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The Michael Beale Thread on 12:24 - May 31 by daveB
I don't think it will be as black and white as that. Beale will obviously have a say but the same as with Warburton the negotiations won't be done by the manager/coach
I think Beale (or whoever the next manager is) will have less say than Warburton did.
My theory is that Scott Twine has more to do with this than we realise. It's generally accepted that he was on our radar, identified by the club and we could've signed him on a free (or low fee?) last summer, someone apparently said no. I suspect that person was Warbs on the basis that Twine's a L1 player and won't help us in our push for play-offs/promotion. The club has decided to go away from their ethos of developing players and backed the manager who then didn't deliver play-offs and as a result we also missed out on a player who's now worth several million £'s.
So I think they're now keen to get back to the original plan of developing players and aren't willing to let themselves get swayed by a manager's ambitions. Hence a head coach, preferable an inexperienced one who won't fight against them too much, possibly why Eustace hasn't been mentioned much. Pure speculation of course, but to me it makes sense.
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:14 - May 31 by slmrstid
Not to throw cold water over the whole thing, but if it is to be Mr Beale then there is the fear in my mind that he could be another very highly rated coach who isn't able to make the transition to manager. Much more to being a manager than just coaching and we've seen many over the years fail to make the step up.
Steve McLaren lets not forget has a wonderful coaching reputation, but we most definitely would not have him as manager again.
Don't get me wrong - if it is Beale then I wish him the very best and hope he is a great success with us - because at the end of the day if he's successful then so are QPR and that will make me happy.
But I am generally a "glass half empty" type so...you know...I have fears! But hopefully I will be wrong and he is great.
I suppose the question is, should he have a more experienced ex-manager as assistant, or does the DoF role essentially become the bridge between coach and players if needed?
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The Michael Beale Thread on 13:23 - May 31 with 3945 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:14 - May 31 by slmrstid
Not to throw cold water over the whole thing, but if it is to be Mr Beale then there is the fear in my mind that he could be another very highly rated coach who isn't able to make the transition to manager. Much more to being a manager than just coaching and we've seen many over the years fail to make the step up.
Steve McLaren lets not forget has a wonderful coaching reputation, but we most definitely would not have him as manager again.
Don't get me wrong - if it is Beale then I wish him the very best and hope he is a great success with us - because at the end of the day if he's successful then so are QPR and that will make me happy.
But I am generally a "glass half empty" type so...you know...I have fears! But hopefully I will be wrong and he is great.
Echo all that but let's hope he is more a Bob Pasley......
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The Michael Beale Thread on 13:29 - May 31 with 3846 views
Shrewd appointment in my opinion. Let’s hope that behind the scenes, egos and insecurities, stay well out of it and help get the club to fully realize the big picture.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 13:36 - May 31 with 3737 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 11:49 - May 31 by MedwayR
He gives me the impression of being a coach rather than a manager, but I also think that is what the club (LF) want. Beale does the coaching while LF does the transfers.
I think the number of old school 'managers' is dwindling fast. Not sure there's one even managing in the top flight now, and not many in our league
Bare bones.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 13:39 - May 31 with 3701 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:14 - May 31 by slmrstid
Not to throw cold water over the whole thing, but if it is to be Mr Beale then there is the fear in my mind that he could be another very highly rated coach who isn't able to make the transition to manager. Much more to being a manager than just coaching and we've seen many over the years fail to make the step up.
Steve McLaren lets not forget has a wonderful coaching reputation, but we most definitely would not have him as manager again.
Don't get me wrong - if it is Beale then I wish him the very best and hope he is a great success with us - because at the end of the day if he's successful then so are QPR and that will make me happy.
But I am generally a "glass half empty" type so...you know...I have fears! But hopefully I will be wrong and he is great.
Well, I am usually the guy that asks "what glass?." when people ask if I am a glass half full or glass half empty kind of guy, but I think an appointment like this is the best all round.
He won't be grabbed on instantly if he doesn't win for the first few games unlike some and we have no preconceptions about what he will be like.
By October though, I'll expect the Chelsea link to bite him on the 'arris, but until then...
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:14 - May 31 by slmrstid
Not to throw cold water over the whole thing, but if it is to be Mr Beale then there is the fear in my mind that he could be another very highly rated coach who isn't able to make the transition to manager. Much more to being a manager than just coaching and we've seen many over the years fail to make the step up.
Steve McLaren lets not forget has a wonderful coaching reputation, but we most definitely would not have him as manager again.
Don't get me wrong - if it is Beale then I wish him the very best and hope he is a great success with us - because at the end of the day if he's successful then so are QPR and that will make me happy.
But I am generally a "glass half empty" type so...you know...I have fears! But hopefully I will be wrong and he is great.
Agree, but there's risk in any appointment and any type of appointment. Both play off final managers have come more through the Beale sort of route, as did Potter I think, Brendan Rodgers and countless others. But I also have fears - agree with you. But I've have fears over anyone we appointed!
Bare bones.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 13:46 - May 31 with 3555 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:40 - May 31 by Antti_Heinola
Agree, but there's risk in any appointment and any type of appointment. Both play off final managers have come more through the Beale sort of route, as did Potter I think, Brendan Rodgers and countless others. But I also have fears - agree with you. But I've have fears over anyone we appointed!
Yes there's probably a fair point there that whoever we'd appoint there'd a be a fear of "Ah yeah but what about when they did..." etc.
We're just naturally fearful down at QPR evidently
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:14 - May 31 by slmrstid
Not to throw cold water over the whole thing, but if it is to be Mr Beale then there is the fear in my mind that he could be another very highly rated coach who isn't able to make the transition to manager. Much more to being a manager than just coaching and we've seen many over the years fail to make the step up.
Steve McLaren lets not forget has a wonderful coaching reputation, but we most definitely would not have him as manager again.
Don't get me wrong - if it is Beale then I wish him the very best and hope he is a great success with us - because at the end of the day if he's successful then so are QPR and that will make me happy.
But I am generally a "glass half empty" type so...you know...I have fears! But hopefully I will be wrong and he is great.
whoever we appoint there is a risk to it even keeping Warburton had it's flaws.
Hopefully the fella does well
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:05 - May 31 with 3317 views
Hope it works for him. Ultimately in the Championship it’s all down to the quality of players and squad size. If his remit is to take academy players into the first team we are heading for L1. Thats how I see it and the club should be honest with us.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:05 - May 31 with 3316 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:20 - May 31 by MedwayR
I think Beale (or whoever the next manager is) will have less say than Warburton did.
My theory is that Scott Twine has more to do with this than we realise. It's generally accepted that he was on our radar, identified by the club and we could've signed him on a free (or low fee?) last summer, someone apparently said no. I suspect that person was Warbs on the basis that Twine's a L1 player and won't help us in our push for play-offs/promotion. The club has decided to go away from their ethos of developing players and backed the manager who then didn't deliver play-offs and as a result we also missed out on a player who's now worth several million £'s.
So I think they're now keen to get back to the original plan of developing players and aren't willing to let themselves get swayed by a manager's ambitions. Hence a head coach, preferable an inexperienced one who won't fight against them too much, possibly why Eustace hasn't been mentioned much. Pure speculation of course, but to me it makes sense.
think there a lot of truth in that. I think as a club we got carried away last summer and had a right go but when that didn't work it was back to square one.
For all the doom and gloom at the moment he's coming into a decent squad. Dieng, Dickie, Dunne, Field, Amos, Willock, Chair, Dykes, Johansen plus some young prospects as well. Obviously going to need to strengthen but it's not a terrible squad he is inheriting.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:08 - May 31 with 3283 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 13:20 - May 31 by MedwayR
I think Beale (or whoever the next manager is) will have less say than Warburton did.
My theory is that Scott Twine has more to do with this than we realise. It's generally accepted that he was on our radar, identified by the club and we could've signed him on a free (or low fee?) last summer, someone apparently said no. I suspect that person was Warbs on the basis that Twine's a L1 player and won't help us in our push for play-offs/promotion. The club has decided to go away from their ethos of developing players and backed the manager who then didn't deliver play-offs and as a result we also missed out on a player who's now worth several million £'s.
So I think they're now keen to get back to the original plan of developing players and aren't willing to let themselves get swayed by a manager's ambitions. Hence a head coach, preferable an inexperienced one who won't fight against them too much, possibly why Eustace hasn't been mentioned much. Pure speculation of course, but to me it makes sense.
But we then signed Andre Dozell from League One. He had, of course, played in The championship, but he was clearly no more likely to help in a promotion push than Twine.
This is not meant to be a dig at Warburton or Dozell, but a counter arguement as to why we didn't sign Twine. I know board members mentioned him as a like to sign (including myself) last summer, but I can't recall any mention of the club being interested.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:15 - May 31 with 3215 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 14:05 - May 31 by BostonR
Hope it works for him. Ultimately in the Championship it’s all down to the quality of players and squad size. If his remit is to take academy players into the first team we are heading for L1. Thats how I see it and the club should be honest with us.
The club have been saying and doing this to be fair. This appointment would back that up if it happens too.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:21 - May 31 with 3145 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 14:08 - May 31 by terryb
But we then signed Andre Dozell from League One. He had, of course, played in The championship, but he was clearly no more likely to help in a promotion push than Twine.
This is not meant to be a dig at Warburton or Dozell, but a counter arguement as to why we didn't sign Twine. I know board members mentioned him as a like to sign (including myself) last summer, but I can't recall any mention of the club being interested.
There was a lot of media talk that we were in for Twine.
Fair point about Dozzell, but different types of players and he also had a lot more pedigree than Twine having been capped by England at youth levels. He'd also been subject of some big bids before injury.
Will this put an end to the evil Les, old boys network , never interview anyone etc etc?
May not work out but at least it fits with a plan of promoting youth and developing Willock etc from £5m into £10m+ players , rinse and repeat…. A lot of candidates that were being thrown out did not.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:40 - May 31 with 2913 views
The Michael Beale Thread on 12:55 - May 31 by BazzaInTheLoft
Decent podcast by the man:
Really interesting listen, the bit about him turning down jobs because he didn't believe in the project and thought the club owners didn't have a vision for the club going forward stood out. He sounds picky but presumably it means he's been sold a vision and a project at QPR that he has bought into
As for anyone talking about L1, we are not finishing next season below Reading, Birmingham, Rotherham, Wigan, Bristol City, Hull or Cardiff. So thats a good start.
The Michael Beale Thread on 14:40 - May 31 by aston_hoop
Really interesting listen, the bit about him turning down jobs because he didn't believe in the project and thought the club owners didn't have a vision for the club going forward stood out. He sounds picky but presumably it means he's been sold a vision and a project at QPR that he has bought into
As for anyone talking about L1, we are not finishing next season below Reading, Birmingham, Rotherham, Wigan, Bristol City, Hull or Cardiff. So thats a good start.
The podcast is a year old, but his experience at Rangers 2021 sounds like QPR 2022.
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The Michael Beale Thread on 14:56 - May 31 with 2720 views
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