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England playing on 11/11/87. No poppies or armbands on shirts, no poppies to be seen on any England fans, no.poppies even on any of the England coaching staff. Not difficult to understand FIFAs decision.
As hosts to Serbia (our allies in the great war) their wishes must also be respected
Is it me or did this Poppy on everything obsession start about the time we sent our armed forces to invade another sovereign nation illegally and without any UN mandate.
I am wearing a poppy and will observe the silence on Sunday, as I did today, in memory of family members and their comrades buried in France and family members and their comrades who fought and came home again, but are no longer with us.
Fuk em and wear them, THIS IS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE AND PRIDE
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What exactly is the principle that you're talking about here. "That we're entitled to disagree with the referee, although we know he's technically correct, because he's being really really mean to us."?
Awful decision by the FAW, anyone with family lost in conflict around the world will be horrified by this. The ability to just fob off such an occasion with token tributes does not bode well.
Fifa are only correct if the poppy is political, which I don't consider it to be. Seriously what harm does it do? As for a points deduction, Argentina made a blarantly political point with their Malvinas banner and they got a £20, 000 fine didn't they? Precedent set!! I wear a poppy to remember the survivors as well as the fallen. Out of respect for my grandfather, who was a Royal Marine who survived Tobruk (the amphibious assault, he was on HMS Zulu) Normandy and El Alamein but who wouldn't talk about the war. He hated what it had done to him, he was a quiet man, not a violent one but during the war he became a ruthless, trained killer. He wanted to forget that part of him. If people don't wear a poppy out of personal conviction that's fine. But I object to FIFA stopping people because they claim the poppy is political. Wars can be started for many reasons besides politics, but remembering those brave people, men, women and even the animals is not political, it's purely out of respect. At least it is for me.
A pragmatic decision in response to completely manufactured outrage. There is no need for sports teams to be wearing poppies and I understand FIFA's stance. The ostentatious display of poppies on sports teams' kits has only become a thing in recent years in line with the rise of poppy fascism and the increasing politicisation of the symbol. This never used to happen until recently.
A wreath before the game, black arm bands and a minute's silence is an entirely respectful and appropriate tribute. That's all any sporting event needs.
I wonder if Wales's rugby players will be sporting the poppy on their shirts tomorrow, given who their opponents are?
A pragmatic decision in response to completely manufactured outrage. There is no need for sports teams to be wearing poppies and I understand FIFA's stance. The ostentatious display of poppies on sports teams' kits has only become a thing in recent years in line with the rise of poppy fascism and the increasing politicisation of the symbol. This never used to happen until recently.
A wreath before the game, black arm bands and a minute's silence is an entirely respectful and appropriate tribute. That's all any sporting event needs.
I wonder if Wales's rugby players will be sporting the poppy on their shirts tomorrow, given who their opponents are?
Other opinions are available.
Beautiful.
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
A pragmatic decision in response to completely manufactured outrage. There is no need for sports teams to be wearing poppies and I understand FIFA's stance. The ostentatious display of poppies on sports teams' kits has only become a thing in recent years in line with the rise of poppy fascism and the increasing politicisation of the symbol. This never used to happen until recently.
A wreath before the game, black arm bands and a minute's silence is an entirely respectful and appropriate tribute. That's all any sporting event needs.
I wonder if Wales's rugby players will be sporting the poppy on their shirts tomorrow, given who their opponents are?
Other opinions are available.
Ah poppy fascism!!
I don't demand that anyone or everyone wears a poppy. But it would be nice if those who might want to do so weren't prevented from doing so by an illogical interpretation of a rule. No one really considers the poppy to be a political statement.
Even if people make an argument for the poppy being political, surely the message to politicians is "no more wars"
I don't demand that anyone or everyone wears a poppy. But it would be nice if those who might want to do so weren't prevented from doing so by an illogical interpretation of a rule. No one really considers the poppy to be a political statement.
Even if people make an argument for the poppy being political, surely the message to politicians is "no more wars"
I understand that most people in the commonwealth don't see the poppy as political.
Yet it could be argued, Theresa May commenting on the subject in the house of commons, makes it political. Certainly in the eyes of a global organization like FIFA
It's certainly not traditional.
It should for an individual to decide, and by having it on a team Jersey, the individual team player then has no choice but to wear it.
I wear a poppy out of choice, but absolutely respect anybody's decision not to, and other countries tradition of not wearing poppies
Fifa are only correct if the poppy is political, which I don't consider it to be. Seriously what harm does it do? As for a points deduction, Argentina made a blarantly political point with their Malvinas banner and they got a £20, 000 fine didn't they? Precedent set!! I wear a poppy to remember the survivors as well as the fallen. Out of respect for my grandfather, who was a Royal Marine who survived Tobruk (the amphibious assault, he was on HMS Zulu) Normandy and El Alamein but who wouldn't talk about the war. He hated what it had done to him, he was a quiet man, not a violent one but during the war he became a ruthless, trained killer. He wanted to forget that part of him. If people don't wear a poppy out of personal conviction that's fine. But I object to FIFA stopping people because they claim the poppy is political. Wars can be started for many reasons besides politics, but remembering those brave people, men, women and even the animals is not political, it's purely out of respect. At least it is for me.
FIFA aren't stopping people from wearing a poppy though. All they're doing is not allowing the teams to promote it on their kit. And it doesn't have any relevance to football or the match, so I've no problem with that rule being applied. That doesn't stop fans, or players in their own time, wearing a poppy or paying their respects however they choose.
Looking forward to the crowd holding up poppies before the game which seems like a fitting tribute. Talk of players wearing poppies is a relatively new thing which I don't recall in the past, but the crowd getting involved is different as I remember individuals wearing poppies back in the day.
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Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
I don't demand that anyone or everyone wears a poppy. But it would be nice if those who might want to do so weren't prevented from doing so by an illogical interpretation of a rule. No one really considers the poppy to be a political statement.
Even if people make an argument for the poppy being political, surely the message to politicians is "no more wars"
Never going to happen when they're (wars) so profitable. Ever.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--forever.
Wales asked FIFA can they wear poppies on their shirt/armband and get turned down ? So Wales will wear black armbands and get the crowd to hold up a poppy mosaic ? England and Scotland did not wear poppies on their shirts but on armbands ? Northern Ireland wore just black armbands ? Rep.Ireland wore a commemoration to the Easter Rising earlier this year on their actual shirt but it was a friendly international ?
Is that the long and short of it all ?
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
Wales asked FIFA can they wear poppies on their shirt/armband and get turned down ? So Wales will wear black armbands and get the crowd to hold up a poppy mosaic ? England and Scotland did not wear poppies on their shirts but on armbands ? Northern Ireland wore just black armbands ? Rep.Ireland wore a commemoration to the Easter Rising earlier this year on their actual shirt but it was a friendly international ?
Is that the long and short of it all ?
Yes. Although I'm furious Wales aren't wearing the poppy and sticking 2 fingers up to FIFA it would have been interesting to have seen what England and Scotland would have done were they not playing eachother but a Serbia or Croatia for example. As I understand it, the poppy only becomes a problem should the opposition object. Clearly neither Scotland or `England weren't going to do that.
I'm not happy that they (or their supporters in reality) want to take the moral high ground.
A pragmatic decision in response to completely manufactured outrage. There is no need for sports teams to be wearing poppies and I understand FIFA's stance. The ostentatious display of poppies on sports teams' kits has only become a thing in recent years in line with the rise of poppy fascism and the increasing politicisation of the symbol. This never used to happen until recently.
A wreath before the game, black arm bands and a minute's silence is an entirely respectful and appropriate tribute. That's all any sporting event needs.
I wonder if Wales's rugby players will be sporting the poppy on their shirts tomorrow, given who their opponents are?
Other opinions are available.
I can confirm the rugby team are wearing poppies, and the Argentines laid a wreath too.
I can confirm the rugby team are wearing poppies, and the Argentines laid a wreath too.
You confirm wrong. Look again. They had poppies on their training tops and there was an excellent and respectful tribute from both teams before the game. Quite right too. But no poppies on shirts, which is exactly what the Welsh FA has been slated for.
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