| BBC's obvious bias... on 20:50 - Sep 15 with 1205 views | majorraglan |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 11:16 - Sep 15 by Catullus |
At various times the BBC has been accused of being left wing, right wing and everywhere in between. Maybe that shows it's actually not biased, maybe it just has poor journalists who can't present a story without spinning it to their political favour?
The Beeb is vastly more impartial than most mainstream media. |
There’s plenty that will disagree with you, but I think there’s a lot of substance to this. Have an up arrow. |  | |  |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 20:53 - Sep 15 with 1203 views | majorraglan |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 12:23 - Sep 15 by Humpty |
Personally I doubt very many news organizations worldwide wide put more effort into being impartial more than the BBC. Watch an American news channel for contrast.
For those who think the BBC is biased to the left, who would you describe as a genuinely unbiased news organization? |
Surprise surprise, no responses in over 8 hours. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 21:33 - Sep 15 with 1178 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 12:23 - Sep 15 by Humpty |
Personally I doubt very many news organizations worldwide wide put more effort into being impartial more than the BBC. Watch an American news channel for contrast.
For those who think the BBC is biased to the left, who would you describe as a genuinely unbiased news organization? |
Really.
So after covering the BLM story all summer, all of the protests, all of the police shootings etc.
...you would say they are putting the most effort they can into being impartial by not covering protests held by BLM re: a police shooting where police officer was being attacked with a big knife by a man who had a history of stabbing people...people take to the streets to protest this bit of "police brutality" and it gets rowdy enough for the police to feel the need to use tear gas on the crowd...
...and the BBC does not cover the story AT ALL.
That's their best is it?
Re: your question.
Most news organizations are private companies.
The BBC is publicly funded and is supposed to represent all of us. They have a responsibility to the British public to be unbiased, the requirement to be impartial is in their charter.
They don't get to take our money, whether we wish to consume their media or not, and judge themselves by the same standards as private companies do they?
....so your question is a bit sh*t really isn't it. |  |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 21:38 - Sep 15 with 1174 views | FieryJack |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 20:02 - Sep 15 by Highjack |
Definitely. Some of my favourites are ethnic minority women. Liz Bonnin for example is so warm and friendly and likeable and very knowledgeable on her nature shows. I'm a little bit in love with her to be honest, not in a John Hinkley sort of way but I do think she's fantastic and absolutely the best person for the job who thoroughly deserves to present any show she's given and will always do a brilliant job.
What is wrong however is sacking people who are doing good jobs specifically to replace them for the sole reason of the colour of their skin, or their age, or because they don't have a gay person in there, or there's not enough people with vaginas on the show. |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 21:40 - Sep 15 with 1164 views | FieryJack |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 20:53 - Sep 15 by majorraglan |
Surprise surprise, no responses in over 8 hours. |
😆 was just thinking the same. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 21:57 - Sep 15 with 1141 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 21:33 - Sep 15 by Kerouac |
Really.
So after covering the BLM story all summer, all of the protests, all of the police shootings etc.
...you would say they are putting the most effort they can into being impartial by not covering protests held by BLM re: a police shooting where police officer was being attacked with a big knife by a man who had a history of stabbing people...people take to the streets to protest this bit of "police brutality" and it gets rowdy enough for the police to feel the need to use tear gas on the crowd...
...and the BBC does not cover the story AT ALL.
That's their best is it?
Re: your question.
Most news organizations are private companies.
The BBC is publicly funded and is supposed to represent all of us. They have a responsibility to the British public to be unbiased, the requirement to be impartial is in their charter.
They don't get to take our money, whether we wish to consume their media or not, and judge themselves by the same standards as private companies do they?
....so your question is a bit sh*t really isn't it. |
Well you can't please all the people all the time. I could go a whole list of cliches here! Lets face it, even if we assume (for arguments sake) that the BBC is completely impartial it will still be accused of bias, unless it runs two stories back to back on the same subject proferring opposing sides of the story. Soooo, a story telling how great Bojo is and then one telling us he's a complete A hole.
At the end of it all people will have and are entitled to their opinions and I still feel the Beeb is more impartial than plenty of other outlets. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:03 - Sep 15 with 1139 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 21:57 - Sep 15 by Catullus |
Well you can't please all the people all the time. I could go a whole list of cliches here! Lets face it, even if we assume (for arguments sake) that the BBC is completely impartial it will still be accused of bias, unless it runs two stories back to back on the same subject proferring opposing sides of the story. Soooo, a story telling how great Bojo is and then one telling us he's a complete A hole.
At the end of it all people will have and are entitled to their opinions and I still feel the Beeb is more impartial than plenty of other outlets. |
If that is the case Cat why has a new Director General been appointed with the brief of sorting out the BBC's apparent bias.
He has made some very public statements about it. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:25 - Sep 15 with 1127 views | majorraglan |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:03 - Sep 15 by Kerouac |
If that is the case Cat why has a new Director General been appointed with the brief of sorting out the BBC's apparent bias.
He has made some very public statements about it. |
Because the current shower in government probably don’t like being subjected to scrutiny and have given him a brief.
I am not left and not right, there are good and bad on both sides and I see things on both sides that I like and dislike. What I do believe in is honesty and integrity, these are not negotiable. I want to see good quality investigative journalism looking under the rocks and holding people to account. If we don’t have that and we have a subservient media, then we are on the road to a bad place. | | | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:29 - Sep 15 with 1122 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:03 - Sep 15 by Kerouac |
If that is the case Cat why has a new Director General been appointed with the brief of sorting out the BBC's apparent bias.
He has made some very public statements about it. |
Read his speech, it seems a bit of a different narrative. He talks about the Beeb being the most trusted news source and abou a recommitment to impartiality,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/speeches/2020/tim-davie-intro-speech
but I'll put this part in anyway,
"So, these are our four priorities. This is where we are going to start:
We will renew our commitment to impartiality
We will focus on unique, high-impact content
We will extract more from online
We will build commercial income
Let’s start with the number one priority: to renew our commitment to impartiality.
Trust in our impartiality is not a nice to have, it is the very essence of who we are. It is the bedrock of why people come to us.
Research carried out by Ipsos Mori shows that over 60% of people in the UK turn to us first as a source of trusted news. The next nearest source gets 8%.
This trust extends across the world. In a recent study we were the most trusted news brand for Americans, ahead of all major US news brands. In the age of fake news, social media campaigns, echo chambers of opinion, and noisy partisan media outlets, this, surely, is our time.
But while we do many things right, I do hear questions about whether due impartiality is deliverable, even desirable, in these more polarised, divergent times. Importantly, it is not simply about left or right. This is more about whether people feel we see the world from their point of view. Our research shows that too many perceive us to be shaped by a particular perspective.
We urgently need to champion and recommit to impartiality. It is deliverable and it is essential. If you work here, nothing should be more exciting than exploring different views, seeking evidence with curiosity and creatively presenting testimony. Making use of our own experiences but not driven by our personal agendas. I wonder if some people worry that impartiality could be a little dull"
It doesn't mention a bias problem. Then there's this,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52938188#:~:text=Tim%20Davie%20for
and this,
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bbc-director-general-tim-davie-licence-fee-
with nothing much about bias. though a lot about it being a tough job. Can you find the link to back up what you say? | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:32 - Sep 15 with 1119 views | Treforys_Jack |
I like the BBC, the license fee is worth it for I Player alone. I can barely watch ITV to be honest, television of the lowest standard. |  | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:56 - Sep 15 with 1110 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:25 - Sep 15 by majorraglan |
Because the current shower in government probably don’t like being subjected to scrutiny and have given him a brief.
I am not left and not right, there are good and bad on both sides and I see things on both sides that I like and dislike. What I do believe in is honesty and integrity, these are not negotiable. I want to see good quality investigative journalism looking under the rocks and holding people to account. If we don’t have that and we have a subservient media, then we are on the road to a bad place. |
We don't have that, for instance the BBC chooses which protest to ignore when BLM obviously gets things very wrong indeed...they can't pretend that they haven't reported this because it is a story that the public has little interest in, an editorial decision, when they have been covering the BLM story and the civil unrest in America all summer.
It is bias and it is there for all to see.
Why did the BBC try to censor lyrics during the BBC proms?
What did the public think about that?
...and why did the BBC back down?
Because they are biased, because they have a political agenda and the public are now fully aware of this and aren't prepared to pay for the frauds for much longer.
The new Director General had better sort it out or they won't be having their charter renewed. [Post edited 15 Sep 2020 23:27]
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:00 - Sep 15 with 1108 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:29 - Sep 15 by Catullus |
Read his speech, it seems a bit of a different narrative. He talks about the Beeb being the most trusted news source and abou a recommitment to impartiality,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/speeches/2020/tim-davie-intro-speech
but I'll put this part in anyway,
"So, these are our four priorities. This is where we are going to start:
We will renew our commitment to impartiality
We will focus on unique, high-impact content
We will extract more from online
We will build commercial income
Let’s start with the number one priority: to renew our commitment to impartiality.
Trust in our impartiality is not a nice to have, it is the very essence of who we are. It is the bedrock of why people come to us.
Research carried out by Ipsos Mori shows that over 60% of people in the UK turn to us first as a source of trusted news. The next nearest source gets 8%.
This trust extends across the world. In a recent study we were the most trusted news brand for Americans, ahead of all major US news brands. In the age of fake news, social media campaigns, echo chambers of opinion, and noisy partisan media outlets, this, surely, is our time.
But while we do many things right, I do hear questions about whether due impartiality is deliverable, even desirable, in these more polarised, divergent times. Importantly, it is not simply about left or right. This is more about whether people feel we see the world from their point of view. Our research shows that too many perceive us to be shaped by a particular perspective.
We urgently need to champion and recommit to impartiality. It is deliverable and it is essential. If you work here, nothing should be more exciting than exploring different views, seeking evidence with curiosity and creatively presenting testimony. Making use of our own experiences but not driven by our personal agendas. I wonder if some people worry that impartiality could be a little dull"
It doesn't mention a bias problem. Then there's this,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-52938188#:~:text=Tim%20Davie%20for
and this,
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bbc-director-general-tim-davie-licence-fee-
with nothing much about bias. though a lot about it being a tough job. Can you find the link to back up what you say? |
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/12572184/new-bbc-boss-blast-campaigners-c | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:01 - Sep 15 with 1107 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 22:56 - Sep 15 by Kerouac |
We don't have that, for instance the BBC chooses which protest to ignore when BLM obviously gets things very wrong indeed...they can't pretend that they haven't reported this because it is a story that the public has little interest in, an editorial decision, when they have been covering the BLM story and the civil unrest in America all summer.
It is bias and it is there for all to see.
Why did the BBC try to censor lyrics during the BBC proms?
What did the public think about that?
...and why did the BBC back down?
Because they are biased, because they have a political agenda and the public are now fully aware of this and aren't prepared to pay for the frauds for much longer.
The new Director General had better sort it out or they won't be having their charter renewed. [Post edited 15 Sep 2020 23:27]
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Rather than bias, wouldn't that be called political correctness? | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:08 - Sep 15 with 1096 views | majorraglan |
The Sun! Bastion of quality journalism - not. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:08 - Sep 15 with 1096 views | Catullus |
That doesn't say Davie thinks there's bias or that his brief is to address bias. Basically it is the Sun twisting his speech to say there's bias.
Read his speech and then compare it to the Sun article and tell me their quotes are in context. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:11 - Sep 15 with 1087 views | majorraglan |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:08 - Sep 15 by Catullus |
That doesn't say Davie thinks there's bias or that his brief is to address bias. Basically it is the Sun twisting his speech to say there's bias.
Read his speech and then compare it to the Sun article and tell me their quotes are in context. |
There’s a surprise, a newspaper spinning and article to put its own perspective on things and potentially further an agenda. | | | |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:12 - Sep 15 with 1085 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:01 - Sep 15 by Catullus |
Rather than bias, wouldn't that be called political correctness? |
What is the difference?
When the BBC produced lots of pro BLM reports were they worried about offending anyone's political sensibilities?
Political correctness is a term that merely describes the agenda of the thought and speech police of the Left.
If 'political correctness' is specifically about a set of universal principles, 'Not giving racists air time' for example, why is it ok for the BLM supporters who are anti-white racists to be given air time and be reported on as if all they seek is "justice".
If the BNP organised a march to protest about the "institutional racism" on display in the Rotherham scandal I wouldn't expect the BBC to report on it with a positive spin.
I would expect the BNP's claims to be scrutinised in fine detail.
Why the double standard? | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:21 - Sep 15 with 1067 views | Dr_Parnassus |
It’s bias by omission.
If the BBC did it’s very best to be impartial then the riots and destruction in America would be labelled as such on the daily including bombs outside police stations, attacks on normal civilians and the effect they are having on normal people. How many times have you seen the side of the story that shows how a family has had its lives destroyed, home burned down and business ravaged?
The BBC are terrified of reporting accurately due to the potential backlash of the left, which must be in their most barmy phase in history. So they become complicit by omission.
I love the fact someone from the left asks a question and gets twitchy when they haven’t had an answer for a few hours.
Have the left answered where the oppression is in 2020 America and why they support BLM yet? Seems like we have been waiting months on the answer to this fundamental question... the irony is delicious. |  |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:25 - Sep 15 with 1058 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:12 - Sep 15 by Kerouac |
What is the difference?
When the BBC produced lots of pro BLM reports were they worried about offending anyone's political sensibilities?
Political correctness is a term that merely describes the agenda of the thought and speech police of the Left.
If 'political correctness' is specifically about a set of universal principles, 'Not giving racists air time' for example, why is it ok for the BLM supporters who are anti-white racists to be given air time and be reported on as if all they seek is "justice".
If the BNP organised a march to protest about the "institutional racism" on display in the Rotherham scandal I wouldn't expect the BBC to report on it with a positive spin.
I would expect the BNP's claims to be scrutinised in fine detail.
Why the double standard? |
Politicl correctness doesn't just come from the left though, or it'd be called left wing correctness.
If anything that comment shows your right wing bias.
You claim the BBC is biased to the left but Corbyn (or at least his supporters) complained about his treatment by the BBC, They said the BBC was anti Labour.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/jeremy-corbyn-bias-ofcom-compl
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2019/07/30/bbc-reveals-large-amount-of-complain
So it comes down to personal opinion, you're entitled to yours but I disagree. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:31 - Sep 15 with 1045 views | Kerouac |
Apart from Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party's anti-semitism, can you point me to one more example of the left complaining about political correctness on the BBC?
If it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other you should be able to find me lots of examples surely? | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:46 - Sep 15 with 1035 views | Kilkennyjack |
Bbc are part of the Tory establishment.
Closing down public information in the middle of a global pandemic.
Bent as feck. |  |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 09:42 - Sep 16 with 971 views | Catullus |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 23:31 - Sep 15 by Kerouac |
Apart from Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party's anti-semitism, can you point me to one more example of the left complaining about political correctness on the BBC?
If it's 6 of one and half a dozen of the other you should be able to find me lots of examples surely? |
Oh come on, you only have to google it. I just did and there complaints about the GE coverage (remember this is about bias rather than PC) there are other complaints and of course, we have the more left of lefties on here (now and previously) telling us the beeb is biased against them.
It might not be 6 of 1 but the beeb is still more impartial than other outlets. I'll start with your link to the Sun, they twisted Davie's words to their own agenda, total bias making him sound like he's calling the beeb out when he did no such thing.
It is your right wing bias that stops you seeing it, just as Kilks left wing bias has him accusing the beeb from the other side of the fence. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 10:56 - Sep 16 with 952 views | Kerouac |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 09:42 - Sep 16 by Catullus |
Oh come on, you only have to google it. I just did and there complaints about the GE coverage (remember this is about bias rather than PC) there are other complaints and of course, we have the more left of lefties on here (now and previously) telling us the beeb is biased against them.
It might not be 6 of 1 but the beeb is still more impartial than other outlets. I'll start with your link to the Sun, they twisted Davie's words to their own agenda, total bias making him sound like he's calling the beeb out when he did no such thing.
It is your right wing bias that stops you seeing it, just as Kilks left wing bias has him accusing the beeb from the other side of the fence. |
I made two points;
i) they choose to report some things and not others, for no apparent reason other than the thing they refuse to report doesn't fit with the previous narrative that was pushed.
ii) they tried to remove lyrics from a song that everyone had been singing for a very long time, that they did this without the public's backing, and had to back down...such was the outrage
You replied;
"Rather than bias, wouldn't that be called political correctness?"
...and I pointed out that such political correctness doesn't seem to apply when it is BLM peddling racism.
You said that the Panorama about Jeremy Corbyn amounted to the BBC being politically correct and upsetting the Left.
I asked you to point to just one more example of this and you couldn't.
Therefore if the BBC has only upset the Left with their coverage of Corbyn associating with and tacitly supporting anti-semites and yet upsets the right on a regular basis...then they are biased towards the Left, as the balance is nowhere near equal.
The BBC needs to be impartial, it NEEDS to be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, they are not like other news outlets and can't be judged by the same standards.
They are supposed to serve us, the British public.
See above for more links to what Davie had to say, I'm sure they are all twisting his words.
I am nothing like Kilks, I started on the left and have changed parties, I have adjusted my opinions to the evidence before me. I managed to comprehend that my own side had got things badly wrong.
I am not biased, which is why some of my favourite journalists lean to the left. All I care about is whether somebody is good, whether they are thorough, whether they allow both sides of the argument to be considered...
e.g. - Emily Maithlis is the worst "journalist" on the BBC. She asks a question and then interrupts and answers herself (her opinions don't matter).
She allows people who agree with her to talk and interrupt other guests and then shuts down the counter.
If she wants to do politics she should put herself up for election and get the hell out of Journalism. | |
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| BBC's obvious bias... on 11:32 - Sep 16 with 938 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| BBC's obvious bias... on 20:53 - Sep 15 by majorraglan |
Surprise surprise, no responses in over 8 hours. |
That is merely a result of how low mass media has sunk. | | | |
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