| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread 11:22 - Mar 1 with 36630 views | Dorse |
It was 1874 and Zebediah Ivanhoe Scrimshaw was reeling after being laid off from Bickerthwaites Clog Factory after 10 years service.
'Unemployed. On t'scrag 'eap at the age o' 17' he sighed to Hector his faithful whippet as he trudged wearily down roads that would later be copyrighted by Hovis.* Even putting another ferret down his trousers couldn't lift his gloom. It helped but only briefly. It were no good. He'd heard that a young man of action could make his fortune down int' that there London - mebbe there'd be a place for a lad such as him, a hearty cherub of a lad with only a hint of tuberculosis, a squint and an orthapaedic clog. He packed his bag, said goodbye to his 19 siblings and got onto the first train South...
Today, visitors from Barnsley are equally as dazzled by the sights, sounds and smells of that there London. The running water. The electricity. The complete lack of incesant brass band music. It all adds up to a heady assault on the senses. And yet, the hopes and dreams of Zebediah Ivanhoe Scrimshaw are still very much evident in the coal-streaked faces of the Barnsley team that come looking for fame, glory or a chip and gravy barm cake. As manager Valerian Ismael says 'It'd be easer for a Grimethorpe pigeon fancier t' gerrint Belper whippet racin' club'house than t' gerra win theer'.
2-0 Rangers.
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:06 - Mar 3 with 2106 views | 1MoreBrightonR |
I'm with Clive on this. I thought Barnsley were hugely impressive. The tactics were fairly basic but they weren't boring by any means and although I'm gutted we lost, that was easily one of the more entertaining games of the season involving us.
I'm sure we would all love to have a team that pleased the tactical purists and passed it around nicely etc, but I wouldn't be complaining if my team was winning games playing at that speed and harassing and pressing the opponents the way they did. It's like half the board have suddenly become football purists after watching seasons of crap championship teams. |  | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:11 - Mar 3 with 2098 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 22:10 - Mar 3 by stowmarketrange |
They only turned it around in the last 6 games,which they’ve won.A couple of those wins turned into draws or losses and they’d be roughly where we are now.
They’re on a good run of form,but that can soon change.Look at us for example. |
Well played Barnsley. They deserved their win and they are a handful for anyone at the moment.
But let's not get carried away by this purple patch of their's. They didn't create better chances than us, just took advantage of them on the day. Clearly playing against us suits them but that's the division. They'll also find teams they struggle against. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:25 - Mar 3 with 2034 views | Northernr |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:11 - Mar 3 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Well played Barnsley. They deserved their win and they are a handful for anyone at the moment.
But let's not get carried away by this purple patch of their's. They didn't create better chances than us, just took advantage of them on the day. Clearly playing against us suits them but that's the division. They'll also find teams they struggle against. |
They didn’t win a game at all until round eight. They’ve since won 16 of 26 league games over four and a half months. That’s quite the “purple patch”. We win three games in a week and there’s cum all over the floor. |  | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:40 - Mar 3 with 1995 views | kensalriser |
You can't really lose 1-3 at home and accuse the opposition of playing bad football. If you want to play a certain way you need to impose that way on the game and we couldn't do it. Barnsley played better football - and if we'd scored a goal like that free kick people would be pledging their daughters to the player. Come to think of it, when was the last time we scored like that from a dead ball? |  |
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:53 - Mar 3 with 1965 views | GravyChips |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:40 - Mar 3 by kensalriser |
You can't really lose 1-3 at home and accuse the opposition of playing bad football. If you want to play a certain way you need to impose that way on the game and we couldn't do it. Barnsley played better football - and if we'd scored a goal like that free kick people would be pledging their daughters to the player. Come to think of it, when was the last time we scored like that from a dead ball? |
Barnsley fan here, it’s interesting and a bit bemusing to see some people berate our style of play and say they wouldn’t want to watch it on the regular.
We absolutely love it. 100mph games, full effort given - nobody goes missing, and teams look terrified of us at the moment. We played Chelsea in the cup recently; most Prem sides park the bus against the big 6 - we pressed them even higher than we did today and were the better side that day as we have been for most games recently (only lost that one to a dubious offside goal).
Our supporters are in dreamland.
Couple of points:
1. Re. Finance, we do indeed have one of the lowest budgets in the division. Our owners play it sensible and don’t invest their own money. All the money we spend is money we’ve made through primarily transfers. We buy young, hungry players from the Conference or foreign lower leagues for 200k, stick them on a 4 year contract then sell them before their last year for £3-5m. We have one of the best scouting systems in the division. There are rare exceptions to ‘the plan’, like getting Dike in on loan and keeping Mowatt this season and probably losing him for nowt in the summer, but on the whole we stick to our proven system.
2. Re. Dike, your commentators got that one wrong. There was a rumour the buyout clause was $20m, but our CEO came out and said it was tosh, with the clause being “around what we normally pay”. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 00:15 - Mar 4 with 1905 views | Stanisgod |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:53 - Mar 3 by GravyChips |
Barnsley fan here, it’s interesting and a bit bemusing to see some people berate our style of play and say they wouldn’t want to watch it on the regular.
We absolutely love it. 100mph games, full effort given - nobody goes missing, and teams look terrified of us at the moment. We played Chelsea in the cup recently; most Prem sides park the bus against the big 6 - we pressed them even higher than we did today and were the better side that day as we have been for most games recently (only lost that one to a dubious offside goal).
Our supporters are in dreamland.
Couple of points:
1. Re. Finance, we do indeed have one of the lowest budgets in the division. Our owners play it sensible and don’t invest their own money. All the money we spend is money we’ve made through primarily transfers. We buy young, hungry players from the Conference or foreign lower leagues for 200k, stick them on a 4 year contract then sell them before their last year for £3-5m. We have one of the best scouting systems in the division. There are rare exceptions to ‘the plan’, like getting Dike in on loan and keeping Mowatt this season and probably losing him for nowt in the summer, but on the whole we stick to our proven system.
2. Re. Dike, your commentators got that one wrong. There was a rumour the buyout clause was $20m, but our CEO came out and said it was tosh, with the clause being “around what we normally pay”. |
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 02:02 - Mar 4 with 1822 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:25 - Mar 3 by Northernr |
They didn’t win a game at all until round eight. They’ve since won 16 of 26 league games over four and a half months. That’s quite the “purple patch”. We win three games in a week and there’s cum all over the floor. |
That change in fortune coincided with the new manager coming in and started with a win against QPR. Valerien Ismael has done an incredible job there. Where the blazes did they find him? |  | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 07:44 - Mar 4 with 1682 views | dutch |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 22:22 - Mar 3 by Northernr |
Same. That was absolutely not a lump it and hope performance, and some of the comments to that effect come across a bit sour to be honest. |
Of course I am sour. I've just watched Rangers lose, hopelessly, to a form of football which would be booed off on Paddington Rec. I'm no purist, don't much enjoy Swanselona tica taca, but do believe this is a game of pass to your own team, control the ball, play on the ground, create something worth watching. We aint going nowher,e so football has to be enjoyable, that cavemen on speed display was intolerable and if that is the future for championship teams on modest budgets, I'll go and watch the traffic on the Westway which might have some form of aesthetic flow. | | | |
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:01 - Mar 4 with 1634 views | SK_hoops |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 07:44 - Mar 4 by dutch |
Of course I am sour. I've just watched Rangers lose, hopelessly, to a form of football which would be booed off on Paddington Rec. I'm no purist, don't much enjoy Swanselona tica taca, but do believe this is a game of pass to your own team, control the ball, play on the ground, create something worth watching. We aint going nowher,e so football has to be enjoyable, that cavemen on speed display was intolerable and if that is the future for championship teams on modest budgets, I'll go and watch the traffic on the Westway which might have some form of aesthetic flow. |
I would happily watch that every week if it got us into the top 6.
At least it was something new. A lot of the championship games feel like you're watching the same match over and over again, can't remember the last time I saw a game that frantic. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:08 - Mar 4 with 1621 views | dutch |
When did frantic equal good? | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:23 - Mar 4 with 1579 views | FredManRave |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:08 - Mar 4 by dutch |
When did frantic equal good? |
You've obviously never had frantic sex then.
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:32 - Mar 4 with 1551 views | paulparker |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 22:56 - Mar 3 by Match82 |
We're probably doing about as expected this year based on our budget, maybe even outperforming it.
I'm guessing, but of the 10 teams on or lower than our points total, probably only Rotherham and Wycombe have a significantly lower budget. |
We are only outperforming as you say it because of the 2 loan players we bought in , otherwise we would in the bottom three or just above
There’s teams year in and year out with smaller budgets than us who always seem to be better and they always seem to get it right with players, managers, scouting, etc
This year Barnsley & Luton , previous years Preston , Millwall , Huddersfield, sheff Utd , Brentford are now miles in front of us
We had money this year for the first time in a long time and bar Dickie , possibly Willock we haven’t invested very well at all, Clive makes a valid point in asking how these teams can do it but we can’t |  |
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:34 - Mar 4 with 1556 views | dutch |
I think yesterday's game actually poses some big questions for football in general. Given that we support a club, who because of the way the game has evolved can only ever be also-rans, what is it all for? It's entertainment, nothing else, and a game where the majority of passes go to the opposition, where all play is compressed into a tiny strip of the pitch, where extended bouts of head ping pong dominate, where being able to run at 100 mph is the main attribute, where time wasting is blatant and rush goalies are the stars, then for me it is not entertaining, so what is the point? | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:39 - Mar 4 with 1541 views | stevec |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:53 - Mar 3 by GravyChips |
Barnsley fan here, it’s interesting and a bit bemusing to see some people berate our style of play and say they wouldn’t want to watch it on the regular.
We absolutely love it. 100mph games, full effort given - nobody goes missing, and teams look terrified of us at the moment. We played Chelsea in the cup recently; most Prem sides park the bus against the big 6 - we pressed them even higher than we did today and were the better side that day as we have been for most games recently (only lost that one to a dubious offside goal).
Our supporters are in dreamland.
Couple of points:
1. Re. Finance, we do indeed have one of the lowest budgets in the division. Our owners play it sensible and don’t invest their own money. All the money we spend is money we’ve made through primarily transfers. We buy young, hungry players from the Conference or foreign lower leagues for 200k, stick them on a 4 year contract then sell them before their last year for £3-5m. We have one of the best scouting systems in the division. There are rare exceptions to ‘the plan’, like getting Dike in on loan and keeping Mowatt this season and probably losing him for nowt in the summer, but on the whole we stick to our proven system.
2. Re. Dike, your commentators got that one wrong. There was a rumour the buyout clause was $20m, but our CEO came out and said it was tosh, with the clause being “around what we normally pay”. |
Barnsley were excellent mate, no delusions of grandeur, just finding their own way to compete on a low budget. Can’t see anything wrong with that.
Not sure why some of ours think they can look down their nose from the lofty perch of 17th place. |  | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:43 - Mar 4 with 1515 views | dutch |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:39 - Mar 4 by stevec |
Barnsley were excellent mate, no delusions of grandeur, just finding their own way to compete on a low budget. Can’t see anything wrong with that.
Not sure why some of ours think they can look down their nose from the lofty perch of 17th place. |
Barnsley were excellent at what they do, but what they do is horrible, an abomination. We were simply useless, not looking down my nose, just despairing at what the game has become. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:49 - Mar 4 with 1496 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 08:34 - Mar 4 by dutch |
I think yesterday's game actually poses some big questions for football in general. Given that we support a club, who because of the way the game has evolved can only ever be also-rans, what is it all for? It's entertainment, nothing else, and a game where the majority of passes go to the opposition, where all play is compressed into a tiny strip of the pitch, where extended bouts of head ping pong dominate, where being able to run at 100 mph is the main attribute, where time wasting is blatant and rush goalies are the stars, then for me it is not entertaining, so what is the point? |
I think there's a four things here.
First, congrats to GravyChips. Well deserved win, and best of luck to you.
Second, Barnsley were excellent at executing their game plan and their chosen style.
Third, is that chosen style to our individual likings? On this I'm closer to dutch's way of thinking. In our half, they played some lovely pass and move. But their long ball game from the back to front was hard to watch. I didn't fancy it, and would not like to watch us play like that every game. That's not a dig - it's just not my preferred style of football.
Fourth, being honest - I didn't fancy our style of play either. I have to watch the game again to see how and why we ended up playing like that. |  |
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 09:34 - Mar 4 with 1410 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:25 - Mar 3 by Northernr |
They didn’t win a game at all until round eight. They’ve since won 16 of 26 league games over four and a half months. That’s quite the “purple patch”. We win three games in a week and there’s cum all over the floor. |
True. They play a style which is very successful now but teams will adapt to them, find the weaknesses and exploit them. It's just taking longer with everyone playing every three days. The goalkeeper for instance takes crazy risks to back up their high line. That will implode at some point like Allisons piddling about with the ball did at Liverpool.
I didn't think we were playing that well in our 6 out of 7 run. Taking more of the chances with Charlie, yes. The defence obviously improved, particularly against set pieces (ironic after last night). Blocking better. Dieng excellent. The rest of the team much of a muchness.
As far as Barnsley's style is concerned I enjoyed it. There again I have never much appreciated passing the football on the ground for passings sake. Never understood why that's called good football. There are lots of different types of good football. Barnsley have one imho. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 09:37 - Mar 4 with 1398 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:25 - Mar 3 by Northernr |
They didn’t win a game at all until round eight. They’ve since won 16 of 26 league games over four and a half months. That’s quite the “purple patch”. We win three games in a week and there’s cum all over the floor. |
Including in your reports to be fair Clive.
Let he who is without sin etc
Let's face it we all enjoyed the 5 wins from 6 especially given the opposition. Having not won in 9 or ten before that a lot of it was probably relief as well. |  | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 10:17 - Mar 4 with 1359 views | Northernr |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 09:37 - Mar 4 by CroydonCaptJack |
Including in your reports to be fair Clive.
Let he who is without sin etc
Let's face it we all enjoyed the 5 wins from 6 especially given the opposition. Having not won in 9 or ten before that a lot of it was probably relief as well. |
Absolutely. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 10:25 - Mar 4 with 1342 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Despite creating chances I did feel we were well beaten last night. We have been competitive in most games this season with the exception of 4 or 5 and that was one of them.
It wasn't necessarily pretty but they were effective and industrious and quite impressive I thought. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 10:42 - Mar 4 with 1301 views | Myke |
The winning run we had lifted us clear of relegation, no more than that. Any talk of play-off places was ludicrous, the last three games have highlighted that. We are pretty much where I expected us to be after the last 5 games, albeit the sequence of results were different. We still need to post another 4 wins to be safe. Once we achieve that, we can start planning for next season, whether that is dropping the loanees and playing our own players, or signing the loanees that we want, permanently. We have seen enough of Austin and Johansen to know how much they improve us, but obviously wages are the main stumbling block. Jury still out on Field. Despite becoming an automatic cult hero by scoring against Brentford, he hasn't overly impressed me. And as for De wijs.....
Lets hope we get to 52 as quickly as possible so we can start planning ahead | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 10:56 - Mar 4 with 1264 views | derbyhoop |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 23:53 - Mar 3 by GravyChips |
Barnsley fan here, it’s interesting and a bit bemusing to see some people berate our style of play and say they wouldn’t want to watch it on the regular.
We absolutely love it. 100mph games, full effort given - nobody goes missing, and teams look terrified of us at the moment. We played Chelsea in the cup recently; most Prem sides park the bus against the big 6 - we pressed them even higher than we did today and were the better side that day as we have been for most games recently (only lost that one to a dubious offside goal).
Our supporters are in dreamland.
Couple of points:
1. Re. Finance, we do indeed have one of the lowest budgets in the division. Our owners play it sensible and don’t invest their own money. All the money we spend is money we’ve made through primarily transfers. We buy young, hungry players from the Conference or foreign lower leagues for 200k, stick them on a 4 year contract then sell them before their last year for £3-5m. We have one of the best scouting systems in the division. There are rare exceptions to ‘the plan’, like getting Dike in on loan and keeping Mowatt this season and probably losing him for nowt in the summer, but on the whole we stick to our proven system.
2. Re. Dike, your commentators got that one wrong. There was a rumour the buyout clause was $20m, but our CEO came out and said it was tosh, with the clause being “around what we normally pay”. |
No complaints about the result. Barnsley's the better team on the night. They played with a higher tempo than us, won most of the aerial duels, pressed our team into unfamiliar tactics and took the chances.
It was a bit harum-scarum but both sides contributed to that. We like to get the ball down and pass it. We weren't allowed to do that.
Even with a well defined, low budget model I'm sure Barnsley fans struggle to believe how far they've come. But on last night's evidence the league position doesnt flatter them.
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| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 12:00 - Mar 4 with 1207 views | Northernr |
Any thoughts on the QPR Star Man?
Struggling. Mostly 5s and 6s. | | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 12:04 - Mar 4 with 1204 views | BucksRanger |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 02:02 - Mar 4 by Benny_the_Ball |
That change in fortune coincided with the new manager coming in and started with a win against QPR. Valerien Ismael has done an incredible job there. Where the blazes did they find him? |
Linzer Athletik-Sport-Klub.
For the 2019—20 Austrian Football Bundesliga Ismaël was succeeding Oliver Glasner as the new head coach and sporting director of Austrian team LASK. In the first few months of his tenure, he led the team to the best start in the club's history (17 points from 8 games). He also led LASK to a first ever appearance in the UEFA Champions League play-offs. After beating favourites FC Basel the team fell short against Club Brugge. In LASK's first ever appearance in the UEFA Europa League the team won the group with Sporting Lisbon, PSV Eindhoven, and Rosenborg Trondheim. After beating AZ Alkmaar in the round of 32, LASK lost against Manchester United. After the Corona induced pause, LASK trained a couple of days too early with full body contact. It was heavily criticised by other clubs, and the media. The team did not play well any more, and 4 points were deducted for breaching the Corona rules, which let them end on fourth position in the league. LASK parted ways with Ismaël on 11 July 2020, as Dominik Thalhammer became available who succeeded him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9rien_Isma%C3%ABl |  | | |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 12:16 - Mar 4 with 1192 views | TacticalR |
| The Really Early 'FredManRave Made Me Do It' Barnstoneworth United Match Thread on 12:04 - Mar 4 by BucksRanger |
Linzer Athletik-Sport-Klub.
For the 2019—20 Austrian Football Bundesliga Ismaël was succeeding Oliver Glasner as the new head coach and sporting director of Austrian team LASK. In the first few months of his tenure, he led the team to the best start in the club's history (17 points from 8 games). He also led LASK to a first ever appearance in the UEFA Champions League play-offs. After beating favourites FC Basel the team fell short against Club Brugge. In LASK's first ever appearance in the UEFA Europa League the team won the group with Sporting Lisbon, PSV Eindhoven, and Rosenborg Trondheim. After beating AZ Alkmaar in the round of 32, LASK lost against Manchester United. After the Corona induced pause, LASK trained a couple of days too early with full body contact. It was heavily criticised by other clubs, and the media. The team did not play well any more, and 4 points were deducted for breaching the Corona rules, which let them end on fourth position in the league. LASK parted ways with Ismaël on 11 July 2020, as Dominik Thalhammer became available who succeeded him.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val%C3%A9rien_Isma%C3%ABl |
According to that Wiki article he's an Alsatian. |  |
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