| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:09 - Apr 6 with 3951 views | kel |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:33 - Apr 6 by roccydaleian |
Maybe you can pencil in a meeting at the next home game Kelvo? |
Shocking pencil reference shoe in tbf. Anyways, I won’t be at the next home game so it has to happen while I’m there so I can see it. |  | |  |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:12 - Apr 6 with 3929 views | kel |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:05 - Apr 6 by kiwidale |
Now theirs a meetup, Kel Sudden lad and Roccy. I'd b tempted to fly over for that if we could get Sweetcorn in. |
I’d happily have that in fairness.
Sudden would just pretend he’s not listened to anything I’ve said, and roccy would just want a picture with me. Sweetcorn gets the backs up of some of the bellends so he’ll do for me anytime. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:41 - Apr 6 with 3808 views | sykeboy |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:01 - Apr 6 by D_Alien |
I very much doubt any lessons have been learnt
I suspect the pattern of away support allocation has been set in stone for now, and although today passed without incident that's more down to the decency of Sunderland support, very prominent in the Reform pre-match too without any hint of trouble
What it might've cost us in income today from the stupidity of the allocation is nothing compared to what it's costing the club in terms of the disrespect shown to Dale fans
The instigator of that disrespect hasn't heard the last of this, by a long chalk |
Spot on , although I doubt Dave’s not bothered given he’s already ousted Dunphy so upsetting long standing supporters will not register |  | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:49 - Apr 6 with 3774 views | D_Alien |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:41 - Apr 6 by sykeboy |
Spot on , although I doubt Dave’s not bothered given he’s already ousted Dunphy so upsetting long standing supporters will not register |
On the other hand, i wouldn't be the least surprised to hear that he takes some degrading pleasure out of upsetting long-standing supporters |  |
| |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:50 - Apr 6 with 3774 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:12 - Apr 6 by kel |
I’d happily have that in fairness.
Sudden would just pretend he’s not listened to anything I’ve said, and roccy would just want a picture with me. Sweetcorn gets the backs up of some of the bellends so he’ll do for me anytime. |
Suddenlad sent me a private message saying he would tell me what happened at the stag do if I met him for a pint. |  | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:55 - Apr 6 with 3736 views | kel |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:50 - Apr 6 by rochdale_ranger |
Suddenlad sent me a private message saying he would tell me what happened at the stag do if I met him for a pint. |
Which will have been done in full confidence you wouldn’t meet him after you’ve stated on here you have no intention of meeting randomers off the internet. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 21:09 - Apr 6 with 3662 views | rochdale_ranger |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:55 - Apr 6 by kel |
Which will have been done in full confidence you wouldn’t meet him after you’ve stated on here you have no intention of meeting randomers off the internet. |
Probably. “What happened at the stag do pal” did have the to power derail literally anything he posted. That’s why he went to the drastic (by his standards) measure of sending me a pm. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 00:32 - Apr 7 with 3393 views | dawlishdale |
It's a shame that Sunderland didn't bring enough fans to fill the normal away allocation; let alone the additional 500 seats that they were given in the home seats. All their supporters that I met and spoke with were absolutely brilliant and there is no blame whatsoever attached to them.
Surely, the OTT arrangements that our club made on their behalf have backfired enormously...... Not just because we overestimated the numbers they may bring, but also because of the inconvenience that our own season ticket holders have suffered because of the buggering about. I have spoken to several fans who have been hugely affected by today, but have chosen to either stay away altogether, or feel very badly treated and will not forget their treatment in a hurry.
We cannot afford to treat our own supporters like this. [Post edited 7 Apr 2019 8:27]
| | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 06:09 - Apr 7 with 3273 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 00:32 - Apr 7 by dawlishdale |
It's a shame that Sunderland didn't bring enough fans to fill the normal away allocation; let alone the additional 500 seats that they were given in the home seats. All their supporters that I met and spoke with were absolutely brilliant and there is no blame whatsoever attached to them.
Surely, the OTT arrangements that our club made on their behalf have backfired enormously...... Not just because we overestimated the numbers they may bring, but also because of the inconvenience that our own season ticket holders have suffered because of the buggering about. I have spoken to several fans who have been hugely affected by today, but have chosen to either stay away altogether, or feel very badly treated and will not forget their treatment in a hurry.
We cannot afford to treat our own supporters like this. [Post edited 7 Apr 2019 8:27]
|
The reaction does feel overly dramatic from some quarters and the impression I get is that it goes deeper than just this issue for some people and borders on a personal vendetta against individuals at the club.
Whilst frustrating it would be reasonable to expect a team the size of Sunderland and the situation they're in to bring a sizeable away support and the club will have taken advice from Sunderland also in this respect.
Wembley and the rearranged Accrington game will have done no favours and people of course could point to the Willbutts not being sold out first. Imagine the furore if they'd sold that out and at really late notice, the same people were displaced?
From my perspective the club acted on reasonable expectation of a large away support and tried to accommodate it. The flip side of this exercise is that it's a good test for just using that stand for smaller away support next season and saving money opening the Willbutts.
Feels like a mountain has been made of a mole hill. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 08:12 - Apr 7 with 3167 views | smaclad1 |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 06:09 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
The reaction does feel overly dramatic from some quarters and the impression I get is that it goes deeper than just this issue for some people and borders on a personal vendetta against individuals at the club.
Whilst frustrating it would be reasonable to expect a team the size of Sunderland and the situation they're in to bring a sizeable away support and the club will have taken advice from Sunderland also in this respect.
Wembley and the rearranged Accrington game will have done no favours and people of course could point to the Willbutts not being sold out first. Imagine the furore if they'd sold that out and at really late notice, the same people were displaced?
From my perspective the club acted on reasonable expectation of a large away support and tried to accommodate it. The flip side of this exercise is that it's a good test for just using that stand for smaller away support next season and saving money opening the Willbutts.
Feels like a mountain has been made of a mole hill. |
Agreed.
Rumour and speculation have swirled since Chris Dunphy's departure which has seen the elevation of a person who was already regarded with suspicion in several quarters to the position of Chief Executive. I'm on record with my reservations about DB and to be honest I've not seen anything to counter that view. The Club does need to look at new approaches to generate income, possibly involving approaches that might be unpopular in some circles, but the way it has gone about it in the past 12 months has been cack-handed and done without regard for fans' feelings.
In that regard while the Club 'consult' the Trust, the issue is when they consult the Trust and is it a matter of telling the Trust and calling it consultation? Well done to the hardworking Trust Committee members, but you don't consult after the event and at the request of the supposed consultees.
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2019/04/meeting-with-the-club-season-tickets/ | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 08:29 - Apr 7 with 3128 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 08:12 - Apr 7 by smaclad1 |
Agreed.
Rumour and speculation have swirled since Chris Dunphy's departure which has seen the elevation of a person who was already regarded with suspicion in several quarters to the position of Chief Executive. I'm on record with my reservations about DB and to be honest I've not seen anything to counter that view. The Club does need to look at new approaches to generate income, possibly involving approaches that might be unpopular in some circles, but the way it has gone about it in the past 12 months has been cack-handed and done without regard for fans' feelings.
In that regard while the Club 'consult' the Trust, the issue is when they consult the Trust and is it a matter of telling the Trust and calling it consultation? Well done to the hardworking Trust Committee members, but you don't consult after the event and at the request of the supposed consultees.
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2019/04/meeting-with-the-club-season-tickets/ |
Very reasonable and I'd agree that knowing this fixture was being planned some time ago, consultation with the trust and maybe even more advance notice would have gone some way to placating certain parties.
Hopefully this can now be moved past and we can get on with playing whatever part we can in keeping the club at this level. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 09:46 - Apr 7 with 3015 views | nordenblue |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 06:09 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
The reaction does feel overly dramatic from some quarters and the impression I get is that it goes deeper than just this issue for some people and borders on a personal vendetta against individuals at the club.
Whilst frustrating it would be reasonable to expect a team the size of Sunderland and the situation they're in to bring a sizeable away support and the club will have taken advice from Sunderland also in this respect.
Wembley and the rearranged Accrington game will have done no favours and people of course could point to the Willbutts not being sold out first. Imagine the furore if they'd sold that out and at really late notice, the same people were displaced?
From my perspective the club acted on reasonable expectation of a large away support and tried to accommodate it. The flip side of this exercise is that it's a good test for just using that stand for smaller away support next season and saving money opening the Willbutts.
Feels like a mountain has been made of a mole hill. |
A good reasoned post,but what I would add is even though it may feel like a mountains been made of it to you,if it's upsetting so many fans it needs addressing especially being all season ticket holders,with our tiny loyal following as it is the club would be wise not to piss them off. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 12:47 - Apr 7 with 2823 views | KenBoon |
The team on the pitch and coaching staff were brilliant yesterday, an absolute credit to the shirt and behaved like a League One club. The organisation of this match however was tin pot. We behaved like a non-league team hosting a first round FA cup tie against a former giant. At best it was cringe-worthy and at worst it caused issues with our own support. When we're in such a difficult league position why on earth would you want to hand your opposition any more advantage, yet giving them more tickets - that they inevitably didn't need - did just that. There were season ticket holders, fans and floating fans who didn't come yesterday because it was made so difficult. We had a lower home attendance by giving them some seats behind the goal and the ludicrous restrictions on purchasing tickets. To think that next season the club want to punish people who pay at the turnstile! |  | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:00 - Apr 7 with 2790 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 09:46 - Apr 7 by nordenblue |
A good reasoned post,but what I would add is even though it may feel like a mountains been made of it to you,if it's upsetting so many fans it needs addressing especially being all season ticket holders,with our tiny loyal following as it is the club would be wise not to piss them off. |
Completely agree that we need to be careful of offending our already depleted fan base.
We all know people though that will go searching for offence and will find it with regularity.
I do acknowledge there will be some involved that aren't this way but you do see some that are regulars whenever there is an opportunity to gripe. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:10 - Apr 7 with 2765 views | D_Alien |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:00 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
Completely agree that we need to be careful of offending our already depleted fan base.
We all know people though that will go searching for offence and will find it with regularity.
I do acknowledge there will be some involved that aren't this way but you do see some that are regulars whenever there is an opportunity to gripe. |
I don't suppose it's occurred to you that what you describe as 'griping' is something more akin to perfectly justified distrust of those making decisions that affect Dale fans and the club that we've supported for decades? Distrust based on past record and current form?
If you think that decisions are being taken solely in the interests of Rochdale FC rather than the interests of self-promotion and, without evidence to suggest otherwise, self-appointment to a position of power within the club then say so. Then we'll know you're happy with that
Others aren't, and just for one minute think on - it's not without good reason | |
| |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:59 - Apr 7 with 2664 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:10 - Apr 7 by D_Alien |
I don't suppose it's occurred to you that what you describe as 'griping' is something more akin to perfectly justified distrust of those making decisions that affect Dale fans and the club that we've supported for decades? Distrust based on past record and current form?
If you think that decisions are being taken solely in the interests of Rochdale FC rather than the interests of self-promotion and, without evidence to suggest otherwise, self-appointment to a position of power within the club then say so. Then we'll know you're happy with that
Others aren't, and just for one minute think on - it's not without good reason |
I don't think anyone working in a job doesn't think of their own self promotion in some way so I'm sure that plays a part.
History of said person certainly doesn't paint a good picture, but I know we have a vigilant fanbase here so i would imagine we'd get wind of anything truly sinister at play.
I've not seen anything in his actions so far in his position that people couldn't make a reasoned argument for.
Happy to be shown otherwise though. But from my perspective I find the constant nit picking of decisions on here and other social media tiring.
Again, just my viewpoint and I can appreciate others may have a different one. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 14:22 - Apr 7 with 2608 views | D_Alien |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:59 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
I don't think anyone working in a job doesn't think of their own self promotion in some way so I'm sure that plays a part.
History of said person certainly doesn't paint a good picture, but I know we have a vigilant fanbase here so i would imagine we'd get wind of anything truly sinister at play.
I've not seen anything in his actions so far in his position that people couldn't make a reasoned argument for.
Happy to be shown otherwise though. But from my perspective I find the constant nit picking of decisions on here and other social media tiring.
Again, just my viewpoint and I can appreciate others may have a different one. |
I agree about having to self-promote in any position of significance in employment these days - no-one else is going to believe in you if you don't believe in yourself and have the capability of expressing that
Your point about a vigilant fanbase is also something that can be agreed on. It seems at times that football club owners - or even "owners" - and decision-makers have an assumption that the fanbase is lacking in the skills and life experience they have, when in fact the collective fanbase has within it almost certainly greater accumulated knowledge and abilities. Insofar as running a business or managing a team of skilled people is concerned, there's no shortage of that and vigilance isn't lacking. One of the things that allows people to succeed is the ability to persuade others of their basic honesty, competence and having their best interests at heart. Failing to discuss pertinent issues, to consult with interested parties and to hand down solutions without agreement is the sign of someone lacking in those qualities
Rather than a weekly diatribe that provided absolutely no insight whatsoever into what was actually happening within the club, simple explanations behind decisions that affect fans would suffice. For instance, the decision to have small away followings in the Pearl St end rather than Willbutts to save money. I wouldn't be against that, but very much resent having to change my own Dale-watching without prior explanation, and under the guise of what at first appeared to be a one-off change of use of part of the stand
To some extent, constant carping can be counter-productive, and if that's what your point was intended to highlight, then fair enough. But it's useful to have these discussions on here, not least since there's evidence that they're being watched by the club | |
| |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 14:35 - Apr 7 with 2570 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 14:22 - Apr 7 by D_Alien |
I agree about having to self-promote in any position of significance in employment these days - no-one else is going to believe in you if you don't believe in yourself and have the capability of expressing that
Your point about a vigilant fanbase is also something that can be agreed on. It seems at times that football club owners - or even "owners" - and decision-makers have an assumption that the fanbase is lacking in the skills and life experience they have, when in fact the collective fanbase has within it almost certainly greater accumulated knowledge and abilities. Insofar as running a business or managing a team of skilled people is concerned, there's no shortage of that and vigilance isn't lacking. One of the things that allows people to succeed is the ability to persuade others of their basic honesty, competence and having their best interests at heart. Failing to discuss pertinent issues, to consult with interested parties and to hand down solutions without agreement is the sign of someone lacking in those qualities
Rather than a weekly diatribe that provided absolutely no insight whatsoever into what was actually happening within the club, simple explanations behind decisions that affect fans would suffice. For instance, the decision to have small away followings in the Pearl St end rather than Willbutts to save money. I wouldn't be against that, but very much resent having to change my own Dale-watching without prior explanation, and under the guise of what at first appeared to be a one-off change of use of part of the stand
To some extent, constant carping can be counter-productive, and if that's what your point was intended to highlight, then fair enough. But it's useful to have these discussions on here, not least since there's evidence that they're being watched by the club |
Exactly what you've said.
I'm not against calling things out when it looks obvious that decision hasn't been made with the best intentions for the club in mind.
It's when people seem to pick holes in every decision to further what only appears to be something more personal that it gets my goat. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 15:33 - Apr 7 with 2495 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 14:35 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
Exactly what you've said.
I'm not against calling things out when it looks obvious that decision hasn't been made with the best intentions for the club in mind.
It's when people seem to pick holes in every decision to further what only appears to be something more personal that it gets my goat. |
From my own perspective I approach these decisions from the direction of a concerned supporter of the football club, someone used to the sound stewardship of Messrs Dunphy and Garlick.
I have some comfort in the continued presence of some directors from that era.
I would also add that concerned fans previously looked into the credentials of Jim Fagan and Steve Eyre prior to them exiting the club.
I expected a fook up yesterday, but not one of the magnitude of 1,000 away fans not turning up. That was truly eye watering.
At least the mugs all sold and the misprinted scratch cards went down a treat. |  |
| |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 17:10 - Apr 7 with 2325 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 15:33 - Apr 7 by judd |
From my own perspective I approach these decisions from the direction of a concerned supporter of the football club, someone used to the sound stewardship of Messrs Dunphy and Garlick.
I have some comfort in the continued presence of some directors from that era.
I would also add that concerned fans previously looked into the credentials of Jim Fagan and Steve Eyre prior to them exiting the club.
I expected a fook up yesterday, but not one of the magnitude of 1,000 away fans not turning up. That was truly eye watering.
At least the mugs all sold and the misprinted scratch cards went down a treat. |
The only thing I would agree with is that trust consultation as a fan body and earlier notice would have been expected given season ticket holders were being displaced.
I know how you adore David's diary, but he mentions the early planning for Sunderland in his diary in early Feb.
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2019/february/davidsdiary_090219/
He even mentions the capacity of the away end indicating that it's likely the request for more would have come from Sunderland and not the actions of a rogue chief exec!
That is where the lessons are for the club. Early and honest engagement as possible.
Hardly a fook up from a Dale perspective rather than Sunderland overestimating their own away support! | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 17:20 - Apr 7 with 2299 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 17:10 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
The only thing I would agree with is that trust consultation as a fan body and earlier notice would have been expected given season ticket holders were being displaced.
I know how you adore David's diary, but he mentions the early planning for Sunderland in his diary in early Feb.
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2019/february/davidsdiary_090219/
He even mentions the capacity of the away end indicating that it's likely the request for more would have come from Sunderland and not the actions of a rogue chief exec!
That is where the lessons are for the club. Early and honest engagement as possible.
Hardly a fook up from a Dale perspective rather than Sunderland overestimating their own away support! |
I was told last summer that plans were underway for Sunderland and accommodating additional fans.
It must have been apparent that ticket sales were not going to necessitate giving up part of the home facilities, that is the fook up.
1,000 is a big number.
Totally agree on consultation. I get the impression that having been forced to back down by fans over the gala dinner, though, that is that. I would love to be wrong on this because it will mean the superb Trust approach has been implemented. | |
| |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:59 - Apr 7 with 2158 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 17:20 - Apr 7 by judd |
I was told last summer that plans were underway for Sunderland and accommodating additional fans.
It must have been apparent that ticket sales were not going to necessitate giving up part of the home facilities, that is the fook up.
1,000 is a big number.
Totally agree on consultation. I get the impression that having been forced to back down by fans over the gala dinner, though, that is that. I would love to be wrong on this because it will mean the superb Trust approach has been implemented. |
Whilst I completely take your point on 1,000 being a big number for us I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to suggest that there was potential for that amount of Sunderland fans to decide to pay on the day.
After all from their average home gate it would only mean a small percentage swing and they seem to have been well supported wherever they go this season.
Not making any excuses, just offering possible alternative. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:05 - Apr 7 with 2144 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:59 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
Whilst I completely take your point on 1,000 being a big number for us I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to suggest that there was potential for that amount of Sunderland fans to decide to pay on the day.
After all from their average home gate it would only mean a small percentage swing and they seem to have been well supported wherever they go this season.
Not making any excuses, just offering possible alternative. |
I don't know about you but to me the noises emanating from us was that the away allocation had sold out as well as the 200 dining packages, hence the need to offer up the Pearl Street.
It may seem like being clever with hindsight, but surely the club should have ensured that the initial away allocation was definitely sold out before implementing plan B? | |
| |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:17 - Apr 7 with 2109 views | VivaDonaldo |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:05 - Apr 7 by judd |
I don't know about you but to me the noises emanating from us was that the away allocation had sold out as well as the 200 dining packages, hence the need to offer up the Pearl Street.
It may seem like being clever with hindsight, but surely the club should have ensured that the initial away allocation was definitely sold out before implementing plan B? |
No that is fair enough. But my thinking on this was covered a few posts back. What if that happened and we had to displace supporters late on?
Serious catch 22 situation and either way you risk upsetting home support.
Who'd run a football club? Even Dunphy et al will have come under criticism from certain sections of the support at times! | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:23 - Apr 7 with 2082 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:17 - Apr 7 by VivaDonaldo |
No that is fair enough. But my thinking on this was covered a few posts back. What if that happened and we had to displace supporters late on?
Serious catch 22 situation and either way you risk upsetting home support.
Who'd run a football club? Even Dunphy et al will have come under criticism from certain sections of the support at times! |
I do recall your earlier post and I think my suggestion would have been less annoying, given a reasonable approach to season ticket holders, and not an impersonal letter addressed to "Dear Season Ticket Holder..."
Think of hugely popular bands announcing a tour. Night1 sells venue out, night 2 is then announced and so on...
Dunphy did come in for criticism from fans when he planned to introduce category A,B and C pricing for games....oh... | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
