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Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 18:03 - Feb 4 by Humpty
You liked Winston's pack of lies.
Says it all.
I like lots of posts, I like people who explain why they believe they are correct. I like people who don't post and run. I like differing points of view. You do understand liking is not endorsing everything said?
Does PlanetSwans still have an archive of especially silly threads?
If so, will the mods please move this one there. If not, would you please to start a new archive? And then move this one there to a place of honour.
Some of the posters I most respect have posted on here [I'm sure with "tongue-in-cheek"], but the rest of the thread is "fake news" about "fake news," by people who know about the United States only what they watch on "fake news" television or read in "fake news" rags, formerly loosely called "newspapers."
This thread should be put out of its misery, but it won't be. Sadly.
I will handle it by putting it in my personal "Ignore Forever" file, out of disappointment that what I had started reading as an exercise in British unintended humour appears to have turned into a painfully sad episode.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 20:10 - Feb 4 by Davillin
Does PlanetSwans still have an archive of especially silly threads?
If so, will the mods please move this one there. If not, would you please to start a new archive? And then move this one there to a place of honour.
Some of the posters I most respect have posted on here [I'm sure with "tongue-in-cheek"], but the rest of the thread is "fake news" about "fake news," by people who know about the United States only what they watch on "fake news" television or read in "fake news" rags, formerly loosely called "newspapers."
This thread should be put out of its misery, but it won't be. Sadly.
I will handle it by putting it in my personal "Ignore Forever" file, out of disappointment that what I had started reading as an exercise in British unintended humour appears to have turned into a painfully sad episode.
That video.
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
As much as its fun to bash Newsprint, it really is a shame that newspapers are going this way, and I hope something can be done to vitalize the industry. And it does feel like its in the worst position for this idea of free information.
I for one, am rather keen on well done investigative journalism. And I can't see this type of work being done outside of the privatized quarters. To be a free press it has to operate squarely on its own two feet. And there are so few of them now that even manage that. Sad times.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 20:38 - Feb 4 by phact0rri
As much as its fun to bash Newsprint, it really is a shame that newspapers are going this way, and I hope something can be done to vitalize the industry. And it does feel like its in the worst position for this idea of free information.
I for one, am rather keen on well done investigative journalism. And I can't see this type of work being done outside of the privatized quarters. To be a free press it has to operate squarely on its own two feet. And there are so few of them now that even manage that. Sad times.
As I mentioned right at the start of the thread, op eds and sensationalism has killed serious journalism in its tracks. Being first to print often trumps accuracy.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 20:42 - Feb 4 by swanjackal
As I mentioned right at the start of the thread, op eds and sensationalism has killed serious journalism in its tracks. Being first to print often trumps accuracy.
Not just that, being first with exclusive, sensationalised ( see Mirror / Mason ) content aimed at being "exclusive" kills serious journalism.
Internet has killed printed papers. Internet can obviously react far quicker to events, papers are always reporting upon events from hours before. Sadly, anyone can write anything on the Internet and have it accepted as truth without questioning the veracity of claims made.
So arguably, papers are doing nothing more than trying to out Internet the Internet.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 20:59 - Feb 4 by blueytheblue
Not just that, being first with exclusive, sensationalised ( see Mirror / Mason ) content aimed at being "exclusive" kills serious journalism.
Internet has killed printed papers. Internet can obviously react far quicker to events, papers are always reporting upon events from hours before. Sadly, anyone can write anything on the Internet and have it accepted as truth without questioning the veracity of claims made.
So arguably, papers are doing nothing more than trying to out Internet the Internet.
True, but it started a while before internet became so prominent.
Then again it is possible for internet journalists to be free of any editorial pressures to produce a very thorough well researched balanced piece.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 21:15 - Feb 4 by swanjackal
True, but it started a while before internet became so prominent.
Then again it is possible for internet journalists to be free of any editorial pressures to produce a very thorough well researched balanced piece.
I agree with the both of you on this. I am not sure but it feels like the 24 hour news cycle really transformed Journalism into sensationalism. It was less about informing the public, and more about how tragedy and celebrity can be used to sell more.
I wanted to be a video journalist, my degree is in video/film production. But after spending a year in the field-- I realized how awful that world is these days. But I still like very good covering of topics. These days this is less coming from the news papers. I mean here in the states, Rolling Stone and PLayboy have better indepth coverage and more proper newscatching than the newspapers.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 23:51 - Feb 4 by phact0rri
I agree with the both of you on this. I am not sure but it feels like the 24 hour news cycle really transformed Journalism into sensationalism. It was less about informing the public, and more about how tragedy and celebrity can be used to sell more.
I wanted to be a video journalist, my degree is in video/film production. But after spending a year in the field-- I realized how awful that world is these days. But I still like very good covering of topics. These days this is less coming from the news papers. I mean here in the states, Rolling Stone and PLayboy have better indepth coverage and more proper newscatching than the newspapers.
Yeah but a huge reduction in tits for Playboy is a turn off. :P
Rolling Stone wasn't helped by the "campus rape" debacle they had in it too.
Is The Guardian 'paper' struggling? on 09:47 - Feb 4 by Dr_Winston
Of the nationally published daily newspapers:
Right - Sun, Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times
Left - Mirror, Guardian, Independent, Financial Times, Morning Star
Neutral - Daily Star
If you include the Sunday People and the Observer then most are on the left.
This just gets funnier every time I think about it. Of the five "left" papers listed, one no longer exists, one is the Morning f*cking Star which most people probably think no longer exists and while I've hardly read the FT I can't imagine a paper written for and read by mostly by City types is espousing any kind of actual leftism. And The Star is owned by the same people who own the Express so while I doubt it contains much politics at all I similarly doubt its neutrality.
Definitely the stupidest post on here for some time and when you consider the competition that's quite some achievement. Bravo.
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