| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 07:25 - Mar 7 with 1513 views | bennytheblue |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 00:05 - Mar 7 by Catullus |
We have a few who will hopefully make the grade this year, there's the 2 Coopers, Cullen (he's not good enough I don't think but we'll see and Cameron Congreve whom Russell Martin speaks very highly of.
I'm sure Jasper could name more. There's Rushesha maybe too.
The big difference between us right now is the debt level. Your debts and the court cases could be a real problem for you. If the league come after you for breaching FFP it could turn bad very quickly. |
It’s not really, 15 million for Sala was always put aside allegedly. Debts were 180 million a few years ago…now it’s 60 to Tan and 18 to Dalman. Also we are well within ffp. Also, for the first time I can ever recall we seem to have a production line of talent coming through at many levels, average age of 23/24.
Teams like Stoke and Bristol city will be looking at points deductions next year just to name two… [Post edited 7 Mar 2022 7:26]
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 09:07 - Mar 7 with 1451 views | jasper_T |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 00:05 - Mar 7 by Catullus |
We have a few who will hopefully make the grade this year, there's the 2 Coopers, Cullen (he's not good enough I don't think but we'll see and Cameron Congreve whom Russell Martin speaks very highly of.
I'm sure Jasper could name more. There's Rushesha maybe too.
The big difference between us right now is the debt level. Your debts and the court cases could be a real problem for you. If the league come after you for breaching FFP it could turn bad very quickly. |
Dan Williams is a local, been here since u8s. Brandon Cooper was around the same age, as was Liam Cullen. Ollie Cooper son of Kevin (ex-Cardiff and Newport player) joined at u12s, as did Tivonge Rushesha.
Ben Lloyd was at Cardiff until u12s, but he and family all Swans fans. Joel Cotterill almost signed for Cardiff early on, supposedly, but there was an admin issue. Been a regular in the u23s this season as a first year scholar. We only got Cat 1 status in 2016, when many of those yet to break through would have already been a few years into their pathway.
Iwan Morgan came over to us from Cardiff just over a year ago. In his u16s season and on fire for our u18s at the moment. Strong centre forward. Outperforming Geoffroy Bony, who must count as local by now. |  | | |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 09:56 - Mar 7 with 1404 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 07:25 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
It’s not really, 15 million for Sala was always put aside allegedly. Debts were 180 million a few years ago…now it’s 60 to Tan and 18 to Dalman. Also we are well within ffp. Also, for the first time I can ever recall we seem to have a production line of talent coming through at many levels, average age of 23/24.
Teams like Stoke and Bristol city will be looking at points deductions next year just to name two… [Post edited 7 Mar 2022 7:26]
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I think we both know that 15m was not put aside.
After stating that, he forgot and said ''losing that case could bankrupt the club'' - which of course wouldn't be the case if the initial statement were true. |  |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 11:38 - Mar 7 with 1370 views | felixstowe_jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 07:25 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
It’s not really, 15 million for Sala was always put aside allegedly. Debts were 180 million a few years ago…now it’s 60 to Tan and 18 to Dalman. Also we are well within ffp. Also, for the first time I can ever recall we seem to have a production line of talent coming through at many levels, average age of 23/24.
Teams like Stoke and Bristol city will be looking at points deductions next year just to name two… [Post edited 7 Mar 2022 7:26]
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The accounts show debts of £109 million, £60 million to Tan, £18 million to Dalman. They have loan from the EFL of £6.2 million. The also have another loan of £18 million at 9% interest p.a .
Tan loan is interest bearing at 7% p.a.
The club also offered all its directors the opportunity to subscribe for new shares unsurprisingly on Tan took up this offer converting £6.6 of his loans into new shares. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 12:14 - Mar 7 with 1359 views | bennytheblue |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 11:38 - Mar 7 by felixstowe_jack |
The accounts show debts of £109 million, £60 million to Tan, £18 million to Dalman. They have loan from the EFL of £6.2 million. The also have another loan of £18 million at 9% interest p.a .
Tan loan is interest bearing at 7% p.a.
The club also offered all its directors the opportunity to subscribe for new shares unsurprisingly on Tan took up this offer converting £6.6 of his loans into new shares. |
Another is Tans son who is becoming increasingly more involved and has close connections to another young Chinese billionaire who might well be getting more involved as Tan looks to pass the club on to the younger generation. | | | |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:45 - Mar 7 with 1306 views | Catullus |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 07:25 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
It’s not really, 15 million for Sala was always put aside allegedly. Debts were 180 million a few years ago…now it’s 60 to Tan and 18 to Dalman. Also we are well within ffp. Also, for the first time I can ever recall we seem to have a production line of talent coming through at many levels, average age of 23/24.
Teams like Stoke and Bristol city will be looking at points deductions next year just to name two… [Post edited 7 Mar 2022 7:26]
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FFP allows you to lose 39 million over 3 years. You are well outside of that. You owe money to others besides Tan and Dalman, who are both charging the club interest by the way.
Lose these cases, any one f them and it increases your debt, lose 2 or all 3 and you go a lot more into debt.
I'm sure Nantes will expect interest on their 15 million too, that's 3 years worth and counting, it could add another 2 million plus on the bill as well as legal costs.
It's true other clubs are sailing close to the FFP winds too, I guess we'll see what happens, you might get lucky. maybe you'd have been better off paying your bills, y'know, like you Cardiff fans always say to us. Except our total debts back then were a small percentage of what you owe. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:57 - Mar 7 with 1294 views | bennytheblue |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:45 - Mar 7 by Catullus |
FFP allows you to lose 39 million over 3 years. You are well outside of that. You owe money to others besides Tan and Dalman, who are both charging the club interest by the way.
Lose these cases, any one f them and it increases your debt, lose 2 or all 3 and you go a lot more into debt.
I'm sure Nantes will expect interest on their 15 million too, that's 3 years worth and counting, it could add another 2 million plus on the bill as well as legal costs.
It's true other clubs are sailing close to the FFP winds too, I guess we'll see what happens, you might get lucky. maybe you'd have been better off paying your bills, y'know, like you Cardiff fans always say to us. Except our total debts back then were a small percentage of what you owe. |
Isaacs case is a total joke, he only bought in for about 350k years ago….everyone’s shares went down it’s how it goes ffs….as for hammam an even bigger joke and that’s from fans I know who know him. He just misses coming to watch us. 
Sala might well be a pay up, if so, insurance will take care of it eventually or we write it off as two Gary madines…still, thanks for your continued concern but you can keep the buckets u der the sink for now at least | | | |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:59 - Mar 7 with 1291 views | bennytheblue |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:45 - Mar 7 by Catullus |
FFP allows you to lose 39 million over 3 years. You are well outside of that. You owe money to others besides Tan and Dalman, who are both charging the club interest by the way.
Lose these cases, any one f them and it increases your debt, lose 2 or all 3 and you go a lot more into debt.
I'm sure Nantes will expect interest on their 15 million too, that's 3 years worth and counting, it could add another 2 million plus on the bill as well as legal costs.
It's true other clubs are sailing close to the FFP winds too, I guess we'll see what happens, you might get lucky. maybe you'd have been better off paying your bills, y'know, like you Cardiff fans always say to us. Except our total debts back then were a small percentage of what you owe. |
Moreover, how much loans have you lot taken in the last few years? About 50 million to someone isn’t it? I don’t think those 12,000 crowds quite cover the wages do they? | | | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 15:14 - Mar 7 with 1271 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:59 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
Moreover, how much loans have you lot taken in the last few years? About 50 million to someone isn’t it? I don’t think those 12,000 crowds quite cover the wages do they? |
I think it’s not 50 million 🙄
The average is more like 17k. Although someone will no doubt have the figures. |  |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 15:18 - Mar 7 with 1267 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:59 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
Moreover, how much loans have you lot taken in the last few years? About 50 million to someone isn’t it? I don’t think those 12,000 crowds quite cover the wages do they? |
500 million, surely. But they made it all equity so we alright. |  |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 18:28 - Mar 7 with 1211 views | Catullus |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:59 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
Moreover, how much loans have you lot taken in the last few years? About 50 million to someone isn’t it? I don’t think those 12,000 crowds quite cover the wages do they? |
Have I touched a nerve? We apparently don't owe anywhere near that number but I'll wait for the accounts. Besides, we aren't the ones up in court for not paying our bills, this time.
Sorry to tell you this, I'm sure you know, there won't be any insurance pay out for Sala as he was on an unlicensed flight and your club have been saying they knew nothing about it. Possibly they hadn't taken any insurance at all because you know, you like to claim he wasn't your player.
The other 2 cases, I guess anything is possible, Hammam is a dope but I suspect he has decent lawyers and wouldn't go to court unless he has a chance. Share value can go up as well as down. Again, we'll see. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 18:42 - Mar 7 with 1197 views | felixstowe_jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 14:59 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
Moreover, how much loans have you lot taken in the last few years? About 50 million to someone isn’t it? I don’t think those 12,000 crowds quite cover the wages do they? |
Swansea City is debt free.
Championship average attendances 2021-22
Cardiff 17,120
Swansea 17,086.
Our capital which twice our population can only attract 34 more people per game.
Given that Cardiff is 45 miles nearer for visiting fans it likely that the extra 34 and possibly a few more are away fans. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:50 - Mar 7 with 1156 views | union_jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 18:42 - Mar 7 by felixstowe_jack |
Swansea City is debt free.
Championship average attendances 2021-22
Cardiff 17,120
Swansea 17,086.
Our capital which twice our population can only attract 34 more people per game.
Given that Cardiff is 45 miles nearer for visiting fans it likely that the extra 34 and possibly a few more are away fans. |
It never looks anything like that on TV. I think they count season tickets whether they go or not. Most of ours do! |  |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:52 - Mar 7 with 1152 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:50 - Mar 7 by union_jack |
It never looks anything like that on TV. I think they count season tickets whether they go or not. Most of ours do! |
We’ve always known who is best.
It isn’t 1970 any more. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 20:12 - Mar 7 with 1122 views | Boundy |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:52 - Mar 7 by KeithHaynes |
We’ve always known who is best.
It isn’t 1970 any more. |
You'll have a hard job convincing the netahdethal element to the east of us | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 20:15 - Mar 7 with 1120 views | bennytheblue |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:52 - Mar 7 by KeithHaynes |
We’ve always known who is best.
It isn’t 1970 any more. |
We have, no contest…. | | | |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 20:18 - Mar 7 with 1117 views | Dr_Winston |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:50 - Mar 7 by union_jack |
It never looks anything like that on TV. I think they count season tickets whether they go or not. Most of ours do! |
They do, as a ticket has essentially been sold for the game whether the holder turns up or not. There's always an "official" attendance and an actual attendance for Health & Safety purposes. |  |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 20:33 - Mar 7 with 1103 views | felixstowe_jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:50 - Mar 7 by union_jack |
It never looks anything like that on TV. I think they count season tickets whether they go or not. Most of ours do! |
This season during covoid I would say around 500 to 1000 season tickets stay away at the moment though for the last few Swansea games less empty seats.
Earlier in the season Cardiff Gates suffered badly during the final MM games. Even according to Cardiff fans there were less than 10,000 in the ground with huge empty spaces in all parts of the ground while Cardiff published the usually 17,000 crowd. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 20:38 - Mar 7 with 1088 views | KeithHaynes |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 20:33 - Mar 7 by felixstowe_jack |
This season during covoid I would say around 500 to 1000 season tickets stay away at the moment though for the last few Swansea games less empty seats.
Earlier in the season Cardiff Gates suffered badly during the final MM games. Even according to Cardiff fans there were less than 10,000 in the ground with huge empty spaces in all parts of the ground while Cardiff published the usually 17,000 crowd. |
Their early cup games were embarrassing. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 21:02 - Mar 7 with 1052 views | 73__73 |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 12:14 - Mar 7 by bennytheblue |
Another is Tans son who is becoming increasingly more involved and has close connections to another young Chinese billionaire who might well be getting more involved as Tan looks to pass the club on to the younger generation. |
 shows just how deluded you lot are up at legoland.
In the footballing world Cardiff ain’t known by any one. Pi$$ pot of a club. | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 00:32 - Mar 8 with 987 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 19:50 - Mar 7 by union_jack |
It never looks anything like that on TV. I think they count season tickets whether they go or not. Most of ours do! |
They count the corner flags, goalposts, home and away sides and catering staff in their figures | |
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| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 07:06 - Mar 8 with 960 views | felixstowe_jack |
| WOL reporting on trouble down east on 00:32 - Mar 8 by Brynmill_Jack |
They count the corner flags, goalposts, home and away sides and catering staff in their figures |
They also multiple the crowd by arse of the concourse. | |
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