squad that got them promoted through the play-offs was much weaker than our promoted squad under Neil Warnock, they barely added to it. Their fans got and still get what they are about and where they have come from, I'm not sure if we do get it anymore. QPR being a permanent fixture in the Premier League "as is", will never happen.
Palace have been there for 10 consecutive seasons, yet they have kept their perspective. We keep talking about a new ground as if it will be the panacea. By way of layout and discomfort, their ground isn't too dissimilar to ours, just a larger capacity of 25.000. They are only now looking at redeveloping their home end, which will extend the capacity to about 34,000. We had a crackpot idea of getting a new 40,000 arena! |
"After watching Fulham v Spurs last night and hearing some of Spurs' self-entitled fans constantly singing " we want Levy out" after all that he has done for that club, I really don't care if we never make it to the "promised land" again."
Everything Levy has done has ultimately been for the benefit of ENIC, the legal owner of Spurs, who are 25% owned by him and 75% by octagenarian, billionaire tax exile, Joe Lewis. (JL virtually never attends games, I believe).
Sure, Levy (& Lewis) have built Spurs arguably the best Stadium and Training ground in European football, but all of that has gone towards making the club worth £3bn? £4bn? £5bn?, i.e. an amount many times whatever they have put into the club from their own resources, and which they stand to trouser if/when they sell up.
Of course, you could argue that football-wise, under their stewardsship, Spurs have taken their place amongst the PL's Big Six, while competing regularly in Europe etc. Except that when the PL was originally being formed in the 1990's (i.e long before ENIC took over), Spurs were already one of the Big Five, alongside L'pool, MU, Arsenal and Everton(!). While they already had a good record in Europe, incl being the first British team to win a European trophy, in 1962.
Meanwhile, Levy has now been in charge for 20 years, yet they haven't won a trophy since 2008, and even then it was only the the League Cup. Against that backgroud, Spurs fans regularly pack out a 60k stadium, despite paying just about the highest tivket prices in the PL, which must mean the highest in Europe. I read recently that this includes 42k ST holders with a further 96k on the waiting list,with a six figure membership renewing every season.
During that time, the fans have witnessed Levy appointing, then sacking 12(?) permanent managers, both crap (eg Christian Gross), overrated/overpaid eg Mourinho), but also well-liked and respected (eg Pochettino, who had to go two transfer windows without a single signing - unique in PL history):
https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/tottenham-managers-hired-d
On top of that,without consulting anybody, Levy also signed the club up for the European Super League, which the fans absolutely hated.
After 20 years with Levy in charge, I don't think it at all unreasonable for Spurs fans to have concluded that he has taken them as far as he can, so it's overdue for him to sell up, take his vast profit and let someone else have a go.
You know, at actually winning something. And on the football pitch, not in the accounts. | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:55 - Jan 24 with 3016 views | Loyalitat |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:33 - Jan 24 by NewBee |
"After watching Fulham v Spurs last night and hearing some of Spurs' self-entitled fans constantly singing " we want Levy out" after all that he has done for that club, I really don't care if we never make it to the "promised land" again."
Everything Levy has done has ultimately been for the benefit of ENIC, the legal owner of Spurs, who are 25% owned by him and 75% by octagenarian, billionaire tax exile, Joe Lewis. (JL virtually never attends games, I believe).
Sure, Levy (& Lewis) have built Spurs arguably the best Stadium and Training ground in European football, but all of that has gone towards making the club worth £3bn? £4bn? £5bn?, i.e. an amount many times whatever they have put into the club from their own resources, and which they stand to trouser if/when they sell up.
Of course, you could argue that football-wise, under their stewardsship, Spurs have taken their place amongst the PL's Big Six, while competing regularly in Europe etc. Except that when the PL was originally being formed in the 1990's (i.e long before ENIC took over), Spurs were already one of the Big Five, alongside L'pool, MU, Arsenal and Everton(!). While they already had a good record in Europe, incl being the first British team to win a European trophy, in 1962.
Meanwhile, Levy has now been in charge for 20 years, yet they haven't won a trophy since 2008, and even then it was only the the League Cup. Against that backgroud, Spurs fans regularly pack out a 60k stadium, despite paying just about the highest tivket prices in the PL, which must mean the highest in Europe. I read recently that this includes 42k ST holders with a further 96k on the waiting list,with a six figure membership renewing every season.
During that time, the fans have witnessed Levy appointing, then sacking 12(?) permanent managers, both crap (eg Christian Gross), overrated/overpaid eg Mourinho), but also well-liked and respected (eg Pochettino, who had to go two transfer windows without a single signing - unique in PL history):
https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/news/tottenham-managers-hired-d
On top of that,without consulting anybody, Levy also signed the club up for the European Super League, which the fans absolutely hated.
After 20 years with Levy in charge, I don't think it at all unreasonable for Spurs fans to have concluded that he has taken them as far as he can, so it's overdue for him to sell up, take his vast profit and let someone else have a go.
You know, at actually winning something. And on the football pitch, not in the accounts. |
I don't profess to being a Spurs supporter, I'm forever R's. However from the outside, I'd say that he's taken them a very long way in those 20 years. No club has a God-given right to expect to win the major honours. I see Spurs as a very well run club that has competed at the top table but just fallen short. No shame in that.
They only just lost out to Liverpool in the "Champions League" final a few years back. Finished second in the league under Pochettino on one occasion. They're currently 3 points behind Man United and Newcastle in the league, so a top-four finish is a realistic aim.
As for consulting fans/fans' representatives re: Super League, virtually all of the so-called big clubs acted with disdain and failed to consult their respective fanbases either.
I agree that the sacking of Pochttino was a very odd decision especially after he had taken them to the CL final the season beforehand. | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:59 - Jan 24 with 2992 views | TheChef |
Gotta say, as a North London dweller, I find Spurs and Arsenal fans very whiny, entitled and plastic.
Having said that, I won't begrudge Arsenal winning the title this season. | |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:06 - Jan 24 with 2959 views | daveB |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:31 - Jan 24 by Loyalitat |
Love it. Just 18 points separate third top from third bottom in the league.
It's not the best for overall quality, but at least virtually every side goes into each game with a realistic chance of winning. We manage to get 4 points in the two games against Sheffield United, but lose to Huddersfield and Blackpool at home, and draw at home to Rotherham.
If the two lost games had been won, we'd now be level on points with Watford. It's a crazy league and I like it. |
doesn't feel like anyone enjoying it at the games, don't disagree the league is far more open (although top 2 places all done by January this season), never really understood the negativity towards the premier league. is like any other league, if you have a good team and are winning it's great, if not it's dreadful | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:13 - Jan 24 with 2919 views | NewBee |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 12:55 - Jan 24 by Loyalitat |
I don't profess to being a Spurs supporter, I'm forever R's. However from the outside, I'd say that he's taken them a very long way in those 20 years. No club has a God-given right to expect to win the major honours. I see Spurs as a very well run club that has competed at the top table but just fallen short. No shame in that.
They only just lost out to Liverpool in the "Champions League" final a few years back. Finished second in the league under Pochettino on one occasion. They're currently 3 points behind Man United and Newcastle in the league, so a top-four finish is a realistic aim.
As for consulting fans/fans' representatives re: Super League, virtually all of the so-called big clubs acted with disdain and failed to consult their respective fanbases either.
I agree that the sacking of Pochttino was a very odd decision especially after he had taken them to the CL final the season beforehand. |
When Levy took over, Spurs were one of the Bif Five. In the 20 years prior to that, they had won two FA Cups, a League Cup and a UEFA Cup.
In the succeeding 20 years, they are now part of the Big Seven (incls Newcastle) and have won a solitary League Cup, 15 years ago. JMeanwhile, the rest of the Big Five must have won 50+ trophies between them.
And all that's before you also account for the concurrent rise of Chelsea, back then a rubbish club, playing in a crumbling, half-empty sh1thole, under a total arse in Ken Bates.
Levy's two decades-long tenure must surely be the very definition of "Taken them as far as he can", no? | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:27 - Jan 24 with 2860 views | Tonto |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 11:51 - Jan 24 by daveB |
for all the anger towards the Prem is anyone actually enjoying the Championship much either? |
it feels competitive, which is what sport is supposed to be. when sport becomes a forgone conclusion, its boring | |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:45 - Jan 24 with 2781 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:06 - Jan 24 by daveB |
doesn't feel like anyone enjoying it at the games, don't disagree the league is far more open (although top 2 places all done by January this season), never really understood the negativity towards the premier league. is like any other league, if you have a good team and are winning it's great, if not it's dreadful |
I'm not against the Premier League. I don't watch it much as we're not in it, but the VAR is a killer.
I also love our comms compared to Sky. | |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 14:10 - Jan 24 with 2703 views | daveB |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:45 - Jan 24 by BrianMcCarthy |
I'm not against the Premier League. I don't watch it much as we're not in it, but the VAR is a killer.
I also love our comms compared to Sky. |
oh yeah I'm with you on VAR | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 21:06 - Jan 24 with 2446 views | davman |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:06 - Jan 24 by daveB |
doesn't feel like anyone enjoying it at the games, don't disagree the league is far more open (although top 2 places all done by January this season), never really understood the negativity towards the premier league. is like any other league, if you have a good team and are winning it's great, if not it's dreadful |
This.
League One was fun as we won more than we lost. Adel's season in the Champ was fun for the same reason as were the first two seasons of the Barclays Cash Cow Game Destroying League. Other than that and 2021, it has been rather shite being a QPR fan. |  |
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| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 22:01 - Jan 24 with 2310 views | Logman |
Not too bothered if we don't end up in the top six. Not too keen on paying Premiership prices for tickets and reasonably happy watching us competing at a level which befits our size and not chasing the global dream. | | | |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 22:11 - Jan 24 with 2290 views | ManinBlack |
| confucious say sovereign wealth fund will buy QPR on 13:27 - Jan 24 by Tonto |
it feels competitive, which is what sport is supposed to be. when sport becomes a forgone conclusion, its boring |
Interesting perspectives here about the Championship being more competitive. That is true to a point but the two auto promotions usually go to teams with parachute money and it is heading that way again this season. It is through the play offs that clubs without parachute money succeed like Brentford and Forest. Basically the top of the Championship at the end of the season will have the wealthiest at the top like the Premier league.
It is understandable fans don't want to see us struggling to score, win and have long losing streaks in the Premiership. However, one win on 13 is damning and this is Championship football. I can understand us on a run like that in the Premiership but the rubbish we have been served up in the last three months in a division of mediocrity is unacceptable. We support a team that cannot score in front of its own fans which has gone on all season down the Loft end.
Unless something happens with finances then we are stuck in this rut of lack of quality and weak willed players turning out for us. |  | | |
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